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DK1
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Rye Berries - Do not make this mistake
#3849654 - 02/28/05 10:45 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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Whatever you do, don't let rye berries soak for more than 2 days. I swear after the fourth day of 20 something jars soaking in water it made my house smell like dirty diapers. So if your gonna soak them for a day and then simmer or pc them or throw them out.
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KaptKid
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Re: Rye Berries - Do not make this mistake [Re: DK1]
#3849665 - 02/28/05 10:48 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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You should not soak for more than 24 hours.No wonder they smell. Better luck next time. GL
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DK1
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Re: Rye Berries - Do not make this mistake [Re: DK1]
#3849666 - 02/28/05 10:49 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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On a side note I dumped them all out in a bucket and tossed them next to the neighbors fence. Their dog was loving that shit, every time i walked out with a bucket full he was standing there wagging his tail and licking the fence. lol
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Re: Rye Berries - Do not make this mistake [Re: DK1]
#3849669 - 02/28/05 10:53 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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so you feed your neighbor's a bacterial frap, nice
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Re: Rye Berries - Do not make this mistake [Re: penlight438094]
#3849672 - 02/28/05 10:54 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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a k9 fucknuckle ?
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Re: Rye Berries - Do not make this mistake [Re: penlight438094]
#3849688 - 02/28/05 11:00 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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penlight438094 said: so you feed your neighbor's a bacterial frap, nice
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Re: Rye Berries - Do not make this mistake [Re: onetime]
#3849696 - 02/28/05 11:02 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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Why soak them at all? I simply boil them for 1/2 hour, strain, add some dried vermiculite or manure to adjust moisture to proper, load in spawn bags, and pressure cook for 3 to 4 hours. Never once have I had contamination and I've done over a dozen huge bags this way. Rye is practically fool proof when done like this.
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Re: Rye Berries - Do not make this mistake [Re: Blue Helix]
#3849705 - 02/28/05 11:05 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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PC for 3-4 hours? seems a little excessive.
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penlight438094
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Re: Rye Berries - Do not make this mistake [Re: Prisoner#1]
#3849711 - 02/28/05 11:07 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: PC for 3-4 hours? seems a little excessive.
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Re: Rye Berries - Do not make this mistake [Re: penlight438094]
#3849733 - 02/28/05 11:16 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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just simmer for a like 2 hrs low heat so aftet an he its just hot and after 1.5 hr is barly bowling then pc
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Re: Rye Berries - Do not make this mistake [Re: Dem_Bones]
#3850311 - 03/01/05 01:35 AM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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i soak my rye until water turns yellow, usually 3 days. no smell. i use bob's red mill orangic rye if youre wondering.
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Re: Rye Berries - Do not make this mistake [Re: gema]
#3851052 - 03/01/05 08:17 AM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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if you soak for 24hrs you only need to pc for an hr this is very helpfull for those that do 12-48 qts at one go when you only have a pc that can fit 14 qts
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Re: Rye Berries - Do not make this mistake [Re: onetime]
#3851144 - 03/01/05 08:59 AM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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A 36 to 48 hour soak is fine. The rye will stink to high heaven, but that's a good thing. It means the bacterial endospores have germinated, so they'll be easily killed by the PC. I always boil for five minutes in the water the grains soaked in to kill the live bacteria before dumping down the sink. I don't want all that live bacteria going into the P-trap below my sink and thriving.
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Re: Rye Berries - Do not make this mistake [Re: onetime]
#3851146 - 03/01/05 09:00 AM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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Agreed with onetime, and it is a neccesity to soak rye berries and barley w/ the hull on.
AFOAF just doesnt get contams normally, but the above grains do harbor a high endospore count, loosing more than half a dozen out of a dozen to bacterial endospores.
Soaking is effective at room temp for 12 hours, imho.
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Re: Rye Berries - Do not make this mistake [Re: DK1]
#3851426 - 03/01/05 10:35 AM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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When you pack up two huge spawn bags full in a huge pressure cooker like what I have, it makes sense. I've tried 1.5 hours and gotten big time bacterial problems, so I just doubled it.
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Anno
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Re: Rye Berries - Do not make this mistake [Re: Blue Helix]
#3851448 - 03/01/05 10:39 AM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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>A 36 to 48 hour soak is fine.
When I soaked rye for loonger than 24 hours, it began to sprout.
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Re: Rye Berries - Do not make this mistake [Re: Anno]
#3851460 - 03/01/05 10:43 AM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think it depends on the freshness of your rye. Rye also sprouts if not FULLY sumberged in water REAL quick. Like 24 hours. I soak all the time for 2 and EVEN 3 days (hard to tell when I have the next day free so I dont always get to it, I do shoot for only 12-24 hours) and as long as the rye stays fully submerged (requires adding more water pretty much always), it hasnt germinated yet. When I have waited 3 days, my contam rate does go up slightly..not to much...I hit 4 days once though (3 day soak, simmer, left sitting in the pan for another day before PCing) and lost half the batch to bacteria.
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Re: Rye Berries - Do not make this mistake [Re: scatmanrav]
#3851467 - 03/01/05 10:44 AM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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after about 8 hours my rye starts sprouting. I think the rye is pretty fresh.
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Re: Rye Berries - Do not make this mistake [Re: derx]
#3851485 - 03/01/05 10:47 AM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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Y would u soak for 2 days???
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Re: Rye Berries - Do not make this mistake [Re: thenewguy05]
#3851533 - 03/01/05 10:58 AM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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As I explained, timing. If I say ok I'll get some grain soaking for tomorrow, I do at least 22 jars/batch. Its like 5-6 hours work simmering, prepping and PCing. My grow is stealth from visitors to my apartment including friends so I can only PC when we have no visitors. Then somedays I have hours of harvesting to do or casing, or inoculating, or spawning, all of which take hours to do. And my girlfriend also requires time and she gets pissed when I'm up all the time doing all this shit. Timing is crucial and so often grain will sit for 2 days. On rare occasion, even longer.
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