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spwan ratio effects.....
    #3846380 - 02/28/05 01:44 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

i have serched and read around but i want a simple answere to these two questions

1. does the spawn to bulk ratio effect potancy
2. does it effect the yeild?

ok you can elaberate(sp) if ya want :smile:

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Re: spwan ratio effects..... [Re: 88mustanggt]
    #3846389 - 02/28/05 01:46 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Spawn to bulk ratio effects colonization time of bulk. That's about it.


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Re: spwan ratio effects..... [Re: DiMiTriSouljah]
    #3846423 - 02/28/05 01:52 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

sweet!! so for instance i put one grain of wbs that was colonized into a big container of horse poopie and straw, the only downside would be the time it took to colonize the hole thing?

is it the nutes in the poopie and straw that doesn?t effect the outcomes vs just casing the same scenario into coir/verm that has no nuts?

do i got this right?


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Re: spwan ratio effects..... [Re: 88mustanggt]
    #3846426 - 02/28/05 01:53 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

1. i wouldn't think that it'd effect potency.  your conditions, strain, etc. would do that.  the lower ratio of spawn would take longer to colonize the bulk substrate though.  i suppose if you used like 1:20 or something tiny like that, you might see a very negligible loss as there's alot of energy put into colonizing all that bulk sub, but i doubt it.  i haven't worked with bulk so someone correct me if i'm off base on that.

2. i'd suspect that quicker colonization (result of higher spawn:bulk sub ratio) would produce slightly higher yields as the myc. wouldn't have to "work" as hard at colonizing the bulk sub, and could jump to its fruiting phase.  the last sentence disclaimer from #1 still applies though.

BTW, i'm totally blasted right now, so forgive me if i'm way off base here, i really love the northern lights, and it make me wanna conversate :stoned:


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Re: spwan ratio effects..... [Re: 88mustanggt]
    #3846431 - 02/28/05 01:54 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

It should also affect the yield.


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Re: spwan ratio effects..... [Re: NeedMoreSleep]
    #3846432 - 02/28/05 01:54 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

also, a smaller spawn:bulk sub ratio will increase risk of contams as it'll take longer to colonize...


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Re: spwan ratio effects..... [Re: NeedMoreSleep]
    #3846471 - 02/28/05 02:02 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

alright so it doesnt effect potancy thats confermed. but will effect the yeld cause it will be a little puckerd out after taking over that large mass.

reason i ask is just woundering if im gona see a benifent from using 7 quart jars or 4 on a bulk grow. cause i could just as easly have 2 tubs just splitting the spawn material up.


you bassterd needmoresleep i want to see the northern lights so bad, i would take a trip up north just to see them, i think it would be amazing to shroom watching them. if you dont mind me asking where abouts are you?


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Re: spwan ratio effects..... [Re: 88mustanggt]
    #3846482 - 02/28/05 02:05 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

lots of spawn = lots of grains = lots of inoculation points = fast colonisation
lots of spawn = lots of grain = lots of additional nutes = some bigger yield

1:10 should do the deal though,
ive had success with 1:20 but well, i wouldnt do it again,
especially since spawn (talking millet) is quite cheap.
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Re: spwan ratio effects..... [Re: ohmatic]
    #3846502 - 02/28/05 02:07 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

do you just guestimate your ratios? i mean i really doubt you load up your shit into a jar to messure it out or do you?


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Re: spwan ratio effects..... [Re: 88mustanggt]
    #3846543 - 02/28/05 02:15 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

no by the time you get a feeling for this.

generally, for a tub measuring 1 x 1 x 0.5 foot id prolly use
2 quarts of colonised millet.

but this is just me, as i said, by the time you develop the
"spawn ammount needed to spawn tub XY" - skill.

using more is always ok, keeping you on the safe side.
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Re: spwan ratio effects..... [Re: 88mustanggt]
    #3846547 - 02/28/05 02:15 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

with str8 straw the spawn ratio does affect potency, when I used a 1:15 ratio I yeilded crappy shrooms, but when I used a 1:3 ratio I yeilded some killer mush, however this does not apply to dung or compost


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    #3846557 - 02/28/05 02:17 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: spwan ratio effects..... [Re: ohmatic]
    #3846566 - 02/28/05 02:19 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

The primary concern for this is longer colonization, which in turn leads to a significantly greater susceptability (sp?) to contamination, your substrate losing ideal water content, etc. It is also likely that you won't have an incubator for the large bulk containers. Although the myc will generate some of its own heat, it still won't be ideal conditions, you'll want as much spawn as you can muster to overcome this.

The mighty bulkmasta agar recommends 25% spawn by volume as an ideal ratio. He claims that dropping below 10% can be dangerous.

Shroommasta Stamets claims, with more regards to Grain to GRAIN transfers, that they can be performed with a ratio range of 1:10 - 1:40, 1:40 being significantly more likely to fail.

In my experience as a newer cultivator, you really do not want to drop below 10%, and also limit your bulk casings to the smallest self-sufficient container possible for most efficient use of square footage. After my research, I think I've found the solution to this for beginners is the use of 5 gallon buckets. 2 gallons should easily provide you with 4" of substrate depth, and plenty of head room. 2 gallons spawned with a single quart will still keep you above that 10% line. I am spawning 2 quarts per bucket over 15 buckets tonight, that's 25%. I haven't done the exact measurements, but the bucket is approximately 1' in diameter and should give me approximately 1 square foot in surface area per bucket. You can look for 1-3 dry oz over 2 flushes per bucket from this. There is a "Bucket-O-Shrooms" tek on here somewhere, and his single bucket cranked out 900g wet. Also, if you lose one due to contamination, it's easy to dispose of the waste, and you lose minimal spawn, substrate, and effort.


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Re: spwan ratio effects..... [Re: penlight438094]
    #3846579 - 02/28/05 02:20 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

penlight438094 said:
with str8 straw the spawn ratio does affect potency, when I used a 1:15 ratio I yeilded crappy shrooms, but when I used a 1:3 ratio I yeilded some killer mush, however this does not apply to dung or compost




this is b/c of straw not holding many nutes -> little food -> little psy.
by adding spawn you add nutes.

i recently harvested cubes from straw / dung mix that hardly blued,
im curious how they are like.
peace ohm :mushroom2:
peace ohm :mushroohm:


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Re: spwan ratio effects..... [Re: 88mustanggt]
    #3846581 - 02/28/05 02:20 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

88mustanggt said:
you bassterd needmoresleep i want to see the northern lights so bad, i would take a trip up north just to see them, i think it would be amazing to shroom watching them.  if you dont mind me asking where abouts are you?




I'm in TX :grin: I'm referring to smoking the norther lights :stoned:


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Edited by NeedMoreSleep (02/28/05 02:21 PM)


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Re: spwan ratio effects..... [Re: ShroomGuy86]
    #3846585 - 02/28/05 02:20 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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ShroomGuy86 said:
How much is spawn (millet) and where can it be purchased?




spawn is not millet, it is any grain, WBS, rye, finch seed, brown rice. For spawn any will work, even PF jars if ground up real good.

nobody can tell you where to find grain for spawn because we don't live in your area, so simply we don't know


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Re: spwan ratio effects..... [Re: ohmatic]
    #3846598 - 02/28/05 02:22 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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ohmatic said:
Quote:

penlight438094 said:
with str8 straw the spawn ratio does affect potency, when I used a 1:15 ratio I yeilded crappy shrooms, but when I used a 1:3 ratio I yeilded some killer mush, however this does not apply to dung or compost




this is b/c of straw not holding many nutes -> little food -> little psy.
by adding spawn you add nutes.

i recently harvested cubes from straw / dung mix that hardly blued,
im curious how they are like.
peace ohm :mushroom2:
peace ohm :mushroohm:




Dung has mad nutes, more than will ever be used, so does compost, this is why potent shrooms come off dung everytime


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Re: spwan ratio effects..... [Re: penlight438094]
    #3846612 - 02/28/05 02:24 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Go to KMart, Wal Mart, Target, something of the sort and find "Wild Bird Seed", "Wild Bird Food," whatever. Get the 25lb bag, should be somewhere between $4-$8. Find a tek on here on how to treat and prepare it.


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Re: spwan ratio effects..... [Re: spliffmasta]
    #3846624 - 02/28/05 02:25 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I stumbled upon super cheap wholesale Thoroughbred Compost the other day, I'm headed out to get me about 100lbs of this oh-so-chronic substrate :wink:


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Re: spwan ratio effects..... [Re: spliffmasta]
    #3846694 - 02/28/05 02:43 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

spliff masta , i i am really intreged with your bucket idea. i was planing on using rubermades.  do your buckets have lidds? so your gona have 15 buckets going hahaha, i bet that looks funny seeing all them buckets.  so you dont recoment using rubermades like the 18gallon ones. ya it would be harder to dispose of the material. but it looks less suspisiose if someone to stumble accrost it. ill have to look for this bucket teck i like the sound of it.

aww ill still want that northern lights (both kinds) :smile:


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