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GNIOM1498
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Cactus ID

#3814456 - 02/21/05 10:57 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

pictures of cactus far far away

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any idea what this is? I bought it told that it was a hybrid of Pedro. I really didn't believe that but i didn't care because i never saw a cactus like that before so I bought it. Any insights would be appreciated

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Mitchnast
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Re: Cactus ID

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#3814521 - 02/21/05 11:08 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

looks like a trich to me

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zee_werp
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Re: Cactus ID

[Re: GNIOM1498]
#3814616 - 02/21/05 11:30 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

They look like Trichocereus pachanoi to me, however its hard to tell from the pics...in your top-down one its more focused on the pebbles than the cactus. There's also a chance that there is more than one species or sub species of cactus in that group. For the one in the third pic, it looks like theres a possibility it could be a pachanoi var. Juul's giant. Better pics would help. :wink:

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Re: Cactus ID

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#3819725 - 02/22/05 09:58 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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#3819777 - 02/22/05 10:05 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

i know its not a jules giant

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Re: Cactus ID

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#3821128 - 02/23/05 07:02 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

looks like a pedro... perhaps a t. scopulicola?

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#3823952 - 02/23/05 06:49 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

hmm t.scopulicola could be

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M_S_Smith
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Re: Cactus ID

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#3834655 - 02/25/05 07:57 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Not a Trichocereus sp. "Juul's Giant," not a T. scopulicola, not a T. pachanoi, but rather a "short spined" T. peruvianus. This plant has come into general cultivation over the last few years (I'm aware of the original source). It is usually called T. pachanoi, but that is only due to superficial resemblance.

Here's a photo of a more mature tip of the short spined T. peruvianus:

Here's a T. pachanoi for comparison.

And now a Juul's Giant for further comparison:

And lastly a T. scopulicola:

Here's something I wrote on the short spined T. peruvianus and identifying it from T. pachanoi:

These plants are quite distinct in my eye, but then again I have been growing both of them for over 10 years. The short spined T. peruvianus generally has 3 to 5 spines on the new growth, commonly only 3, and with no central spine. When the spine number is 3 you will have a spine at the base of the areole which is easily twice as along as the two which are above it and horizontal to each other (the spines form a sort of upside-down pyramid). A central spine forms later on lower and older sections of the column and can reach up to 3 cm in length. The young spines are a horn color and are somewhat thinner and weaker than the very stout yellow spines on T. pachanoi. They eventually fade to a dull indistinct color.

The short spined T. peruvianus also is a much smoother plant in its "lines" than T. pachanoi, lacking a prominent tubercle rise below the areole that is common to most T. pachanoi. While T. pachanoi generally lack a transverse furrow (V-notch) above the areole it is a standard feature of the short spined T. peruvianus. This furrow, with the aging and swelling of a healthy plant, will eventually become horizontal and flush with the columns plant, no longer having any indentation and will often be completely separated from the areole below it. These furrows are in fact the remnants of tubercles. At the growth tip of the cactus you will see these V-notches as little folds in the flesh. These folds are not common on the new growth of standard T. pachanoi and few correctly identified T. pachanoi have such prominent furrows. A few T. pachanoi due maintain furrows, but they are only lightly visible.

The color of the two plants is also quite distinct. T. pachanoi is sort of a lime-green color while the short spined T. peruvianus would be more along the lines of a forest-green. The latter plant also has a thicker girth than T. pachanoi. It reaches 5" in diameter where I live, while T. pachanoi doesn't get more than 3".

~Michael~

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felixhigh
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Re: Cactus ID

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#3836266 - 02/26/05 09:43 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

i was going to say it was spinier than the usual!
short spined peruvian... you're lucky huh?

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#3840566 - 02/27/05 09:16 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

cool thanks for the help.

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