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Einsteins opinion
    #3838805 - 02/26/05 10:03 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)



"Nothing will benefit human health or increase the chances for survival of life on earth as the evolution to a vegetarian diet."

-- Albert Einstein


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Re: Einsteins opinion [Re: Sterile]
    #3838818 - 02/26/05 10:09 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

heh, weird

Im already vegetarian, but some vegetarians gave me a brochure ( lol ) it listed famous vegetarians, and I was suprised to see Leonardo and Einstein on the list


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Re: Einsteins opinion [Re: vampirism]
    #3839114 - 02/26/05 11:34 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Not true, but it was a nice try to undercut your beliefs into the mask of being "healthy".


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Re: Einsteins opinion [Re: looner2]
    #3839384 - 02/27/05 12:31 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

yeah he was


"Leonardo da Vinci's Ethical Vegetarianism a detailed study by David Hurwitz

. . . To this difficulty we have to add another one: the scarce or no importance which biographers pay to the eating habits of the people they write about. So for example Colin Spencer complains in his book The Heretics Feast that among 60 biographies about Leonardo Da Vinci only two of his biographers mention that he was a vegetarian. - Professor Luis Vallejo Rodr?guez, Spain

Leonardo da Vinci, the great artist, engineer and creator of the Mona Lisa, was such a fervent vegetarian that he would buy caged birds from poultry vendors and set them free. - from a review of Professor Rynn Berry's 'Famous Vegetarians'

* Leonardo da Vinci: the incurable polymath (TVA) "


"The mask of being healthy." Only someone really, really stupid would go vegetarian because he thought it would automatically make him healthy. How does "mask of being healthy" even fit in here? All that means is that to other people the person appears healthy because of their eating habits. Is that really all you were trying to say?


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Re: Einsteins opinion [Re: Sterile]
    #3839395 - 02/27/05 12:32 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Read his words carefully, he says an evolution to a vegetarian diet... He was himself not a vegetarian, but towards the end of his life he did see the value of reducing consumption of animal products. We have adapted to our current habits over the course of several thousands years (Not the Standard American Diet- that is an abomination)probably longer. People have grown to depend on certain diets that need to be gradually reformed, vegetarianism (absolutly NO MEAT,etc) is risky for the population as a whole unless we ween ourselves. The motivation to convert the compassionate to the cause of protecting animals is noble, but we must also be aware of our own needs and not be narrowmindedly swayed to a doctrine. Evolution NOT conversion.


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Re: Einsteins opinion [Re: signoffate]
    #3839671 - 02/27/05 01:49 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

how is it risky to go vegetarian? I personally would not push the choice on anyone else. However, we should respect our food and cherish it. Most people will blindly rush into a fast food joint, order a burger which they don't think twice about and rush right out. As a rule, vegetarians *need* to be conscious about their diet.

If it's evolution we're going for, vegetarianism would be a nice form of natural selection :p

Also, einstein was a real vegetarian at the end of his life. From the man himself, "So I am living without fats, without meat, without fish, but am feeling quite well this way. It always seems to me that man was not born to be a carnivore."


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Re: Einsteins opinion [Re: vampirism]
    #3839733 - 02/27/05 02:10 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Give me steak or give me death :thumbup:


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Re: Einsteins opinion [Re: vampirism]
    #3840504 - 02/27/05 10:33 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

It always seems to me that man was not born to be a carnivore.

That's exactly correct as is correct the statement, man was not born to be a vegetarian.

Man was born to be an omnivore.

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Re: Einsteins opinion [Re: cb9fl]
    #3840547 - 02/27/05 11:08 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

""Nothing will benefit human health or increase the chances for survival of life on earth""

yeah :wink: thing are evil.
stuff is good :P hahah ahaha


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Re: Einsteins opinion [Re: cb9fl]
    #3840590 - 02/27/05 11:29 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Man was born.

Man is in deep shit right now.And thats a fact.(Hospitals are full of people who don't know anything about healthy diet)
Improving our health is strictly connected to vegetarianism.

90% of cancer cases, are caused by bad diet.

The first thing doctors tell you when you have cancer, is to stop eating meat (toxins feed the cancer cells).

Humans can evolve towards any direction they choose. Vegetarians and vegans live many more years than carnivores, but the most important is the quaiity of life humans live, which is directly connected to the amount of toxins/cholesterols that are present in our body...

Even psychedelic trips are highlighted with less toxins.

The father of the science called "medicine" (Ipokratis) was a vegetarian. And when he was alive , animal flesh was hundreds of times healthier than what it is today.

"Your medicine is your food"
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Re: Einsteins opinion [Re: Sterile]
    #3840609 - 02/27/05 11:34 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Tell me on what you are basing your strict ideas of vegetariansim? Evolution definately doesn't support it neither does the bible.

Vegetarians and vegans live many more years than carnivores

That's because we aren't carnivores we are omnivores. Huge fucking difference.


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Re: Einsteins opinion [Re: cb9fl]
    #3840730 - 02/27/05 12:22 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

no, he said that when he was vegetarian. Omnivores are both carnivores and herbivores. If you remove the carnivore from omnivore, what do you have? Thats what he meant. Carnivore = meat eater. Are omnivores carnivores? Yes. They are also herbivores, the term is not mutually exclusive.




cb, what do you mean? And what strict laws of vegetarianism? Why is the bible relevant here, and how can evolution "support" anything at all?


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Re: Einsteins opinion [Re: cb9fl]
    #3840775 - 02/27/05 12:46 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Let me correct my typo:

Vegetarians and vegans live many more years than omnivores.

My ideas about vegetarianism are supported by the entire psychedelic family, on and off the net.

It is not very hard to see that whatever substances humans consume, have specific effects. Simply put, we are what we eat. Either thats drugs, or food, the result is that we literally become one, with the substance.(it travels in our body,and is part of it)

People can manage to live, by consuming crapy food, as well as crapy drugs, but like the coke user will end up without having very much fun at the end of his career, so will the man who eats toxins.

The central nervous system is directly affected by the amount of toxins present in the body, even trips are highlighted with less toxins in our system.

Terrence McKenna and his ideas about radical transformation of humans in order to save the eco-system, seem to agree with a more aware behaviour towards our diet, something that vegetarianism really make us do.

Science is on my side too, this branch of psychology called: Psychodietology investigates how eaach food in particular affects the central nervous system of humans.

Each food, a diferent reaction.
One of their studies, shows clearly that humans who consume meat are more violent than others that don't.

If you look at this from a higher level, you 'll see that every single war on this planet is based on violence.

Violence is a form of stupidity, and stupidity is mainly caused by bad diet. The spiritual health is directly connected with the physical. Too many toxins in our body, means too many toxic thoughts in our brain.


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Re: Einsteins opinion [Re: vampirism]
    #3840791 - 02/27/05 12:53 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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no, he said that when he was vegetarian. Omnivores are both carnivores and herbivores. If you remove the carnivore from omnivore, what do you have? Thats what he meant.  Carnivore = meat eater. Are omnivores carnivores? Yes. They are also herbivores, the term is not mutually exclusive.




cb, what do you mean? And what strict laws of vegetarianism? Why is the bible relevant here, and how can evolution "support" anything at all?




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Re: Einsteins opinion [Re: Sterile]
    #3840887 - 02/27/05 01:23 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

90% of cancer cases, are caused by bad diet.


Got proof? I'd love to see it.


The first thing doctors tell you when you have cancer, is to stop eating meat (toxins feed the cancer cells).


What are these "toxins"... do you have any idea?



Humans can evolve towards any direction they choose. Vegetarians and vegans live many more years than carnivores, but the most important is the quaiity of life humans live, which is directly connected to the amount of toxins/cholesterols that are present in our body...


I debunked this silly little statistic many times before, and I'll do it again.

Vegetarians are by and large, a very health oriented group of people. Many become vegetarians because they believe it is "healthier". Along with this lifestyle people are more likely to exercise and stay healthy.

Now, who are you comparing these health people too? The average fat body, who doesn't take interest in their health. That is not to say ALL omnivores are, but you are including a large % of the population.

A better and more accurate study would be one that tests the longevity of people who are vegetarians and those who are health conscious omnivores. Those results would be better suited for discussion.


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Re: Einsteins opinion [Re: looner2]
    #3841690 - 02/27/05 04:42 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

What is true though, is that a diet without red meat, cream, etc. reduces coronary problems. It's the saturated fats thats "evil" and a vegetarian/vegan diet contains much less of that.


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Re: Einsteins opinion [Re: Trespasser]
    #3842594 - 02/27/05 07:22 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Red meat, cream, milk, etc. IS Not the problem here, over consumtion is! There is a vast difference between not touching the stuff, and eating them in a diet of primarily raw fruits and vegetables. You want to talk of foods that cause problems, GRAIN!!! I can consume raw milk and meat, but grain, WTF were we thinking!?!
The point I think Einstien was making was that we can feel so much more alive if we make the transition, and for some people no transition may be nessecary... BUT that cannot go for all of humanity just yet. Some vegetarians tend to imagine that we are still this fruit and seed eating frugivore from Eden, we have come a long, long way though, and if humanity is ever to make it's way back, we must be willing to allow our bodies, families, and genetic conditioning to gradually reach that epoch.
If we live and eat unconsiously, yes I can see how we might tend to become more violent, but toxins come from vegetables also, just go randomly sampling some wild greens and you'll see! But if you want to compare violent trends look at some vegetarians when defficiency begins to show its ugly face (and this happens to SO many!) Even Cain was a vegetarian, and he Murdered his Brother!! Why, if vegetarian or vegan diets are our current, natural inclination would we need to supplement with B12, EPA's, and DHA to maintain our own health, not mention that of the children we nurse?


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Re: Einsteins opinion [Re: Sterile]
    #3843557 - 02/27/05 10:14 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Einstein was also a socialist. Being a great physicist doesn't make you competent in other areas.


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Re: Einsteins opinion [Re: Silversoul]
    #3845193 - 02/28/05 03:17 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I thought the biggest reason to become a vegetarian was because of the unwillingness to support the mass killing of animals. One might assume that spiritual people doesn't condone that, but maybe that's just me thinking? Or does the "transition" to a vegetarian diet have to be based on self gain? Compassion, anyone?


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Re: Einsteins opinion [Re: Trespasser]
    #3845229 - 02/28/05 03:31 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Humans were born with canine teeth for a reason.

I'm at the top of the food chain.  I might as well enjoy it.

Mmmmm.....hamburgers.....  :drooling:


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