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Offlinefreddurgan
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Now I'm confused : Nelumbo Nucifera vs. Nymphaea Caerulea
    #3833538 - 02/25/05 05:17 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I'm very, very confused at this point.

1.) Nymphaea Caerulea - this is ACTUALLY a Blue Lily, correct? It is called the "Sacred Egyptian Lotus" or "Blah Blah Lotus" but in reality it is a Blue Water Lily, correct?

2.) Nelumbo Nucifera - ACTUALLY a lotus, perhaps called the "sacred water lotus". Apparently it's not actually blue, but pink and/or purple. So really it's just a water lotus, not a blue lotus.

I'm confused. IAmShaman sells both, and they say that both are psychoactive, and I don't know anymore which one I should be looking for. They sell Blue Lily Flowers, and they sell Blue Lotus Stamens and Petals.

Which ones are worth purchasing? Are they both worthwhile? There is just too much conflicting information online, and I'm getting terribly confused. Apparently they are not related.

Nymphaea Caerulea comes from the family Nymphaeaceae

and the Nelumbo Nucifera comes from the family Nelumbonaceae

So really, I need to hear more about this. I'm confused.


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Re: Now I'm confused : Nelumbo Nucifera vs. Nymphaea Caerulea [Re: freddurgan]
    #3833635 - 02/25/05 05:42 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I understand your confusion..those too seem all mixed up in vendors sites.
But, I believe that it comes down to" Nymphaea Caerulea is better. They contain similar alkaloids, but Blue Lily, Nymphaea Caerulea, has more. I believe that this is not only was this the Lily close to the Egyptians hearts, but the lotus highly regarded in India. I had half an oz of it at some point..it's great, very mellow, a nice smoke..subtle relaxation, good feelings.


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Re: Now I'm confused : Nelumbo Nucifera vs. Nymphaea Caerulea [Re: rdnp2035]
    #3833679 - 02/25/05 05:58 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah I read about how the Egyptians really enjoyed the Nymphaea Caerulea, but I wasn't sure how it matched up with Nelumbo Nucifera.

And when you said "I believe that this is not only was this the Lily close to the Egyptians hearts, but the lotus highly regarded in India", did you mean Nelumbo Nucifera was highly regarded in India? Or Nymphaea Caerulea. Because you said "lotus", and when I see lotus I think Nelumbo Nucifera since Nymphaea Caerulea is a lily.


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Re: Now I'm confused : Nelumbo Nucifera vs. Nymphaea Caerulea [Re: freddurgan]
    #3834517 - 02/25/05 09:27 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

You want Nelumbo stamens. Nymphaea is the species that had a much much lower potency (subjectively). That being said I would like to try Nymphaea stamens ;p


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Re: Now I'm confused : Nelumbo Nucifera vs. Nymphaea Caerulea [Re: freddurgan]
    #3834651 - 02/25/05 09:55 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Caerulea is what people are referring to when they talk about the traditional Blue Lotus, and Nucifera is often called the Sacred Lotus. I've heard that they do contain some compounds in common, such as nuciferine, but possibly psychoactive compounds are found in one and not the other.

IAmShaman definitely does confuse the issue with their wording, as does Erowid by putting these two different species in the same vault, but from what I hear Nucifera needs more testing, as Caerula has been used by many.


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Re: Now I'm confused : Nelumbo Nucifera vs. Nymphaea Caerulea [Re: freddurgan]
    #3835722 - 02/26/05 04:04 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

pretty much everything in the flower of both are eaten/smoked/consumed as a form of tea, smoking Nymphaea is far from the best way to consume it

Nymphaea Caerulea




Nelumbo Nucifera


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Re: Now I'm confused : Nelumbo Nucifera vs. Nymphaea Caerulea [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #3836824 - 02/26/05 02:17 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, I was wondering if smoking Nymphaea would work or not, considering it is less potent. I might just have to make a tea out of Nymphaea and smoke the Nelumbo stamens.


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Re: Now I'm confused : Nelumbo Nucifera vs. Nymphaea Caerulea [Re: freddurgan]
    #3837715 - 02/26/05 05:44 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

steep the petals in a glass of warm wine, I wouldnt say its less potent, but smoking it is a waste


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Re: Now I'm confused : Nelumbo Nucifera vs. Nymphaea Caerulea [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #3839423 - 02/27/05 12:39 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

wow, those are pretty. I want to grow those


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Re: Now I'm confused : Nelumbo Nucifera vs. Nymphaea Caerulea [Re: Fluxburn]
    #3840591 - 02/27/05 11:29 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Iamshaman once had "Nymphaea Caerulea pods" as a product.. and the picture clearly showed Nelumbo nucifera pods.. the kind you can buy at florist shops. Nelumbo Nucifera is never blue.. so its pretty devious of him to call it Blue Lotus. I'm sure he loves the money though.

Nelumbo Nucifera petals aren't as potent as Nymphaea Caerulea. The stamens of both are more potent than their petals, but i'm not sure which stamens are more potent. Definately needs more testing.

Also, whats the deal with Cielo Herbals "golden lily" that they sell for $60 an ounce? I'm thinking its Nymphaea Mexicana, which I have a wholesale source for. Maybe i'll request a sample and tests its activity.

The absolute best way to ingest Nymphaea Caerulea is to soak it for a long time in alcohol. I put a bunch in some whiskey, left it to sit for about a month, strained it.. took two shots.. WOW. It was amazingly euphoric and stimulating. Bordering on hallucinogenic (visual perception greatly altered), which is very interesting.. since it was thought that the egyptians used it as a hallucinogen. Definate synergy with alcohol. Try it!


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Re: Now I'm confused : Nelumbo Nucifera vs. Nymphaea Caerulea [Re: Fluxburn]
    #3840612 - 02/27/05 11:37 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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wow, those are pretty. I want to grow those




I'll be working on both soon, 2 ponds, 2 types of flowers, one pond is shallow enough to allow one to take over the whole thing, the other has fish and is about 20 feet deeper so the edges will be their growing area


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Re: Now I'm confused : Nelumbo Nucifera vs. Nymphaea Caerulea [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #3840845 - 02/27/05 01:14 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

oh, any luck of growing indoors?


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Re: Now I'm confused : Nelumbo Nucifera vs. Nymphaea Caerulea [Re: Fluxburn]
    #3844542 - 02/28/05 12:44 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Haha, I meant Nymphaea Caerulea.
Yeah..I think lotus is more of a layman term that has been applied to at least these two plants. From what I understand, Nymphaea Caerulea is the goods.


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Re: Now I'm confused : Nelumbo Nucifera vs. Nymphaea Caerulea [Re: rdnp2035]
    #3845628 - 02/28/05 08:59 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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rdnp2035 said:
Haha, I meant Nymphaea Caerulea.
Yeah..I think lotus is more of a layman term that has been applied to at least these two plants. From what I understand, Nymphaea Caerulea is the goods.





Nymphaea Caerulea is actualy a water lily but my understanding is that they are more potent than Nelumbo as well, I know that ingesting it after steeping the
petals in wine are quite similar, although milder, to MDMA and have heard that
smoking it gives a very different effect

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oh, any luck of growing indoors?




not as of yet, I'm going to try scuffing the surface on a waterstone today and
putting them into some small net pots


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Re: Now I'm confused : Nelumbo Nucifera vs. Nymphaea Caerulea [Re: rdnp2035]
    #3847100 - 02/28/05 04:17 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Personally I find Nelumbo Nucifera to be much more potent than Nymhae.
I have smoked a 26x extract of both and found that Nelumbo extract was good for four sessions while nymphae barely took me above baseline.


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Re: Now I'm confused : Nelumbo Nucifera vs. Nymphaea Caerulea [Re: passitbobbie]
    #3853257 - 03/01/05 06:36 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Can you smoke a non-extract of Nelumbo? I'd like to just buy Nelumbo stamens and smoke them in a joint. That would be my ideal way to do it.

And I'm going to have to try to put the Nymphaea in alcohol. I've heard a lot of good things about that.


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Re: Now I'm confused : Nelumbo Nucifera vs. Nymphaea Caerulea [Re: freddurgan]
    #3853287 - 03/01/05 06:43 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

you can its all up to how much smoke you'd like to inhale ;p


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Re: Now I'm confused : Nelumbo Nucifera vs. Nymphaea Caerulea [Re: freddurgan]
    #3854566 - 03/01/05 11:41 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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freddurgan said:
And I'm going to have to try to put the Nymphaea in alcohol. I've heard a lot of good things about that.




honestly, it's the best method I've heard of so far


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Re: Now I'm confused : Nelumbo Nucifera vs. Nymphaea Caerulea [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #3855414 - 03/02/05 03:10 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

exactly what part of the flower is best to use? petal or stamens? and how long of an alchohol soak is necessary? also, do you reccomend blending your petal or stamens to a powder prior to the soak or is it really not that necessary? i've never had any experiences with lotus before but based on the way you guys speak of it, it definately seems like something to check out. what would you say is a good dose? sorry about all the questions, but you caught my interest  :wink:


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Re: Now I'm confused : Nelumbo Nucifera vs. Nymphaea Caerulea [Re: Psilostylin]
    #3863082 - 03/03/05 04:57 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I usualy just smash them a little and stuff them in the wine (petals mostly) and
let it steep for about a week and then filter it to remove the solids, I use about
3-4 flowers to a bottle and a half glass gives me a vrey nice feeling, a full
glass is just..... whoa.


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