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OfflineTokagekobushi
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Mushrooms genetics (CHECK THIS OUT!)
    #3830541 - 02/25/05 12:09 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I know that manipulating genetics is kinda of a sketchy topic, not many know of its capabilities until its been done (I doubt anyone thought they could grow a human ear on a rat) but, considering that ability to change the chemical makeup of the DNA of the living things, and their ability to get other things to produce different chemicals(like rats producing human insulin in large quantities), does anything think its within the realm of reason that plants should be make to produce such wonderful chemicals as psilocybin or psilocin in their sap, or concentrated in their fruits? Dont get me wrong, I respect the shroom, and would think many times before trying to go around it, its just, growing mushrooms takes a while(shorter time than a tree mind you, but tree is a renewable source), and IMHO it might be easier to produce the chem if you got it from a giant tree and harvested its sap like maple syrup. Its free for debate, im aware that some are probably going to think this is a retarded idea, not worth it, but Im just trying to think off the beaten path I think. :mushroom2:


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Re: Mushrooms genetics [Re: Tokagekobushi]
    #3830579 - 02/25/05 12:15 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

one huge problem i would see with this is a mushroom is a fungus and a tree is a plant. the ear rat thing at least both are animals. im going with impossible with our knowledge.


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Re: Mushrooms genetics [Re: Tokagekobushi]
    #3830596 - 02/25/05 12:17 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Well, its just the gene for producing such a chemical, not the whole thing. IM no geneticist by any stretch of the mind but, I think it might be possible, they are both living organisms. besides, its not like your trying to cross pollinate them or anything, your forcefully jacking into the genes and putting some extra info in


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    #3831365 - 02/25/05 03:12 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Mushrooms genetics [Re: Lysergium]
    #3832048 - 02/25/05 09:57 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

the resources required to conduct such an experiment probably are equal to the average shroomerites annual household income. unless you have access to a lab...


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Re: Mushrooms genetics [Re: CPT_InSaNo]
    #3833369 - 02/25/05 04:21 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Its theoreticly possible. Jellyfish genes(bioluminesence) have been transfered to Fish. Invertabrate to vertabrate is a larger gap than fungus to plant. Besides its just a genetic marker that would trigger the production of the chemical. In the glowing Fish its the same thing. They put a marker in its DNA that makes it produce a bioluminesence chem. So, yes its possible.


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Re: Mushrooms genetics [Re: blaze2]
    #3833739 - 02/25/05 06:21 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

and then there is the spider goat. genetically altered so that it's milk would contain the substance that spiders make their webs with. they are using this to make super strong fibers for light weight body armor and such.

if psilocybin was the most deadly nerve agent known to man, our government would have crops of psilocybin plum trees. assuming they couldn't make it in a lab any easier. ...spider silk substance must be hard to synthesize.


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Re: Mushrooms genetics [Re: ninetynine]
    #3834234 - 02/25/05 08:21 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

pound for pound (or in this case, gram for gram), it still isn't as strong as spider silk. I don't know what that has to do with this thread, just wanted to point that at.


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Re: Mushrooms genetics [Re: Tokagekobushi]
    #3835481 - 02/26/05 02:18 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

the thing about insulin is that it is a protein which is derived directly from the DNA. The gene for insulin can be inserted into the host and the host then produces insulin. Psilocybin is not a protein and therefore, is not directly coded for by the DNA. Instead, there is a whole biosynthetic pathway which produces psilocybin. This is much more complicated to reproduce in a host cell. I suppose it is still possible given all the necessary enzymes and precursors and whatnot, but it would probably be a lot easier to just stick with good old mushrooms.


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Re: Mushrooms genetics [Re: blaze2]
    #3838381 - 02/26/05 08:08 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Invertabrate to vertabrate is a larger gap than fungus to plant.



I'm almost 100% sure that fungi are closer in evolution to animals than to plants. Also plants and fungi are in different kingdoms, while vert/invertebrates are in the same kingdom.

Edit: Indeed animals and fungi are both part of the supergroup Opisthokont, while plants are part of the different group of Plantae.


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Re: Mushrooms genetics [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #3838666 - 02/26/05 09:26 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Fungi are less advanced then plants though correct?

I mean plants, animals and fungi are on a single "line" meaning they have to follow each other in evolutionary advancement. If plants evolved seperately than fungi and animals they could very well be more advanced than fungi.


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Re: Mushrooms genetics [Re: cb9fl]
    #3838980 - 02/26/05 10:59 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Seeing as the line continues and animals are last with fungi next to them, that would mean plants are more advanced than animals also, correct? Which I wouldn't necessarily agree with, though advanced is a very relative word.


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Re: Mushrooms genetics [Re: Ravus]
    #3839183 - 02/26/05 11:49 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Oops meant aren't.

I didn't think plants and animals evolved on the same "line" thus fauna and flora.


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Re: Mushrooms genetics (CHECK THIS OUT!) [Re: Tokagekobushi]
    #3840467 - 02/27/05 10:09 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Tokagekobushi said:
(I doubt anyone thought they could grow a human ear on a rat)



I'm getting sick of people using this image in reference to genetic engineering. They didn't grow an ear on a rat (it was a mouse btw). A template in the shape of a human ear was formed and then seeded with human cartilage cells. The template was then surgically implanted on the back of a mouse under its skin. The cartilage cells eventually grew into the structure resembling a child's ear.


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Re: Mushrooms genetics (CHECK THIS OUT!) [Re: cybrbeast]
    #3841253 - 02/27/05 02:58 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Hrmm, psylocybin sap. Nice.


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