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Flat Cake Tek Version 1
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Supplies:

1. caserole dish(glass only) with plastic lid( pyrex brand)

2. saran wrap

3. vermiculite


4. 3 fully colonized pf cake 2 weeks after 100%colonization.

5. needle

6. distilled water

7. fork

Directions:

1. First sterilize your area with lysol disinfectant sprayed in the air. then use rubbing alcohol to sterilize your table. finally use rubbing alcohol to sterilize yourself and any tools u are working with.

2. presterilize vermiculite for 25-60 minutes at 325 degrees.

3. now birth the jars. first scrape of verm layer and add three jars per flat square caserole dish. 




4. remove any primordia or pins that have started growing on the cakes.  now break up cakes into small pea size pieces. you pretty much crumble the cakes.



5. Next, you mix distilled water with your vermiculite. allow the verm to be damp not wet. maybe only a drop comes out between your fingers when a handfull is squeezed.

6. now use the fork to evenly pack down the mycelia. make sure it is as even as possible this will help in the future.




7.now spread the verm. over the cakes evenly, covering the mycelia entirely. now use your hand to pat down the vermiculite so that it is nice and snug.





8. use the saran wrap over the caserole dish and poke 10 or 12 holes randomely in the saran wrap. now label your trays.This image shows the trays covered with saran wrap,verm, and labeled. ready for incubation.






9. Finally incubate your containers in total darkness for 3 to five days until the mycelia is thick and looks like a fully colonized pf jar again. the pieces that you broke up will grow together and look like one cake now.

10. Do not allow light in incubation room and do not use heating pads.

11. Once the dishes have grown through. birth them by scraping the top verm layer off and then use a fork CAREFULLY to pull the cake away from the edge of the caserole dish. Now flip the cake upside down on top of the saran wrap and on top of the lid to the caserole dish.

TIP: WHEN PLACING THE TRAY INSIDE THE CONTAINER A GOOD HINT IS TO TAKE A THE PART OF THE SARAN WRAP HANGING OVER THE CASEROLE DISH LID AND STICK IT TO YOUR TERRARIUM WALL. THIS HELPS THE MUSHROOMS TREMENDOUSLY. ANOTHER TRICK I LEARNED BY ACCIDENT.





Here are some pictures of results using the flat cake tek. also found in the pictures section of this site.







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Edited by eatyualive (07/30/08 07:36 AM)

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Re: Flat Cake Tek Version 1 [Re: eatyualive]
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I am sorry maybe it?s just me but what is the difference between your tek and all the other crumble cake teks.

besides that your pics are huge and it is irratating to try to read going back and forth see what i mean

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Re: Flat Cake Tek Version 1 [Re: eatyualive]
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The flat cake tek, finally.

One question: isn?t this like a half-casing tek? You basically do the same thing as a casing, except for the top layer of verm... Am I wrong or ? Please explain...

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Re: Flat Cake Tek Version 1 [Re: Shiznitz]
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Re: Flat Cake Tek Version 1 [Re: ]
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To me it sounds like he is deep scratching but instead of digging in with a fork he is removing the whole layer.

Anyway I posted a newcontest
hope to see all of you there

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Edited by dimitri211 on 09/01/01 01:16 AM.



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Re: Flat Cake Tek Version 1 [Re: eatyualive]
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Re: Flat Cake Tek Version 1 [Re: ]
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Those are some really cool pictures, I love the one with all the flat cakes fruiting! Very nice indeed.

Good work!

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Re: Flat Cake Tek Version 1 [Re: eatyualive]
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I?ve seen your tek allready and i still think about the amount of shrooms on top, there?s a huge area wich is covered with mycellium but still lacking shrooms, their fruitbodys are excellent though, that?s a plus.
I think the "problem" is related to the area sorrouding the cake, that?s where they grow because the height of the mycellium in the center of the cake spreads (using that height pressure) the cake water content to the side. You can try this, between step 6 and 7 before covering with vermiculite grab a knife and stab it till the bottom like cutting it, you?ll make several lines with the knife from one side of the cake till the other side, in each line you make gently push the cake aside and put your moistned vermiculite trough the small "canyon" covering untill the surface and let it close, i would recomend like four or five lines like this to each cake. The intention is to make that side humid area inside the cake itself and promote more abundance of fruitbodies. My 2 cents.

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Re: Flat Cake Tek Version 1 [Re: MAIA]
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why not just layer several of these cakes together or at least make them much thicker.
also like the idea of the verm
reservoirs as previously stated. maybe even put layers
of cake and dung(or straw, etc) and cake on top and keep covered till
the dung is also colonized?
Also as previoiusly stated this is just basically a casing
tek minus the casing, but i def. see potential. Water being the main concern

- Bill Goat

Edited by un0r on 09/05/01 08:30 AM.



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Re: Flat Cake Tek Version 1 [Re: eatyualive]
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newbie here..

I still haven?t grasped the concept of casing yet..

will someone please tell me if the caserole dishes need to be placed in a terrerium (after birth) to grow shrooms, or can they grow just by sitting on top of the dish lid in regular room temperature? If that is the situation, then this has to be by far the easiest way of growing.


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Re: Flat Cake Tek Version 1 [Re: eatyualive]
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i don?t see the point too, case then uncase......
your yield will probably better if you leave the pans in a terrarium, without scraping the vermiculite...

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Re: Flat Cake Tek Version 1 [Re: CLuB99]
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ok, but if the casing is done correctly then I don?t have to keep them in a terrarium? and don?t scrape the verm either hey? just let em grow and I should produce some results?

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Re: Flat Cake Tek Version 1 [Re: Snobrdr311]
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Re: Flat Cake Tek Version 1 [Re: ]
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yeah that?s what I figured, it just seemed to easy the other way..:)

thanks for the help buddy.

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Re: Flat Cake Tek Version 1 [Re: Snobrdr311]
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Try the tek before you dis it! Many of you can say what you want and may think you know it all. Just try the damn tek. you don?t know the results until you try it.



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Re: Flat Cake Tek Version 1 [Re: eatyualive]
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trying to bring this up so i can find the url to post for people.


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Re: Flat Cake Tek Version 1 [Re: eatyualive]
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had some requests to bring this up bc the url i found wasn?t working.


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Re: Flat Cake Tek Version 1 [Re: eatyualive]
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Re: Flat Cake Tek Version 1 [Re: eatyualive]
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Hi!

Exactly how centimeters or inches flat should the cake and the verm layers be?

And what cakes should I use? BRF cakes are good?

Bard


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Re: Flat Cake Tek Version 1 [Re: Bard]
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i make mine 1/2" usually. i have used 8 cakes at a time once. the cake was about 1" thick. it was an incredible sight.


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Re: Flat Cake Tek Version 1 [Re: eatyualive]
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Hey man!

People will ALWAYS have something they think is better to add or take away from a tek.

Your pix look great! You obviously spent some considerable time and preparation into this tek, and it obviously works!

I?m adding it to my tek collection, thanks!

:)


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Re: Flat Cake Tek Version 1 [Re: eatyualive]
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nobody disputed that it worked . they were just asking what was different about this one. Most casing teks involve crumbling the cakes in a dish or tray, and casing with vermiculite or peat and lime.


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Re: Flat Cake Tek Version 1 [Re: eatyualive]
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Thank you!

But you didn?t answer my question about the brown rice flour cake. You know I?m a beginner, and I want to make only small steps, and I tried the PF Tek so far, with BRF. I like your Tek, but I want to try it if it works with that substrate (dont want to change to another yet...). So what substrate do you use? Is BRF will be good for this tek?

Bard


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Re: Flat Cake Tek Version 1 [Re: Shaw]
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I?ve no experience in casing, but as far as I know, in casing, there is a thicker layer of the crumbled cakes. two inches maybe. I was sent to here, when I asked for a Tek, where the first flush is very big, maybe taking away from the next ones. The idea was, that the more surface area the more mushies... I don?t know, but it sounds logical... Just count. If you use a 1/2 inch layer instead of 2 inches, the surface will be 4 times larger! More mushies in the first flush... At least I think...


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Re: Flat Cake Tek Version 1 [Re: Bard]
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man, just look at the ton of shrooms he?s getting! how can ANYONE dis such a successful tek? man, i can only imagine the profits....


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Re: Flat Cake Tek Version 1 [Re: eatyualive]
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Holy sh*t.
This is a tek I am going to try for sure. It looks somewhat easy I suppose.

Just takes the extra step of crumbling and then re-incubating so the mycilum grows. However instead of having the mycilum grow through the top and using that as the base of the shroooms, hes using the verm as just the base for a cake, sort of like a launching pad, correct?

For some reason, this "casing" TEK makes the most sense to me...seems very logical, and look at those resluts. The enviornment must be setup quite well for growing as well.

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Re: Flat Cake Tek Version 1 [Re: eatyualive]
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incredible....cant wait till i get started :)

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Re: Flat Cake Tek Version 1 [Re: eatyualive]
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Yet another Laim Tek were you get more huh?s? and what? than anything else.


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Re: Flat Cake Tek Version 1 [Re: SexWizard]
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i gotta say that props are given where ever they are deserved. so props on the nice crop.

however, there?s a few things that u should consider b4 making this your regular tek.

1. it takes 3-4 weeks for a BRF cake to fully mature, and u?r sayin to wait another week after that b4 u break them up. (4-5 weeks right there)

where as Rye grain will colonize in about 2-3 weeks b4 they are ready to be cased (that puts an extra 2 weeks in between your crop cycles)

2. To innoculate each jar is about 1 ml of spore solution, so if it takes 3 cakes per dish, if u want a big square of 4 total u?ll need 12ml ( that?s more than 1 sirynge)

this is opposed to Rye / Millet jars which need about 2 ml per Quart jar. each jar can be mixed to make 1 Large or 2 small casings. So (unless u?re making tons of spore prints) u?re wastin solution.

3. Lastly, ur? taking off the casing layer, and depriving the cakes of a source of constant moisture. Unless of course they?re placed on perlite. in which case, it?s simply a flat cake like u said.
(it looks like pizza btw :) )

so once again, it?s an interesting tek, and props for making it work for u. there?s a chance that i may give it a shot some time in the future, but i may do it a lil differently, thats all.

my 2 cents on the idea
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Re: Flat Cake Tek Version 1 [Re: aka]
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pizza? I was thinking more like lasagna.

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Re: Flat Cake Tek Version 1 [Re: Brugman]
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SexWizard, what a fucking moron. Eatyualive, this Tek is the easiest way to grow the most shrooms by far. Anyone who says anything else obviously hasn?t tried it or failed miserably because they are ignorant, and are the ones missing out on what some of us already know. I just don?t see what motivates worthless losers like SexWizard to talk shit for no reason at all when you are offering everyone valuable knowledge.

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Re: Flat Cake Tek Version 1 [Re: skippy420]
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it may be easy, but its far from the most bang for your buck, that?s all i gotta say
that?s basically cause its the beginners PF cake tek expanded half a step towards casing, but not quite.

it also leaves out some of the important procedures for taking proper care of your crop, such as contained, sterile environment, high relative humidity and constant temperature (it?s hard to keep temperature constant in front of a window, considering it can be 85 in the day time and 65 at night).

think about that and compare it to any casing tek. then think again, and tell me how the Flat Cake tek can be refined.

THEN u will have a tek worthwhile all the extra time.

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Edited by aka (12/22/01 01:31 AM)

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Re: Flat Cake Tek Version 1 [Re: eatyualive]
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hey wussups alohas. umm ive been dyin to try out your tek. i tried doing up two of my pyrex dishes on the 28 of feb. and today is the 7 of march. the three cakes per pyrex container that were broken up arent looking like its growing together into one cake. but it is turning a little more white though and a lot of condensation is building in the container. i dont think i packed it in good enough.
-would you know what im doing wrong here?
-are you supposed to pack the crumbled substrate down really tight into the pyrex container? and how bout the vermiculite?
-can i leave the flat cakes incubating for a little while longer than what you recommend in your tek?
haha i wanna really get this get on the way. shit after seeing your yeilds. damn cakes rock.
i really need your help master. haha asap.
alohas. lates.

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Re: Flat Cake Tek Version 1 [Re: michael_ahji]
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flat cake tek is a forest floor thing they?re all crazy about it over there... personally i just dont understand why you dont case... your yield looks nice definitley and im not bashing you or anything... but it just seems like it takes more time and work than a casing and yields less... just my opinion though, nice pics... did you guys know cubies will grow on recycled newspaper kitty litter, a guy used some to spawn into these flat cakes on the forest floor and they actually liked the newspaper... i guess cubies are wood lovers after all...

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Re: Flat Cake Tek Version 1 [Re: LSD_4me]
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how the hell can you say that this method yields less than a casing ?
got any facts or figures to back up that assertion ?
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Re: Flat Cake Tek Version 1 [Re: Hippie3]
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I?m sure there are a lot of people who have tried this tek who have also cased. So, which method yields more weight relative to surface area? It seems that most of the mushrooms are growing out the sides of the flat cakes. So wouldn?t it yeild more if you put a thin casing layer on top of the cake after birthing, in the same way that people put some casing on top of regular cakes?

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Re: Flat Cake Tek Version 1 [Re: Buddha]
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I am planning on trying this method with my own additions- based on the responses that this thread has gotten, I am going to do the flat cake and then lut a small casing layer on the top (probably 50/50 PLUS) It makes perfect sense to me that this kind of thing could potentially fruit more than just cakes. I am guessing that there will be a very even pinset as well, considering the fact that the top layer will be COMPLETELY flat and even. even casings mean even pinning. Perhaps I will try the exact tek AND the casing layer at the same time and see which one gets better results. I?ll keep you guys posted. Great tek, makes sense to me!

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Re: Flat Cake Tek Version 1 [Re: jdtwelve]
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Wow! Cant argue with those results. Nice work! Ill probably use this tek sometime.

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Re: Flat Cake Tek Version 1 [Re: eatyualive]
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there not dissing your tek buddy there just puting there 2 cents in thats the point of posting isn?t it your tek is an ok tek but it seems like it would be a pain in the ass. You can do somthing that is basicly the same thing thats alot easier. I know of teks that won?t take up so much space and it won?t take up so much of your cake with better results. Your tek is ok but it?s a pain in the ass well thats what it seems like. and if your going to post a tek people are going to say somthing about it and there not dissing you or it so if you don?t like people judging your tek don?t post it.

WELL THATS MY 2 CENTS.
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Re: Flat Cake Tek Version 1 [Re: dog]
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Will do, I am just a few days away from having substrate again =)
Will post pics too, I just borrowed a digital camera from a friend for a while =)

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great project [Re: dimitri211]
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This looks real innovative. I appreciate you posting this tek. Perhaps I?ll try it next batch of jars...

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Re: great project [Re: Bundle_of_sticks]
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technically this post is over 11 months old, don?t post unless you look at the date first, no need to bring them back from the dead.


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^^^^oops

what if i dont have any nice glass dishes like that? can i use a ceramic bowl? the bottom of it is falt, but it?s round shaped


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Re: Post deleted by Moe Howard [Re: GWAR]
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I this thread! :cool:
 


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Re: Post deleted by Moe Howard [Re: geokills]
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Sure can Gwar.


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Re: Flat Cake Tek Version 1 [Re: eatyualive]
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Under the the supplies section...
Quote:
caserole dish(glass only) with plastic lid( pyrex brand)


Why wouldnt a plastic container work? The Man uses em for casings all the time.


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Re: Flat Cake Tek Version 1 [Re: MAIA]
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Actually the stems on those fruits are heavily covered with mycelium. Nutrients in the substrate is being used to regenerate mycal tissue and not sustain fruit body growth, which could explain the gaps in his casing. I think the standard casing teks would yield better and more fruits. Maybe he?s thinking the thinner the cake the faster the incubation time???


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Re: Flat Cake Tek Version 1 [Re: soochi]
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this is my friends first time growing. he has a couple of partly colonized (but quite small cakes).. after they finish colonizing (with no mold hopefully), would you guys suggest this tek?


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Re: Flat Cake Tek Version 1 [Re: Brugman]
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I was just thinking...and if you add a bit more compost to the cake in the casserole?..would there be better results?..or is the vermiculite just enough...?

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Re: Flat Cake Tek Version 1 [Re: amorpheus]
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if you like that check out his lazymofo bag tek if ya wanna get a serious amount of flatcakes going...

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