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Mexican tarragon (tagetes lucida) - visuals?
    #3826023 - 02/24/05 03:39 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Various vendors are selling this, claiming that it produces visuals when smoked. If anyone has tried this, what results did you get? Please give as many details as possible, such as the amount smoked, how it was smoked, in what time span, and how long the smoke was held in the lungs. I am very curious. Thanks!


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Re: Mexican tarragon (tagetes lucida) - visuals? [Re: dudeownsproperty]
    #3826160 - 02/24/05 06:14 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

never even heard of it :shrug:


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Re: Mexican tarragon (tagetes lucida) - visuals? [Re: dudeownsproperty]
    #3827849 - 02/24/05 04:26 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I got an ounce or so from IAmShaman, and it did absolutely nothing. I tried smoking it in bowls, joints, smoking a lot of it, nothing happens in my experience. I wouldn't waste your money on it.

It does taste kind of nice and fruity, even though the smoke's a bit harsh.


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Re: Mexican tarragon (tagetes lucida) - visuals? [Re: Ravus]
    #3831435 - 02/25/05 03:29 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

tarragon is a cooking herb. There are varieties that taste like lemon. so the fruit flavor makes sense. Ive never heard of any tarragon bringing on hallucinations tho, admittedly i cant say that ive ever actually looked into it either. Its probly fake like all those other "legal high" herb blends. Peace

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Re: Mexican tarragon (tagetes lucida) - visuals? [Re: blaze2]
    #3831860 - 02/25/05 08:49 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

egh.... They use to mix it with Nicotiana rustica which was likely the principal hallucinogen in the mixture.

Its just marigold... Burpee's, Johnny's and many other seed vendors sell this very common variety of marigold... Regular Marigold is even considered to be hallucinogenic.. Tagetes erecta was used by the Aztecs... There are tons of common plants out there that have been used as hallucinogens at one point in time(think about it. the main stream ones like coleus, petunia, marigold, morning glory are all very well known 'entheogens' but there are countless more.. Many of them are considered to be hallucinogenic or mind altering based on a single lead. Shultes heard about the ecquadorian highland natives using a variety of petunia to induce feelings of flight, we took this lead and ran with it, began testing samples from various countries and suppliers, etc. etc.) Same this with Mexican Marigold, we heard that it was possibly used as a hallucinogen based on a few leads and ran with it. Maybe we will someday learn to unlock its secrets. We've knew about salvia d long before we learned that it contained the most potent natural hallucinogen and many just disregarded it, thinking that it was just another plant to profit from. There are hundreds of leads out there just waiting to be explored and its our job to do so. Sunflower petels are said to be used as a potent aphrodisiac... A common sedge member in the midwest is one of the most feared and powerful herbs of the tarahumara indians... Let me share a little something with you, its an excert from an old post of mine.. I got this info from Jon Ott's Pharmacotheon(highly recommended) but I added my own comments to it:

Tagetes erecta: (this is a fairly common plant. Marigold. IAMSHAMAN sells Tagetes lucida which was commonly mixed with N. rustica by the Huichol indians into a smoking mixture called ye-tumutsali. Many think that the psychoactive affects are actually due to the rustica rater than the lucida. I've also read that t. lucida is considered poisonous. okay on with the text)
.......Tagetes erecta, the famous zempoalxochitl of mexico, has been reportedly used as a sacred inebriant by the Mixe indians of Oaxaca who make hot-water infusions of nine flowers for divinatory purposes. This species is used as a malaria remedy in Madagscar. (Do not confuse this plant with Pot Marigold. This is pretty easy to find at green houses and garden centers. I have yet to experiment with it. Someone should do a search at Dukes Database and find it's constituents).

So lets get to work and unlock the secrets that nature has in store for us.


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Re: Mexican tarragon (tagetes lucida) - visuals? [Re: Aneglakya]
    #3832027 - 02/25/05 09:50 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

this is all some great information, thanks!


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Re: Mexican tarragon (tagetes lucida) - visuals? [Re: Aneglakya]
    #3832258 - 02/25/05 11:11 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I think I've read accounts where the Aztecs blew a cloud of dried and powdered tagetes into the faces of their prisoners to stupify them before they had their hearts cut out on the sacrificial altars. Curious, but I've never checked it out.


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Re: Mexican tarragon (tagetes lucida) - visuals? [Re: obaku]
    #3848583 - 02/28/05 08:59 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Wow! I would really like to hear / read more about that account!


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Re: Mexican tarragon (tagetes lucida) - visuals? [Re: Aneglakya]
    #6136307 - 10/05/06 03:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I know Tagetes lucida is a mild stimulant and it contains a chemical called trimethoxycoumarin maybe that is why they mixed it with their peyote.  Coumarin itself in high doses is a narcotic. But then I read in a book called "Plants that Heal" that T. lucida has a substance which bares a striking resemblance to LSD-25.  It was used for itching and hangovers which involves a neurohormone known as cortisterone which in turn is also involved in anxiety neurosis.  LSD blocks corticoids.  But forget about it because it is probably a waste of $$$. :thumbdown:  Get some salvia or herb or something. :thumbup:


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Re: my exeprianc with mexican tarragon. Mexican tarragon (tagetes lucida) - visuals? [Re: dudeownsproperty]
    #20836494 - 11/14/14 03:07 PM (2 years, 26 days ago)

I grow this plant because I collect entheogenic plants. I've tried smoking it with little effects other then drowsyness and a strange diconected type of feeling but even this was very mild. Then I made tea out of a large fresh harvest and I experienced something pretty unique. First off as far as closed eye visuals: what happened was when ever I closed my eyes I would have a strange dream like effect. When I closed my eyes it was like I was dreaming but i knew I was awake. When I actually fell asleep it inhanced vividness in my dreams that's about it. But no true closed eye visuals like patterns nothing like that it's like dreaming while awake.


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Re: my exeprianc with mexican tarragon. Mexican tarragon (tagetes lucida) - visuals? [Re: CaleaGardener]
    #20838369 - 11/14/14 10:22 PM (2 years, 26 days ago)

I want to see someone unlock the secret of the coleus:ahahaha:


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Re: my exeprianc with mexican tarragon. Mexican tarragon (tagetes lucida) - visuals? [Re: kactus.brand.g]
    #20838413 - 11/14/14 10:32 PM (2 years, 26 days ago)

Coleus shmoleus...

Here's the secret:


There is no secret. It's bunk.


:mindblown:


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Re: my exeprianc with mexican tarragon. Mexican tarragon (tagetes lucida) - visuals? [Re: karode13]
    #20839685 - 11/15/14 08:34 AM (2 years, 26 days ago)

Quote:

karode13 said:
Coleus shmoleus...

Here's the secret:


There is no secret. It's bunk.


:mindblown:




I can name a few others that are claimed to be psychoactive that aren't either,but I'll let people find out on their own like I had to do:haha:


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Re: my exeprianc with mexican tarragon. Mexican tarragon (tagetes lucida) - visuals? [Re: kactus.brand.g]
    #20842226 - 11/15/14 07:56 PM (2 years, 25 days ago)

I was being a smart arse more than stating a fact.

But in my opinion anyway, the plant is not useful as an entheogen.


This guy cracks me up as well:

:mindblown:


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Re: my exeprianc with mexican tarragon. Mexican tarragon (tagetes lucida) - visuals? [Re: karode13]
    #20842449 - 11/15/14 08:48 PM (2 years, 25 days ago)

Quote:

karode13 said:
I was being a smart arse more than stating a fact.

But in my opinion anyway, the plant is not useful as an entheogen.


This guy cracks me up as well:

:mindblown:





So I see:tongue2:well unbeknownst to you,you actually were staing a fact:thumbup:

I love this guy too,he's so rad!
:mindblown::mindblown:
:mindblown::mindblown:
          :mindblown:


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