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Offlinetomk
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Logic Vote
    #3824300 - 02/23/05 10:03 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Although my name is on this post, Paradigm and I discussed it beforehand.

Paradigm and TomK need your help with a debate. The argument is over who has a better control of logic. Please read the thread here: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/3823326#Post3823326

focusing on the use of logic, and vote for who you think uses logic better. The part of the post in question starts with TomK addressing women considering abortion, and goes from their. Please do not vote for the position you like, rather, only consider the persons use of logic as the war went on.
My opinion, based solely on use of logic in the linked thread, is:
You may choose only one
Paradigm is better then TomK
TomK is better then Paradigm
They both are good
They both are goatfuckers!


Votes accepted from (02/23/05 10:01 PM) to (No end specified)
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Re: Logic Vote [Re: tomk]
    #3824312 - 02/23/05 10:06 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

You're going down, man. Prepare to be 0wn3d.


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Re: Logic Vote [Re: Silversoul]
    #3824329 - 02/23/05 10:09 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

:confused:


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Re: Logic Vote [Re: kaiowas]
    #3824341 - 02/23/05 10:13 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

It's topical man. Philosophy includes logic and we're asking for the help of philosophical logic types. This way we don't steal vultures thread for our biggest dick-proxy contest any more then we already did.


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Re: Logic Vote [Re: tomk]
    #3824347 - 02/23/05 10:15 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

:drama:


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Re: Logic Vote [Re: tomk]
    #3824354 - 02/23/05 10:16 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

it wasn't really towards the orginal post, but more towards the competition saying of "you're getting owned" or something.

I gotta go back and reread that thread again since I wasn't totally looking for "who's logic is better" kinda thing.

as far as who made better points?  both and then neither.

it was really confusing in some areas but that's probably a result of being stoned :grin:


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.---senior doobie


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Re: Logic Vote [Re: kaiowas]
    #3824359 - 02/23/05 10:18 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

What's wrong with a little competitiveness?


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Re: Logic Vote [Re: Silversoul]
    #3824370 - 02/23/05 10:21 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

didn't say anything was wrong

was just confused. 

:confused: <---confused icon

:stoned: :wink:


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.---senior doobie


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Re: Logic Vote [Re: kaiowas]
    #3824388 - 02/23/05 10:25 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I'd say I agree with paradigm and whats wrong with a little competition, but it doesn't seem I have any :smile:


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Re: Logic Vote [Re: tomk]
    #3824396 - 02/23/05 10:27 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

They seem to think we're goatfuckers.  How'd they find out? :confused:


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Re: Logic Vote [Re: Silversoul]
    #3824650 - 02/23/05 11:09 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

From Weird Al "That goat doesn't love you!"


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Re: Logic Vote [Re: tomk]
    #3824694 - 02/23/05 11:15 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

If I was to vote, and I didn't agree with the outcome of the consensus, would that mean that I am "less logical"....?   

So logically thinking, DaMMiT, I refuse to vote....!    :tongue:


(MY kung-fu is stronger than YOUR kung-fu....)    :grin:

Best of luck the the "winner"....
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Re: Logic Vote [Re: tomk]
    #3824751 - 02/23/05 11:25 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I had a hard time deciding which person was more logical. It seemed pretty back in forth. Paradigm mentioned logic several times, and tomk had good points but I couldn't find any logic (either logical or illogical) Tomk used some emotional language and profanity and I started to doubt his rationality. Then there was a certain point where tomk switches tactics. He started using logic more often to point out flaws in Paradigm's thinking. It was at this same time that Paradigm seemed to loose the sense of logic he previously had, and started making (more) irrational arguments.

On style, tomk uses paragraph form and makes very good points. Paradigm uses selective quotation, and then responds under each. While Paradigm tek is good for shredding arguments by dismantling flowing ideas, he could have done a better job. Instead he takes a retort and tries to make it as witty as possible.

In tomk's last post, he actually addresses many of the logic flaws that I picked up from Paradigm's arguments. (I had originally been recording each time I found a flaw from each's arguments.)

In Paradigms final arguments, his last chance to pull out logic, he uses almost none. Rhetorics. Insults. etc.


Tomk wins, and gets my vote. Not only does he display superior logic in his final arguments, but he had been making good points all the way through. He was easy to follow.

Paradigm disappointed me. He has showed promise in the beginning but really screwed up in his final arguments. He did not address nearly any of the flaws tomk made towards the beginning.

EDIT: I took the time to read every post made by these two. I took over an hour to make sure I came to a clear decision.


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Re: Logic Vote [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #3824800 - 02/23/05 11:36 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

WoW, you took this seriously....!   

So, what does the "winner" win....?    :confused:



Edit:  I will donate one $BUCK$ to the "winner fund"....  :grin:


Edited by PhanTomCat (02/23/05 11:38 PM)


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Re: Logic Vote [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #3824871 - 02/23/05 11:50 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Ha ha paradigm the only other dude on the shoomery who understands logic voted for me neener neener neener :smile:

We need to have shoomery debates.  Get sponsers to buckle up syrniges and set a format and let people debate issues, only don't tell them what side they are on till it starts!  And don't let them pick.


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Re: Logic Vote [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #3824962 - 02/24/05 12:07 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Ok, I feel this warrants a response from me.  Of course I didn't respond to tomk's posts in their entirety, because certain parts were repetitive, others were irrelevant, and still others were subject to the same rebuttal I had given to another part of his post.  I would have responded to the posts in their entirety if it weren't for that stupid fucking quote limit(thanks a lot, admins! :razz:).

As for the witty insults at the end(ie "Remind me to slap your professor"), those were only in response to tomk's own claims of logical prowess, and not in response to any arguments he put forward.  Every argument of his I quoted, I responded to in kind with a logical rebuttal.  If you do not think so, I'd like to see a counterexample.


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Re: Logic Vote [Re: Silversoul]
    #3825020 - 02/24/05 12:15 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Hmmm...I just read through that thread again, and I realized I apparently misread tomk's goat argument. He's still wrong, but I didn't give it the proper rebuttal it deserved. I'll go do that now.


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Re: Logic Vote [Re: Silversoul]
    #3825044 - 02/24/05 12:18 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

You'd like to see a counterexample but your goatfucking ass wouldn't know a counterexample if it rode in on the goat you were fucking.


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Re: Logic Vote [Re: Silversoul]
    #3825112 - 02/24/05 12:27 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Paradigm said:
Hmmm...I just read through that thread again, and I realized I apparently misread tomk's goat argument. He's still wrong, but I didn't give it the proper rebuttal it deserved. I'll go do that now.



Done. Check the thread for new, revised rebuttal.


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Wisdom Vs. Humbleness Vs. Logic, Do they go "hand in hand in hand"....? [Re: tomk]
    #3825952 - 02/24/05 03:09 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

tomk said:
Ha ha paradigm the only other dude on the shoomery who understands logic voted for me neener neener neener :smile:




There are only TWO shroomerites that "understand logic"....?  :confused: + ironic....
:::::wonders how the good people of the Shroomery "understand" logic:::::

Well then....

TheShroomHermit + TomK
:bow:  :bow:  :bow:  :bow:  :bow:  :bow:


:confused:    Even tho~ I don't understand logic, I will STILL donate my $BUCK$ to the winner fund....  :smile:
UNLESS, your logic does not find that "logical"....  :confused:

Wait, Hhhhhmmmmmm....
::::just remembered that I am not a "follower"::::

Based on MY logic, I would say that your statement about "logic" deserves a rating to "logically" go along with your rating on "logic" (just to add a "logical" balance to the equation)....    :tongue:

TomK's LOGIC + WIT & TEXTICULAR PROWESS = :thumbup:
TomK's WISDOM + HUMBLENESS = :thumbdown:

:smirk:  :grin:  :wink:

Validation is a bitch, and filled with the illusion of self perception....  :wink:
:::::noticing that you didn't take note of any other votes against what you deemed "not in your favor":::::
:::::wondering if 38% constitutes "validation" of logic:::::

Ironically, I had to vote to get the vote count.... 
Any of you care to guess what I voted based out of your "logic"....? 
1 Rule:  without saying why you voted....  :grin:  :tongue2:

Call this a test of "logical attention span"....

ALL winners who respond to this get a $BUCK$....!!!!    :moneyeyes:


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