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Offlinefirsttimer101
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Soak and simmer alternative
    #3822237 - 02/23/05 02:54 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

First off I'd like to thank all those who've helped me out before, I'm totally inexperienced and have messed up more than I'd like to admit and the help I get here has kept me from quitting out of desperation.

I made the mistake of following Oss and Oerik's tek, which is full of mistakes. I filled Mason jars with 2/3 cup of rye and 1 cup of water, soaked then pressure cooked. I didn't realize you were suppose to strain the extra water out! As you can imagine, there was a ton of moisture in the jars and I've had a ton of contamination. So, I'm starting over..again.

Could I soak 2/3 cup of rye in 1 cup of water for 24 hrs, then strain out the excess water, skip the simmering, add maybe a 1/4 cup of water to the jar to ensure there will be enough moisture, then PC?


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Re: Soak and simmer alternative [Re: firsttimer101]
    #3822282 - 02/23/05 03:00 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Grains: Soak 18-24 hours. Drain, rinse, drip dry for 45min. Load PC and boom.

Some prefer to not soak and just simmer 40 minutes or something....Search soaking and simmering--plenty of info/opinions to over whelm you


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Re: Soak and simmer alternative [Re: dobinky]
    #3822830 - 02/23/05 04:59 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

i've had some success without soaking and just pcing for an hour. I've also botched some doing this. If you want to do it right soak for 12 -24 hours. strain and rinse with cold water. put it in a pot fill it up with water bring it to a boil and then simmer for aprox 45 min. (if your not sure what the grain should look like boil a cup of it and see what they look like when they explode.) You dont want them to explode. After simmering strain them rinse with cold water WELL! let sit in a strainer covered with foil for 15 min. I like to sit the strainer in the pot i was cooking them in and cover it with foil. Spoon the rye into jars cap and PC for 90 min. 1 hour min but to be sure 90 min. an extra 30 min now will keep you from being disapointed and waisting spores 2 weeks form now.
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Re: Soak and simmer alternative [Re: firsttimer101]
    #3822874 - 02/23/05 05:10 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I just soak in bulk. I soak 1 pint of wheat per qt jar.

The amount of water I use depends on the batch of the grains.

Some drink a lot more water, some don't. Some times there are more mature berries, and sometiimes not.

Fill pot up with grains. Add water to submerge grains. Check on it every 3-6 hours - feed them more water, they will soak it up, fast. Make sure to stir also. Then a good drain and rinse.

I would not add any water thats not soaked in the grains. If your simmering.

You don't always have to simmer for 45min either, depending on the soak/grains you might need to simmer for a shorter time.

There are some non-simmer teks being used with great results also.


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Re: Soak and simmer alternative [Re: Civ]
    #3823000 - 02/23/05 05:36 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Does the rye absorb much water from the soak alone? I'd like to avoid the simmering if I can, obviously, why go through an extra step if I don't have to? I don't want the rye to be too dry by the time I'm ready to case and have to redo my experiment for the third time. Can you do the soak, then rinse, then add maybe a 1/4 cup of water just to ensure that your water content will be sufficient?


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Re: Soak and simmer alternative [Re: firsttimer101]
    #3823193 - 02/23/05 06:11 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

If you case the rye directly you should simmer. Just soaking works if you spawn it or mix it with verm. You can not add a the 1/4 cup of water after the soak just to be sure. What happens if it was already right and it doesnt absorb that water? It would absorb some, but not all. Soaking and simmering, just simmering, just soaking, and just adding the rye and water to the jars and PCing are all methods people use succesfully. IMO you need to get your rye full of water though if your going to fruit directly off of it and simmering is the way to do it.


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Re: Soak and simmer alternative [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3823262 - 02/23/05 06:23 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I am going to try this, I hear soaking isn't nessisary.

http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/24332

Hopefully I get some spores soon too...


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Re: Soak and simmer alternative [Re: Sko]
    #3825828 - 02/24/05 02:36 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

it isn't :smile: I've never soaked a day in my life and I've had success since my first pc'd millet...you just gotta find the right water level for your source of millet(and I'm sure any other grain)

btw I use 350ml millet/200ml water

if you use millet start with that if you see a lot of sogginess in the bottom lower the amount...if not keep going higher till this happens to know how much it can hold(it all depends how dry it is originally)

and 1/4 teaspoon gypsum per 1lt or 1 qt jar :smile: (I also recommend putting the gypsum through a coffee grinder if getting it from dry wall)


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