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Am I the Only One Who Uses Passion Flower Instead of Cannabis?
    #3819315 - 02/22/05 11:06 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Is there no other person out there who has wondered if any other plants can lend themselves usefulness in the sense of temporary inebriation, sleep inducement, in a word - stoned? I don't mean a powerful thing like Salvia, I mean 3 hits in a pipe, wait a little while and it comes on. Passiflora Incarnata - Passion Flower - is 100% legal, costs about $1.25 an ounce, doesn't cause memory loss or apathetic syndrome as far as I can tell, tastes like low-grade cannabis and only works if THC has been eliminated from its monopolistic place in your synapses - but really works.

Not only does it get you stoned, and works as a sleep remedy, especially with 2 Valerian root capsules or 1.5 mg Melatonin, but there's more. It works as an anti-depressant agent for about 24 hours, with no need to build up levels in your system like pharmaceuticals. I discovered this in 1992 when a divorce caused me to take Deseryl and Atavan by prescription, and had to open my eyes with my fingers in the morning!

I toke as I type, and I have to tell you - if you're still free enough to quit cannabis for a few weeks and try something new, you'll laugh at how available, legal, and inexpensive this stuff is. It contains Harmine and Harmaline - once called Telepathine for its supposed ability to enhance mental telepathy. These are psychedelic substances.

So, tonight is a treat: a Robert Mondavi 2002 Cabernet Sauvignon, a bit of telly with my British Lady (CSI - Las Vegas on Spike), www.nugs.net Phish, a few hits of Passiflora and half a 3 mg Melatonin, and in a few minutes, slumberland.

But really, check out Passion Flower if you want an interesting experiment.


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Re: Am I the Only One Who Uses Passion Flower Instead of Cannabis? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #3819350 - 02/22/05 11:11 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Enjoy. :laugh:


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Re: Am I the Only One Who Uses Passion Flower Instead of Cannabis? [Re: TYL3R]
    #3819373 - 02/22/05 11:13 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

isnt it a MAOI?


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Re: Am I the Only One Who Uses Passion Flower Instead of Cannabis? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #3819395 - 02/22/05 11:17 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

hey man I've tried smokin it from a bong whilst shrooming...and i must say either the tea or smoking passionflower while shrooming can be VERY nice...

passionflower smoked alone I've tried but never got a "buzz". now i understand why :smile:.

on a side note...one time annie and i owned a home near my very straight laced parents. we had gave my parents a key to our house for "just in case". well annie and i had to rush out one time and i left a plate of passionflower i had been cleaning for shrooming. well my parents apparently came in and left a note saying hi, right by the plate...complete with rolling papers cuz i was trying to smoke it alone. heh well they never said anything but im sure they were "what in the darn heck is that? marewauna?" hehe


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Re: Am I the Only One Who Uses Passion Flower Instead of Cannabis? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #3819396 - 02/22/05 11:17 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I made tea with that stuff in lieu of anti-anxiety meds. You can smoke it??


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Re: Am I the Only One Who Uses Passion Flower Instead of Cannabis? [Re: fearfect]
    #3819423 - 02/22/05 11:20 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Am I the Only One Who Uses Passion Flower Instead of Cannabis? [Re: shnakboozy]
    #3819487 - 02/22/05 11:27 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

It contains harmaline, which is an MAOI.... harmaline is named for perganum harmala, or syrian rue, which you've probably heard of. :wink:


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Re: Am I the Only One Who Uses Passion Flower Instead of Cannabis? [Re: TinTree]
    #3819525 - 02/22/05 11:32 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

uh, doesn't harmine have it's own problems though?

never tried passion flower, maybe I will eventually...it bothers me that our gimmicky head-shop sells it along with catnip as a "marijuana substitute" though, makes it look kind of sleazy...


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Re: Am I the Only One Who Uses Passion Flower Instead of Cannabis? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #3819602 - 02/22/05 11:42 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I never smoke pot (last time was about 9 months ago). I should try this...thanks markos


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Re: Am I the Only One Who Uses Passion Flower Instead of Cannabis? [Re: Toricious]
    #3819666 - 02/22/05 11:50 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

head shops are dangerous.

they may want to get your head to sell :blush:


btw passionflower is GOOD for you in your brain parts.


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Re: Am I the Only One Who Uses Passion Flower Instead of Cannabis? [Re: Todcasil]
    #3819764 - 02/23/05 12:04 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

ganna check it out..thanks man
In case someone wonders what MAIO means...
http://www.anxiety-and-depression-solutions.com/maoi.htm


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Re: Am I the Only One Who Uses Passion Flower Instead of Cannabis? [Re: oDin]
    #3821033 - 02/23/05 07:41 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Don't misunderstand...it works alone. I was just trying to get a deep sleep. Melatonin not necessary. As it turned out, I had more consecutive and different dreams, and I was so active in sleep, my Lady had to wake me out of it. Now I'm sleepy - seems I wore m'self out dreaming.


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Re: Am I the Only One Who Uses Passion Flower Instead of Cannabis? [Re: Toricious]
    #3821037 - 02/23/05 07:43 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

We tried catnip in the late 60's - instant headache, nothing else. Passion Flower works. So do combinations with Damiana and Scullcap, but that's another story.


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Re: Am I the Only One Who Uses Passion Flower Instead of Cannabis? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #3821040 - 02/23/05 07:45 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

It grows in ditches on the side of almost every country road in the summertime here.


Where did you buy yours from? And what parts do you smoke if you gather your own from the wild.


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Re: Am I the Only One Who Uses Passion Flower Instead of Cannabis? [Re: shnakboozy]
    #3821045 - 02/23/05 07:50 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

It is an MAOI and one time we didn't take that into consideration and smoked after splitting a bottle of red wine. We got really stoned, and ended up lying on the sofas, eyes wide open, til 3 in the morning, unable or unwilling to get up. It seems we both had a rather hypotensive condition. Nothing serious resulted, but one needs to knows about foods that might interact with MAOI drugs. Three hits - a tiny pinch - is sufficient for me, and probably won't catalyze a dangerous situation. I've never tried brewing a tea but it would seem to require more herb.


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Re: Am I the Only One Who Uses Passion Flower Instead of Cannabis? [Re: Anonymous]
    #3821048 - 02/23/05 07:54 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

The caterpillars ate my out of existence. The flowers are very exotic and beautiful. Whole Foods stores carries it.


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Re: Am I the Only One Who Uses Passion Flower Instead of Cannabis? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #3821055 - 02/23/05 07:59 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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And what parts do you smoke if you gather your own from the wild.






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Re: Am I the Only One Who Uses Passion Flower Instead of Cannabis? [Re: Anonymous]
    #3821088 - 02/23/05 08:34 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Wow I had no idea the effects of PF were similar to that of cannabis.

I would definitely like to give it a try but I am currently on an SSRI
so I think thats a big NO. :thumbdown:


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Re: Am I the Only One Who Uses Passion Flower Instead of Cannabis? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #3821256 - 02/23/05 10:06 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I've been advocating this for a long while, I'm glad someone else knows whats up with the passionflower Markos. It grows everywhere wild here


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Re: Am I the Only One Who Uses Passion Flower Instead of Cannabis? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #3821607 - 02/23/05 12:09 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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MarkostheGnostic said:
Passiflora Incarnata - Passion Flower - is 100% legal, costs about  $1.25 an ounce, doesn't cause memory loss or apathetic syndrome as far as I can tell, tastes like low-grade cannabis and only works if THC has been eliminated from its monopolistic place in your synapses - but really works.



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I toke as I type, and I have to tell you - if you're still free enough to quit cannabis for a few weeks and try something new, you'll laugh at how available, legal, and inexpensive this stuff is. It contains Harmine and Harmaline - once called Telepathine for its supposed ability to enhance mental telepathy. These are psychedelic substances.



Harmine and Harmaline are MAOIs, they enhance a lot of things :wink:

However, passionflower has so very little harmine and harmaline, it is not really useful as an MAOI, especially in comparison to Syrian Rue.  There is a clinically measureable MAOI effect in Passiflora, but in practical use it is beyond miniscule.


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