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Offlinescatmanrav
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What about simmering first then soaking?
    #3819261 - 02/22/05 10:56 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

It would be easier for me if I could prepare the jars up the day I decide to instead of having to guess when I'm going to have the next day free to simmer and prep the jars. I dont see why you couldnt simmer the grain, strain it, mix it with verm (just something I do), load it into jars and then leave it sit for 24 hours before PCing. If the purpose of the soak is to let the nasty shit germinate, it should germinate just fine in the jar after being simmered..maybe even a little better because it reach simmering temps (required for some endospores to germinate I've heard). Whatcha think?


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Re: What about simmering first then soaking? [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3819441 - 02/22/05 11:23 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

what about wasting time and more time. Don't simmer, don't soak. its a big waste of time.


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Re: What about simmering first then soaking? [Re: Mycelium5150]
    #3819553 - 02/22/05 11:35 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

How the hell are you supposed to make the endospores germinate to kill them and get the water content right then?? jesus dude you have given this advice 2 times already that I can see....what The hell is wrong with you? You would think being here for as long as you have then you would give out good advice.


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Re: What about simmering first then soaking? [Re: Taskenti]
    #3819605 - 02/22/05 11:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

hey , once you have done this yourself then you can talk. try it both ways with 100 jars and compare. You might get 2 jars that contam due to endospores. To me that is alot of extra work to insure these 2 jars dont contam


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Re: What about simmering first then soaking? [Re: Mycelium5150]
    #3819614 - 02/22/05 11:44 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

well if this is all true then this site has misinformed me and I have now been correctly informed or somethin...did that sound right?


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Re: What about simmering first then soaking? [Re: Mycelium5150]
    #3819619 - 02/22/05 11:44 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Pouring water into a jar and letting it soak overnight is a lot of work?


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Re: What about simmering first then soaking? [Re: Taskenti]
    #3819655 - 02/22/05 11:48 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

this site is over cautious. Think of it like this. You have one jar with 3 cups of seed in it and you use 1 1/2 cups water. Lets say 2 cups of this seed is at 100% of its water retaining ability. The other cup is at 50%. Simmering might have given 95% water retention in all three cups of seed. So now you still have those 3 cups of seed with 1 1/2 cups water in it, some are full of water some not. You use this 3 cups of seed in the same casing. All the water is still accessible. Now simmering it might give you a little more water content but not much. A casing with the proper water content will give the seed the extra moisture it needs.


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Re: What about simmering first then soaking? [Re: Mycelium5150]
    #3819679 - 02/22/05 11:51 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

well the simmer I didn't disagree with you on, but I thought soaking was absolutely necessary to make sure endospores were germinated and easier to kill.


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Re: What about simmering first then soaking? [Re: Taskenti]
    #3819700 - 02/22/05 11:53 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

never soak birdseed. Maybe rye. AS for simmer, never do that at all. its time consuming


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Re: What about simmering first then soaking? [Re: Taskenti]
    #3819709 - 02/22/05 11:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I was also thinking about simmering frist scatman. I think I will try it and see how it works. I think i will do up some that way this weekend.


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Re: What about simmering first then soaking? [Re: pinkfloydms]
    #3819999 - 02/23/05 12:36 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I'll be trying some myself unless I hear someone telling me this won't work and explaining why.

Mycelium, thanks for the suggestions but I like soaking and simmering. I've tried it without, didnt like it, so this is what I do. This doesnt help me though or have anything to do with my question. Any other posts along the topic should go under their thread instead of this one.

If anyone has anymore to say along the lines of simmering first then letting the jars sit though feel free.

I'm probably gonna do up some batches like this and some batches just simmered then PCed the same day and see what happens. I've tried without simmering but water content ended up shitty so I definatly need to keep that in my steps..the soak I'm not so sure about though.


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Re: What about simmering first then soaking? [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3820031 - 02/23/05 12:41 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Scatman do you ever add any extra nutes to your WBS? What could you add?


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Re: What about simmering first then soaking? [Re: pinkfloydms]
    #3820177 - 02/23/05 01:02 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Well for spawning, just WBS and verm, you dont really need nutes..just a jar full of myc, then you add nutes. If fruiting directly from the grain though I do like 60% rye 20% WBS and 10% verm. No additional nutes are needed.


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Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
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Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay


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Re: What about simmering first then soaking? [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3820326 - 02/23/05 01:30 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I am gonna disagree with the advice to not soak. Next time you get a chance, soak some grains and notice how much they expand. I've noticed about a 33% increase in popcorn. I'm assuming this is water since the kernals weigh more after they've been soaked and drained. Now I've also tried just simmering non-soaked kernals for longer to see if I could the same amount of water in them. They seem to have a higher % of burst kernals without them really gaining a whole lot of berth compared to the soaked ones. Maybe it matters, maybe it don't. Just thought I'd share.


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Re: What about simmering first then soaking? [Re: ymhrswrider]
    #3820357 - 02/23/05 01:38 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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ymhrswrider said:
I am gonna disagree with the advice to not soak. Next time you get a chance, soak some grains and notice how much they expand. I've noticed about a 33% increase in popcorn. I'm assuming this is water since the kernals weigh more after they've been soaked and drained. Now I've also tried just simmering non-soaked kernals for longer to see if I could the same amount of water in them. They seem to have a higher % of burst kernals without them really gaining a whole lot of berth compared to the soaked ones. Maybe it matters, maybe it don't. Just thought I'd share.




Interesting. I want to experiment with soaking after the simmer so I will watch for this when I simmer the dry grains. I think if you heat up the water slowly though and dont cook it to hot you could get it to absorb water better.


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How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay


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Re: What about simmering first then soaking? [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3820398 - 02/23/05 01:47 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

personally i never simmer but i will not tell to anybody NOT to simmer.

I believe each one of us should do what works for him!

Scatmanrav i would suggest to you to experiment with this.
Make a few jars with soaking/simmering, others with just soaking, and others with no soaking/simmering just adding the right water and grain amount like Anno does (www.fungifun.org click to teks and go to grains).

Then you can see foryourself which is batter and faster at the same time for you


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Re: What about simmering first then soaking? [Re: Hamurabi]
    #3820404 - 02/23/05 01:49 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I tried Annos method before and ended up with dry grains. To much tweaking for me to deal with so simmering is definatly the way to go for me..I guess I will have to experiment with the soak though.


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Growing with bags, start to finish (including my new grain and substrate prep)
Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay


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