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Offlinepassitbobbie
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blue lotus parts and their potency
    #3816036 - 02/22/05 11:00 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I've had the pleasure of smoking blue lotus extract that I made from stamens and its one of my favorite plants. That being said I was wondering if anyone knew the relative potency of stamens to flowers.
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Re: blue lotus parts and their potency [Re: passitbobbie]
    #3823938 - 02/23/05 08:45 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Well preliminary tests (smoked both stamen extract and flower extract) seem to indivate that the stamen is not just more powerful, but much more powerful.

Stamen extract:
Smoked Stamen extract with sativa and drank a hard mike's. Had a nice lucid high with extreme case of the comfortables. 1/2 oz of stamens that had already been steeped in tea was enough for four doses supplemented with the above ingredients.

Flower extract:
Smoked all of it (28 grams extracted to 1.1g) with hash, but didn't drink alcohol. Had brief lucidity followed by some comfiness but once that passed smoking more didn't make me higher. Overral dissapointed with the flowers but I will dry the second extraction next week and try with alcohol to see if that is the "key" to having the full blue lotus experience.


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Re: blue lotus parts and their potency [Re: passitbobbie]
    #3824384 - 02/23/05 10:24 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Thank you for being a pioneer for Ethnobotanicals!


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Re: blue lotus parts and their potency [Re: passitbobbie]
    #3824431 - 02/23/05 10:35 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Wow I'd like to hear more about this actually. Could you maybe describe what it's like in more detail? Does it last long? Is it an agreeable smoke or is it harsh? Any after effects? Does it work well by itself?

I'm highly interested in trying out some of the other psychoactive plants. Cannabis is just too expensive for me to indulge in these days, and it's really not all that special when I do so.


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Re: blue lotus parts and their potency [Re: freddurgan]
    #3826304 - 02/24/05 08:09 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Thank you atma, but I can't say it hasn't been fun  :grin:

Fred the stamen experience was quite powerful, though I have never tried it without the weed + alcohol combo.  That being said it wasn't anywhere near the amount of weed a 2x-3x a day smoker normally smokes to get high.  The blue lotus extract has a very flowery, pleasant smell to it; when burned the smoke retains this quality.  I have smoked both in a bowl and in a joint (didn't expect it to work well because its an extract). 
Both times the effects kicked in a little after the weed.  Best described as really good sativa without any mental retardation, followed by a severe case of the comfortables.  I like the stamens very much.


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Re: blue lotus parts and their potency [Re: passitbobbie]
    #3826528 - 02/24/05 10:27 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Fred the stamen experience was quite powerful, though I have never tried it without the weed + alcohol combo.




you should try both without any other 'adulterant', it's difficult to say exactly
what the effects are or which is more potent what you are combining it with different drugs.


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Re: blue lotus parts and their potency [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #3826552 - 02/24/05 10:43 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Alright I read alot about Blue Lotus by itself on Erowid, and it sounds nice. But the one thing I did notice is that everybody makes tea out of it? Can you not just smoke the stamens? I'd rather just get a grinder and make a few joints/blunts out of the ground stamen. I enjoy the act of smoking very much.



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Re: blue lotus parts and their potency [Re: freddurgan]
    #3826842 - 02/24/05 12:17 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I've smoked cigarettes for more than 25 years, I dont enjoy it, the only
experience I've had with these flowers was steeped in wine, one glass gave
me a very pleasant feeling, I have a dozen in the fish tank I'm trying to get
started... hopefuly it goes well.


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Re: blue lotus parts and their potency [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #3827329 - 02/24/05 02:32 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Ok so wait..you've smoked Blue Lotus cigarretes for 25 years? Or just cigarretes? That was a confusing first sentence.


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Re: blue lotus parts and their potency [Re: freddurgan]
    #3827624 - 02/24/05 03:48 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

You can smoke the stamens or the extract... personally the extract just packs way more punch per hit so I use that. One of my friend diluted the blue lotus stamen extract in alcohol then drank that and had a good time off it.


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Re: blue lotus parts and their potency [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #3827648 - 02/24/05 03:51 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I would love to grow them.  How deep is your fish tank that you grow them in?  Is this kept indoors or outdoors?  If outdoors, what kind of climate do you have (does it snow where you live)?  What germination method did you use and how did you start them?

Thanks Pris :sun:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I take it you meant you smoked cigarettes for 25 years and don't enjoy smoking anymore and thus make the tea.


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Re: blue lotus parts and their potency [Re: theocean06]
    #3828632 - 02/24/05 07:18 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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I would love to grow them. How deep is your fish tank that you grow them in? Is this kept indoors or outdoors? If outdoors, what kind of climate do you have (does it snow where you live)? What germination method did you use and how did you start them?




the fishtank is 22 inches deep, but I'm only germinating them in the tank,
previously I had no algae in the tank and it's got a nice calming green hue
to it now, my algae eaters are happy about it.

I'm in zone 7, we get snow but our temps rarely fall below 10F, when I transfer
them to the ponds the'll be protected by the depth (@3 feet), for germinating
on this first batch, I've done nothing more than drop them in some composted
manure/mushroom compost, covered them with sand and submerged them...

you can always use the 5 gallon bucket to get them going, I've seen pics of
people flowering them in 5 gal buckets before so it's not just a temporary
container, you can overwinter the rhizomes in damp sand/sawdust in your fridge
and put them back out in the spring, just keep them from freezing

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I take it you meant you smoked cigarettes for 25 years and don't enjoy smoking anymore and thus make the tea.




yeah, cigaretts and marijuana, I started both at a very young age.


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Re: blue lotus parts and their potency [Re: passitbobbie]
    #3832338 - 02/25/05 11:54 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I've seen just the leaves for sale, and I assumed that people smoked the leaves? I guess you can do both :smile: I'm looking to get some seeds of this myself, I think it would be a beautiful and fun plant to grow :smile:


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Re: blue lotus parts and their potency [Re: agr8fulchick]
    #3832676 - 02/25/05 01:35 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

seeds are very scarce, tubers for the plant are even more so, people paying as much as $30 for each tuber


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Re: blue lotus parts and their potency [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #3832695 - 02/25/05 01:38 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I have some lotus seeds. They don't seem very scarce


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Re: blue lotus parts and their potency [Re: passitbobbie]
    #3832750 - 02/25/05 01:45 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you're smoking the stamens you're probably smoking Nelumbo nucifera and not Nymphaea caerulea?

You should try smoking it without any other psychoactive drugs and see if you still get effects.


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Re: blue lotus parts and their potency [Re: Ravus]
    #3833030 - 02/25/05 02:35 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I didn't mention the species but yes the stamens were Nelumbo Nucifera. I thought the flowers were the same species but they are Nymphae Caerulea. How did you discern this (i thought all plants had stamens)?

What I find interesting about all of this is that Nelumbo Nucifera has only 2 reports on erowid while Nymphae seems to be heavily tested. From what I have experienced I would say Nelumbo is much more potent. Would Nymphae have stamens? or vis-a-vis does Nelumbo have flowers? Just when I thought I had the answers ;p


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Re: blue lotus parts and their potency [Re: Stonehenge]
    #3833185 - 02/25/05 03:07 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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I have some lotus seeds. They don't seem very scarce




Nymphae Caerulea, is actualy a water lily, lotus seeds are much different
you can buy dried pods for a buck at craft stores.

Nymphae Caerulea, seeds are very small, where as lotus seeds are about 1/2 inch across.


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Re: blue lotus parts and their potency [Re: passitbobbie]
    #3833195 - 02/25/05 03:10 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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I didn't mention the species but yes the stamens were Nelumbo Nucifera. I thought the flowers were the same species but they are Nymphae Caerulea. How did you discern this (i thought all plants had stamens)?




the only thing I found regarding lotus stamens was Nelumbo, I wasnt sure
if these were the ones you were refering to but it's known as the sacred lotus
Nymphae, do have stamens but I've never tried anything with just the stamens.
I will if these I have decide to sprout, any flower that produces pollen, has stamens


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