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zahudulallah
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Prostitution
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Does government have any right to legislate sexual morality?
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niteowl
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The government dosent have a way to tax sex. Thats the only reason prostitution is illegal.
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I think skanks should be able to sell their body, but touch at your own risk because it's quite possible that her cooch is steaming.
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"Why should it be illegal to sell something that's perfectly legal to give away?" - George Carlin
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RandalFlagg
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Does government have any right to legislate sexual morality?
Under Khalifah (or however the hell you spell it) it does.
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zahudulallah
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we love us some whores
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Re: Prostitution [Re: Nemo_Hoes]
#3816582 - 02/22/05 11:37 AM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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The world's oldest profession will always be with us. In any American city you can look up whores on the internet, pick one of your choosing, and have her sent straight to your door.
Prostitution is pretty simple these days in the information age. It will always be with us. You might as well legalize it, regulate it for health reasons, and tax it for fiscal reasons. Beats the hell out of what we have now.
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Re: Prostitution [Re: niteowl]
#3817171 - 02/22/05 02:13 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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they can regulate and tax it. i imagine they do at the legal hostels in nevada.
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SoopaX
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Did you read your poll? It doesn't make sense. The "yes" answer indicates that they DO have the right, but it says that they don't.
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zahudulallah
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Re: Prostitution [Re: SoopaX]
#3817234 - 02/22/05 02:30 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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Should prostitution be legal?
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SWEDEN
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NO! It should not be illegal. I mean yes, It shouldn't not be legal? huh>>@?@
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SoopaX
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Most moral issues shouldn't be "legal", they should be decriminalized. I don't think we need a law passed to MAKE something legal, we just need to remove the laws that make it illegal.
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zahudulallah
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Re: Prostitution [Re: SoopaX]
#3817340 - 02/22/05 02:52 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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Currently convicted Johns are shamed by the system and generally humiliated for going to a prostitute.
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SWEDEN
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Have any of you seen the Ho Ho Ho Christmas edition of Cops where they go around baiting people into buying an undercover cop's services as a hooker? Every single one of those poor shmos asked, "are you a cop?" to which the hooker replies, "no, are you?" And he takes the bait and gets nabbed. Pretty sleazy way of catching law breakers if ya ask me. As bad as or worse than narcs.
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zahudulallah
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Re: Prostitution [Re: SWEDEN]
#3817364 - 02/22/05 03:00 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've seen alot of shows like that. One guy that they nabbed on cops was crying in shame, and the cops were getting a kick out of humiliating him by shouting "Do have any idea what these women have to go through?". I believe we're still living in the times of a sexual insquisition.
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Re: Prostitution [Re: SoopaX]
#3817842 - 02/22/05 04:39 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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SoopaX said: Most moral issues shouldn't be "legal", they should be decriminalized. I don't think we need a law passed to MAKE something legal, we just need to remove the laws that make it illegal.
Pop quiz, everyone: What's the opposite of illegal?
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SoopaX
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Passing MORE laws that make it "legal" sounds like a great liberal scheme. Lets just remove the laws that make it illegal.
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Re: Prostitution [Re: SoopaX]
#3817984 - 02/22/05 05:09 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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You don't need laws to make something legal, except to repeal the laws which make it illegal. Could you tell me what law makes it legal for you to eat an apple?
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zahudulallah
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Re: Prostitution [Re: SoopaX]
#3818047 - 02/22/05 05:19 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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SoopaX said: Passing MORE laws that make it "legal" sounds like a great liberal scheme. Lets just remove the laws that make it illegal.
Refrain from posting while you're drinking next time please.
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SoopaX
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Why are you proving my point for me? For whatever reason, I thank you. I don't want a LAW saying that prostitution is allowed, just as I don't want a LAW stating that eating an apple is allowed. It's the same thing. I don't want the government to feel like it's got to make a canonical list of all actions and deem them right or wrong.
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Re: Prostitution [Re: SoopaX]
#3818595 - 02/22/05 06:49 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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The only point being proven here is that you have a gross misunderstanding of what legalization means. Legalization means repealing the laws which make something illegal. That's all. There are no laws on the books which declare something to be legal, nor is anyone advocating such a thing. That would be a waste of time. Any law that is passed is a restriction on what is legal, not an enumeration thereof.
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Paradigm said: Any law that is passed is a restriction on what is legal, not an enumeration thereof.
Hmmm
So the 21st amendment to the Constitution does not exits?
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Silversoul
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Re: Prostitution [Re: Cyber]
#3818843 - 02/22/05 07:33 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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Amendment XXI
Section 1. The eighteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed.
Section 2. The transportation or importation into any state, territory, or possession of the United States for delivery or use therein of intoxicating liquors, in violation of the laws thereof, is hereby prohibited.
Section 3. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by conventions in the several states, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission hereof to the states by the Congress.
As I said, legalization simply means the repeal of laws which make something illegal. The 21st amendment is not an enumeration of the right to drink.
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Re: Prostitution [Re: Cyber]
#3818953 - 02/22/05 07:52 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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My chief objection to the illegalisation of prostitution (other than my belief that issues pertaining to consensual sexual activity should not be legislated upon) is that there is no recognition of its inevitability or the patent absurdity of trying to stamp it out.
For much the same reason as drug addicts turn away from authorities who could otherwise offer them some assistance, many prostitutes become, de facto, an unjustly criminalised underclass of citizens who are afforded a sub-par level of legal protection and often live at the mercy of pimps and pushers. In many cases, the traffic of drugs and the traffic of human life for sexual exploitation are conducted by the same depraved merchants. Bereft of anyone else to turn to, they simply fall through the cracks of society. I am not suggesting that legalising prostitution would end this dismal scenario, but it would certainly result in fewer unnecessary arrests (thereby allowing a diversion of police resources to more important matters, such as violent crime).
I do think that prostitution - legal or otherwise, regulated or not - exploits its (overwhelmingly female) workers, but entering a regulated prostitution industry would ultimately be a matter of individual choice. I would even support a sex workers' union which fought for safer working environments and access to health services. At the very least, one cannot dispute that a regulated establishment would provide a much more secure working environment than an inner-city back alley.
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Re: Prostitution [Re: SoopaX]
#3820261 - 02/22/05 11:15 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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SoopaX said: Most moral issues shouldn't be "legal", they should be decriminalized. I don't think we need a law passed to MAKE something legal, we just need to remove the laws that make it illegal.
Well.....if there is no law against it....isn't that making it legal?
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You may legislate prohibitions against certain behavior, you may legislate forcing others to act in a certain manner, you may legislate forcing others to pay for certain behavior, but none of these makes people's actions moral. Morality is a matter of choice, if a person is coerced into a behavior, he is not acting morally, at least not any more than a dog who is encouraged with a whip.
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zahudulallah
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Where does government draw the line? There was a time when homosexuality was outlawed and the majority of society believed it to be rightly outlawed because it represented a "moral threat" to society. Prostitution appears to be outlawed for the same reason, as society appears to still believe that selling sex is morally wrong. In terms of legislation, politicians simply use junk science to keep it illegal, often referring to the abuse of prostitutes by johns, etc.
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phi1618
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Ok... who voted no? Come on out and explain yourselves.
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Prosgeopax
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zahudulallah said: Where does government draw the line?
The government has no business getting involved in any act where all parties consent.
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In terms of legislation, politicians simply use junk science to keep it illegal, often referring to the abuse of prostitutes by johns, etc.
I think a more appropriate term would be 'bullshit rationalizations.' Examining jurisdictions where prostitution is legal quickly dispels these lies.
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I didn't bother to read anything that has been posted... But, I believe although it is against my morals that one shouldn't be able to mandate what one does with their own body... Their have been multiple examples where prostituion has been legalized and it has in fact helped stem the disease spreading vector by "screening" for diseases therby limiting the spread of infections. (I did an essay in my English class regarding this).
As for morality, as i said I don't believe in the use of prostiutes however, it isn't the governments job to limit a persons freedom to do as they please, and as long as their is the desire, their will be the said use of prostitutes. Until that is eliminated from society, (I'm a realist, don't count on the desire for cheap thrills to be eliminated soon) it shall still be a problem. The governments duty should instead be to protect it's citizens to the best of it's capability, instead of mandating morality.
Ultimately, what we are doing now is just backasswards imo, because all we're doing is tossing the prostitutes in jail, with little reproach to solving the issue at hand. What is needed is to ensure that those who are in fact "using" so to speak prostitutes are in fact protected rather then to demonize them. The same thing applies to the drug war in the respect that nothing is being achieved by making it a criminal activity other then filling up our prisons, and burdening our system, where instead our ultimate purpose should be to allow such freedoms to those that are within the system, (regardless of our inherent moral/ethical/religious beliefs) provided that they are not a detriment to our society, nor to themselves.
Sometimes I think that we all want to have a fucked up system of dealing with our own ills, or so it seems. I'm spiritual, but not religious, and I firmly believe that the government shouldn't be swayed by such influences (religion), but instead have an objective outlook on what is best for the people. Such that a democracy's purpose should be freedom of all religions, the only way to achieve such is to deviate from relgious influences in context of our Laws.
/end rant
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Edited by Psychoactive1984 (02/23/05 04:17 PM)
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