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 McMan
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#387659 - 09/07/01 01:40 AM (23 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Hydrapod test in progress [Re: McMan]
#388351 - 09/07/01 10:22 PM (23 years, 4 months ago) |
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WORKMAN any pictoral updates on the fruiting of those cakes in the POD. Very curious to see how each species performed!!!!
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 Workman
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Re: Hydrapod test in progress [Re: ]
#388404 - 09/07/01 11:43 PM (23 years, 4 months ago) |
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Not much difference than in the earlier pictures. I'll post a photo when something dramatic happens. Hang in there. I pulled out the center Puerto Rican cake since it was panning and just didn't look like it was going to do much. Its a neat picture so I'll post that.
The bluish looking seedy areas are where the mycelium has collapsed and looks suspiciously like a mold infection, but isn't. You can see a few aborted pins that formed on day three in the pod but never grew any further. I have reduced the temperature in the pod and expect to see some fruits soon. The Ecuador cake looks especially promising.
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McMan
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#388435 - 09/08/01 12:15 AM (23 years, 4 months ago) |
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Jammer
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Re: Hydrapod test in progress [Re: Workman]
#388452 - 09/08/01 12:35 AM (23 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dude, please dont take this personal..... but, from the looks of those pics, if those cakes get more hot you could have a great side dish for a home cook dinner!
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Re: Hydrapod test in progress [Re: McMan]
#388597 - 09/08/01 10:00 AM (23 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't think you can stop the P.Rican from doing that, growing into the grow rocks. That is a prime example of the limitation of going HYDRO. Imagine if it was some kind of nutrient solution in the reservoir, the mycelium would have run right through it. Keep us updated, thanks.
How about those weilii, any pins on the manure substrate?
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#388599 - 09/08/01 10:05 AM (23 years, 4 months ago) |
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McMan
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#388609 - 09/08/01 10:18 AM (23 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Hydrapod test in progress [Re: McMan]
#388628 - 09/08/01 10:55 AM (23 years, 4 months ago) |
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I was refering to the P.Rican spore race, it is very aggresive!!!!
And was just expressing the view that if you were adding extra nutrients, via the reservoir, like a true HYDRO set-up, you would see alot more of that. Those Ricans continue to grow mycelium until all the nutrients are exhausted. They grow right up the sides of your tray. When done in casings, you have to put a very large casing layer down, and they still can run right through it!!!
It was a spore race specific problem, not a system problem!!!
MCMAN , during your tests with nutrients, you had no problems with mycelium growing into the rocks? Were the nutrients added after pinning was visible, or from the beggining? Just curious!!! I don't see what the barrier would be, what is the geo-lite manufactured from?
I'm trying to understand what the reason would be for the mycelium halting it's growing, I know it is not just temperature, because mycelium will continue to grow at temperatures below 70 degrees F. Pinning is related to nutrient deprivation more than temperature induction. I think temperature induction is based more on the internal temperatures of the colonized cake. As the mycelium is rapidly growing it gives off heat, once nutrients are becoming more scarce, the mycelium slows it's growth, and the internal temperatures of the cake or casing, drop dramaticaly. Temperature mainly effects the rate of growth. But to completely stop mycelial growth by just lowering your temps?
What other barriers, maybe it is just the oxygen barrier in the pore space of the geo-lite. Very curious!!!
Gotta love those Rhizomorphs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Edited by Teonan on 09/08/01 12:10 PM.
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McMan
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#388632 - 09/08/01 11:03 AM (23 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Hydrapod test in progress [Re: McMan]
#388643 - 09/08/01 11:17 AM (23 years, 4 months ago) |
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No , I wasn't stating that they grow in colder climates. I'm trying to figure out what the barrier is that stops most spore races from growing into the rocks, certainly wondering why when you added more nutrient to the reservoir. It is not about temperature!!!!
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#388657 - 09/08/01 11:45 AM (23 years, 4 months ago) |
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CLuB99
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Re: Hydrapod test in progress [Re: Workman]
#388785 - 09/08/01 03:27 PM (23 years, 4 months ago) |
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workman, is a digital camera that you use to take those pics?? yes?? which brand-model??
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Re: Hydrapod test in progress [Re: McMan]
#388870 - 09/08/01 06:23 PM (23 years, 4 months ago) |
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A refridgerator is 40 F or less. I even have cultures on petris that continue to grow a bit at that temp, before haulting. We are talking about 68- 90 F. I have also picked cubies growing in the 50F range. Temperature regulates how slow or fast a colony grows. Nutrient deprivation, and in some species depletion is the ultimate trigger. When a colony approaches the deprivation level of nutrients it naturally will have lower temperatures at the core of the colony. Regardless of the ambient temperatures of the surrounding environment, growth is already coming to a stop, pins are initiated, they swell with water and you got shrooms. How can they revert to vegatative growth, with no more food to grow? Temperature has a greater role in initiation of cold climate shrooms, like Azures. But tropical and subtropical shrooms?
Cubensis?
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Re: Hydrapod test in progress [Re: ]
#388889 - 09/08/01 06:41 PM (23 years, 4 months ago) |
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Azures have an almost unlimited supply of nutrients, they colonize would chips. Teperature and moisture determine how quickly they colonate that pile of wood chips. Every year is different in those respects, so the colony gets bigger at different rates. It is in a limitless nutient pool, so something else would have to trigger fruiting, like temperature and humidity.
Cubensis is subtropical, and it will fruit all year long if moisture is available, and the pins are protected from excessive evaporation. Where do you find the most cubies in a field, in pockets of tall grass, they are trapping in moisture, maintaining a high humidity, and protecting them from an excessive evaporation rate. Now I am not saying you are gonna find any fruiting, under sustained Temperatures Above or below an established range. Like when it is freezing outside. By that time the colony has stopped doing anyhting, veg. or fruit. But temperature is far less important in cubie culture. Nutrient availability is the primary mechanism for pin initiation!!!!! Cubies grow in July, you just have to find wet fields, with good grass cover. But in culture, you can always give them exactly what they need.
Pins were already formed on the cakes in the pods, they were just not developing. I think that has very little to do with the Temperature they were at, looks more like an evaporation rate problem. Because cubies will fruit at much colder temps then workman had his at. They will also fruit at higher temperatures.
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Workman
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Re: Hydrapod test in progress [Re: CLuB99]
#388920 - 09/08/01 07:43 PM (23 years, 4 months ago) |
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The camera is a Sony Mavica FD85. It uses standard floppy disks for storage media. The camera works good in adequate light but gets grainy in poor light conditions without a flash. Its not a high end camera, merely 1.3 megapixels, but it is fine for online posting and webwork.
I am beginning to agree with Teonan on the cake fruiting problem in the pod. I suspect poor evaporations rates for the pin stalling. Perhaps a larger air pump and less water cycling is the key.
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#389092 - 09/09/01 12:04 AM (23 years, 4 months ago) |
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 Re: Hydrapod test in progress [Re: McMan]
#389129 - 09/09/01 01:21 AM (23 years, 4 months ago) |
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I could see where newbies fucking up the HydraPod and its parameters could be "excusable"- they don't know what they're doing. But this is WORKMAN we're talking about here! Anyone ELSE ever check out a site called SporeWorks.com??! Anyone ELSE just "know" Workman knows his shit?
* Anyone else concerned that a 2 degree shift in temperature ranges makes the HydraPod useless? (Anyone else live in the hothouse required to keep the HydraPod at optimal temps?)
* Anyone else concerned that there seems to be a million "reasons" given why the HydraPod doesn't work, and nothing but McMan's word that we're "doing it wrong" to back him up?
* Anyone else think it's not as easy as promised? In fact, that it's damn near impossible to get a pin off this thing?
* Anyone else think the Keeper's shrooms on the STP site look better than the shrooms we've seen the HydraPod put out?
Anyone else think to themselves, "Why does it seem that the only one getting results off the HydraPod is McMan?"
I love the idea that a pod like this exists, in theory at least. But, seeing the high failure rate of newbies and professionals alike, it seems to be more of a problem with the product than the consumer.
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Re: Hydrapod test in progress [Re: Muckraker]
#389145 - 09/09/01 01:54 AM (23 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think you may be jumping a bit far to reach your conclusions Muckraker. It seems in your haste to bash McMan you missed that in workman's post he said
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I have reduced the temperature in the pod and expect to see some fruits soon. The Ecuador cake looks especially promising.
If it dosent work you'll hear about it. I think that many could agree that workman is going to post his results without bias. Mabye before running around like the town crier shouting "ripoff" why not just wait for this crop to unfold, hear workman's response and then, react. I think that McMan's offer of a refund to anyone who wants it MORE than fair. In the meanwhile, relax...you'll live longer.
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-Nietzsche Edited by Dystopian Harbinger on 09/09/01 02:56 AM.
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Jammer
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Re: Hydrapod test in progress [Re: Muckraker]
#389197 - 09/09/01 04:14 AM (23 years, 4 months ago) |
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Who are you? Your not a compeating vedor or you? I see that this is your first post with this handle.
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