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 A nice mind-blowing thought to ponder upon 
#381412 - 08/29/01 12:07 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey heres one thought that i am fascinated with right now.
You all remember the matrix, when neo "wakes up" and is in that giant powerhouse colony with all those people hooked up? Or you remember The Truman Show....how do we know that our lives arent like that...How do we know that everyone else in the world really exists, and that they arent some dillusion in our own minds....that opens up crazy possibilities and thoughts doesnt it? I spent like 2 hours talking about this at least on my last shroom journey, a little freaky at first, but really fascinating at the same time. That would mean that everything that we know in life is all just some kind of crazy dream..which then begs the question of what are we?
Hallucinogens make shit move and pulsate and drip....its like the reality that has been placed in front of our eyes is melting away and we get a glimpse at whats really going on behind the curtains.
Im guessin this has been discussed a million times, but i got the urge to type out what i was thinkin just now :).
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"Human suffering has been caused because all too many of us cannot grasp that words are only tools for our use, and that the mere presence of a word in the dictionary does not mean it necessarily refers to something definitive in the real world"
--Richard Dawkins, "The Selfish Gene"
"It is the mind which creates the world about us, and even though we stand side by side in the same meadow, my eyes will never see what is beheld by yours."
-George Gissing
"Without a firm idea of himself and the purpose of his life, man cannot live, and would sooner destroy himself than remain on earth, even if he was surrounded by bread."
--Fyodor Dostoevsky
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 Re: A nice mind-blowing thought to ponder upon [Re: Kremlin]
#381430 - 08/29/01 12:50 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yep, it's entirely possible that the world we see is just an illusion. After all the world you see is not necesserely the world i see.....in fact you could even be a figment of my imagination, or vice versa. One thing i am certain of is that there is more to the universe than any of us can comprehend with the 5 senses that we posses.
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Re: A nice mind-blowing thought to ponder upon [Re: Revelation]
#381580 - 08/29/01 04:35 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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thats exactly what im talking about...everything could just be a figment of our imaginations...thats fucking crazy shit, hehe
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"Human suffering has been caused because all too many of us cannot grasp that words are only tools for our use, and that the mere presence of a word in the dictionary does not mean it necessarily refers to something definitive in the real world"
--Richard Dawkins, "The Selfish Gene"
"It is the mind which creates the world about us, and even though we stand side by side in the same meadow, my eyes will never see what is beheld by yours."
-George Gissing
"Without a firm idea of himself and the purpose of his life, man cannot live, and would sooner destroy himself than remain on earth, even if he was surrounded by bread."
--Fyodor Dostoevsky
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Re: A nice mind-blowing thought to ponder upon [Re: Kremlin]
#381650 - 08/29/01 06:07 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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Watch the movie "The 13th Floor". It's crazy like what you're talking about.
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Re: A nice mind-blowing thought to ponder upon [Re: Kremlin]
#381651 - 08/29/01 06:09 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's messed. When I was younger I always thought that everyone I knew could have been robots, and I'm being tested or something like that. You guys aren't robots are you?
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Re: A nice mind-blowing thought to ponder upon [Re: Kremlin]
#381663 - 08/29/01 06:25 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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"I would like to give you an example: Buddhism presents the idea that all the phenomena of human society are illusions (maya), and not solid. How can they be illusory? Those objects are so real and tangible. How can you say that they are false? In fact, the existing form of an object is different from its manifestations, but our eyes have the capacity to stabilize the object in our physical space into the state we have now seen. Actually, it is not in such a state, not even in this space of ours. For example, what does the human body look like under a microscope? You will find the whole body is made up of loose and moving molecules, which are like grains of sand, small and roundish, with electrons moving around the atomic nuclei. The whole body is wriggling and moving. And the surface of the body is not smooth or regular. Any object in the universe, steel, iron or stone, is all the same, as the molecular composition in it is in motion and the whole formation is invisible to you. It is actually unstable. This table is also wriggling, but our eyes cannot see the truth. They can only give us a delusion."
"The eyes have no other great abilities except that they can stabilize the things we have in the physical space into such a state. When one sees something, the image of the object does not form in the eyes directly. The eyes, which are like a camera lens, only serve as a tool. When taking a picture at a distance, the camera lens becomes longer. Our eyes also have such a function. When one looks in the dark, his pupils become larger. When taking a picture in the dark, the aperture of the camera has to become larger as well; otherwise, with insufficient exposure, the photo will turn out to be black. When one comes to a very bright place, his pupils become smaller rapidly; otherwise, dazzled by the strong light, he cannot see clearly. Using the same principle, the aperture of the camera also has to be made smaller. Therefore, as a tool, it can only take in the image of an object. When we actually look at something, a person or the existing form of an object, it is in the brain that the image of it is formed. In other words, we see through the eye and the image it receives is conveyed through the optic nerve to the pineal body which is located in the back half of the brain and appears in that region. That is to say, it is the pineal body of the brain that actually reflects the image and sees an object. Modern medical science also has come to realize this."
these paragraphs where taken from the book of Zhaun Falun chapter 2 - issue of the celestial eye
it is said that we are placed on this earth trapped in a maze with two eyes that cannot even see the maze
the book of Zhuan Falun is from the practice of Falun Dafa
check out the pages. everythings completely free
http://www.falundafa.org/
for a link strait to Zhuan Falun
http://www.falundafa.org/book/eng/zfl_01.htm
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Re: A nice mind-blowing thought to ponder upon [Re: Monkah]
#381777 - 08/29/01 09:24 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey thats crazy as hell man....a friend of mine once bad tripped HARD when he started thinking about how everything was made of a bunch of loose atoms and shit...so i think id stay clear of that on my next trip, but crazy to think about, definately.
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"Human suffering has been caused because all too many of us cannot grasp that words are only tools for our use, and that the mere presence of a word in the dictionary does not mean it necessarily refers to something definitive in the real world"
--Richard Dawkins, "The Selfish Gene"
"It is the mind which creates the world about us, and even though we stand side by side in the same meadow, my eyes will never see what is beheld by yours."
-George Gissing
"Without a firm idea of himself and the purpose of his life, man cannot live, and would sooner destroy himself than remain on earth, even if he was surrounded by bread."
--Fyodor Dostoevsky
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Re: A nice mind-blowing thought to ponder upon [Re: Kremlin]
#381895 - 08/30/01 01:23 AM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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Is this really the first time you guys thought stuff like this? I used to think about this shit when I was six. No wonder I'm such a skeptic.
Guess I read too much sci-fi as a kid.
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Re: A nice mind-blowing thought to ponder upon [Re: Kid]
#381916 - 08/30/01 02:24 AM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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yah man i can relate to you there on the 6 thing...i actually used to get scared when i thought of shit like that late at night....but society taught me to ignore such foolish thoughts, until Shrooms released my mind again.
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"Human suffering has been caused because all too many of us cannot grasp that words are only tools for our use, and that the mere presence of a word in the dictionary does not mean it necessarily refers to something definitive in the real world"
--Richard Dawkins, "The Selfish Gene"
"It is the mind which creates the world about us, and even though we stand side by side in the same meadow, my eyes will never see what is beheld by yours."
-George Gissing
"Without a firm idea of himself and the purpose of his life, man cannot live, and would sooner destroy himself than remain on earth, even if he was surrounded by bread."
--Fyodor Dostoevsky
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Re: A nice mind-blowing thought to ponder upon [Re: Kremlin]
#381917 - 08/30/01 02:24 AM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey thats crazy as hell man....a friend of mine once bad tripped HARD when he started thinking about how everything was made of a bunch of loose atoms and shit...
It goes further than that. Those atoms are made up of subatomic particles, which are essentially points of energy which lack dimension. Quantum physics has proven that at the sub atomic level, space does not exist in the way way understand it, and all these particles (if you can really call them that) are connected via a higher dimensional mechanism, and they can communicate with each other and react accordingly.
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Re: A nice mind-blowing thought to ponder upon [Re: Kid]
#381922 - 08/30/01 02:32 AM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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When I was about 5 or 6 I believed that everyone always knew what I was thinking, but was keeping it a secret from me.
At about 9, I started believeing that reality was like a dream, and everything around me was created by my imagination (I can remember the exact point I came to this conclusion)
I recently learned that both of these are common features of schitzophrenia. I was a very confused child.
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Re: A nice mind-blowing thought to ponder upon [Re: Phyl]
#381930 - 08/30/01 02:42 AM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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There are infinte worlds in the smallest know sub atomic particle of finger. Infinite goes both ways, large and small. That's tricky to try and grasp all at once, but being that your brain is infinite, it should be possible. Probably easier when your spun.
Dr. Seuss wrote a book about the same theory, although somewhat dumbed down for kids, i forget the title.
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Re: falund dafa [Re: Monkah]
#381971 - 08/30/01 05:48 AM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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i used to practice meditation with some falun dafa practiioners at my uni. i'd just show up and sit with them and do their practice. then they gave me those two books... i fealt like i was reading propaganda from a cultish dictator on acid....not to say that it is all 'wrong' or crazy, but it was realy out there, like a whole new story to this game of life that seemed incredibly unfounded even from it's roots in buddhism and toaism, from which Li Hongzhi has made some radical steps. i know there's a lot of crap goin on over falun dafa which shouldn't be, but in any case, i had to step back from that stuff. it may do it for others, but i just can't put my faith in something that i have no experience with as to understand it for myself. all the more love to those who live out it's principles- truthfullness, benevolence, forbearence- but it seems to me that many people follow it blindly like any other religion- the 3 monotheistic ones for example.
not to bash or anything, just thought it was relevent..
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Re: A nice mind-blowing thought to ponder upon [Re: Phyl]
#382055 - 08/30/01 10:09 AM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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I used to think in terms of solipsism also when I was a kid. Like the world was just made for me and it was some kind of weird test and one day I'd become king of the world.
Anyway, I dunno, when I discuss The Matrix with anyone, they also talk about how much the idea of the false reality freaked them out for days. Those are the ideas that I think about normally (it's weird that a child's thoughts can be thought of as "so deep"; as a few people who I described them too thought they were).
I guess it's just really that now the wacky ideas don't cause me anxiety and they're not something I ponder in a way as to alter my behaviour (unless of course, I were looking for a lame rationalizations for an "immoral" act)...
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Re: A nice mind-blowing thought to ponder upon [Re: Kremlin]
#382092 - 08/30/01 11:38 AM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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I thought as well about these things and came to my conclusion that we cant see "the truth" or the real universe we live in. All we see is a projection of the real universe done by our mind. Like some 3-Dimensional objects are projected to fit on a 2D screen. We dont see 3d if we watch the screen, but we tend to believ its 3d.
Perhaps drugs change our view parameters :-)
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its completely understandable.
falun dafa is definatly not forevery one.
and your right alot of people do follow it like a mindless cult.
as will always be the case with some people in certain religions.. i mean.. look where the christians are now.
alot of the things in the books ive had thoughts on way before i read anything from it. my thinking before i was introduced into falun dafa was basicly the same. so when i read these books it was something i could relate too and something that i knew was for me.
the books have just mainly shaped my ideas that i had before for the better of myself and others.
im not saying i thought exactly like the book , but things they talk about such as demonic interference use to happen ot me alot during meditation, and i came to the conclusion that fear was merely a filter made from society to keep me from reaching further into "truth". so then on ignored it.
i should exsplain im not talking about life threating fear. but the kind of fear that keep you from pushing yourself further.
such things as this..
but you are right it is not for everyone and not everyone can grasp the concepts or even dont want too.
but i think in no way the books are bad. there meant only to show one how to better ones self. i think alot of the examples throw people off that they give from toaism and other religions. and it can seem radical and like a new side of life at first because as they say.. normal people are just that normal and they cant reach the things that cultivators can. if they could then they would not be normal. and the normal way cannot be tampered with. not without bad results.
no worry though, i took nothing you said offensive.
my only thoughts are that you at least learned a little something from the books.
it goes as it may...
-monkah
ohh.. another question.. did you read the books all the way through? i know alot of people read the first two chapters and then skim through the rest. wich causes alot of mix up. they exsplain some things towards the end that effect things said in the begining.
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Re: A nice mind-blowing thought to ponder upon [Re: Kid]
#382168 - 08/30/01 02:12 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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i can relate to the being young and thinking "odd"
when i was about 7 or so i had this dream of my whole life and i woke up and felt as though i knew Everything that would happen to me and what i was going to do with my life and when i would die.
so for a couple years i was severly afraid that i would "wake up" again and have it only be a dream inside a dream.
as if each time i died in the dreams i woke up in reality and the process started over.
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Re: A nice mind-blowing thought to ponder upon [Re: Kremlin]
#382170 - 08/30/01 02:17 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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anyone ever see "tv fuzz" when its dark or lights are dim.. or specialy when your f'd-up.
i use to see it this way all the time. but now they look like diamonds to me.. millions and millions of them all reflecting light off each other. each at the exact perfect angel to reflect every other.
to me they make up this "tv screen" in front of my real eyes
i say tv screen because when its dim or dark and i see these "diamonds" theres no deminsion on them. if you look at something close.. say hold your hand up.. the fuzz on that is the same as on the wall behind your hand. theres no depth or change but its still on each the same.
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Re: A nice mind-blowing thought to ponder upon [Re: Monkah]
#382177 - 08/30/01 02:28 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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All i know is when i'm spun, TV snow is one of the best things to watch, turn the volume down listen to some tunes, and it goes along with the music. I couldn't belive the shit i saw in there!
It even got to the point where i could contol it with the magnetic energy of my hands.
Crazy SHIT!!!!!
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Re: A nice mind-blowing thought to ponder upon [Re: MeltingPenguin]
#382183 - 08/30/01 02:42 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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penguin, next time you should try using those "magnectic forces" on your visional tv. not a tv within a tv. understanding is the first concept to be able to change.
theres many wheels within wheels in life and to get out into the next you have to understand the one your in.
(although with drugs some people stumble out.. or get shot out like a rocket 100 wheels up) ;x
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Re: A nice mind-blowing thought to ponder upon [Re: Monkah]
#382190 - 08/30/01 02:51 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, I did that too, Not only myself, but my friends could see the energy flowing between my hands. Its like reading aura's you blur your eyes, and you can see the energy of a life force or a crystal. By concentraiting my chakras(i know i can't spell) i was able to focus my energy between my hands, and use it to effect other people.
I'm no white mage, but i think this is how holisitc healers heal. I'd have to get a lot better at it before i could start cureing anyone effectivly though
;-) I love the TV within me
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Re: A nice mind-blowing thought to ponder upon [Re: Kremlin]
#382281 - 08/30/01 05:36 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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When I was young, not sure of age, i'd say 8-10, I thought that everyone couldn't think like i could. I imagined a day when i would grow up and everyone would say, "hey, we aren't real, your the only real thing in the world", then they would crown me king. It's amazing that i woudl think about that as a kid. I also used to think that parents and old people got magical powers when they grew up, i used to think they could read my mind ( i know someone said this in their post before).
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Re: A nice mind-blowing thought to ponder upon [Re: Kremlin]
#382460 - 08/30/01 10:30 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why don't you just shoot yourself in the face and find out?
does anyone take the time to realize you're under the influence of something that is altering your brain chemistry, even if only a few hours. Do you think that your brain, swimming in psycilocybin or L.S.D, really sees anything.
Have you ever felt the walls melt? did you walk through the wall? You keep asking these questions, and you're building a wall away from enlightenment, not walking towards it.
I'm sorry if this seems offensive, but that has been asked a million times, and I still haven't seen anyone stop bullets...
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Re: A nice mind-blowing thought to ponder upon [Re: Crasher]
#382470 - 08/30/01 10:40 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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oh, by the way, I can focus on aura's too, and I've seen energy everywhere.. I love that!! I used to think like this when I was a kid, so scared that everyone could read my thoughts. I made a mental stronghold. I imagined a slide in my room I could take down 2 stories, where another room awaited. It was always decorated in whatever major subject was in my life. Wolves, mushrooms, marijuana, always something. I imagined a set of computers that regulated my nervous impulses, and I could change them at will. I'd hide here often, sure that NO ONE COULD READ MY THOUGHTS, as long as I could be in that room. The strange thing is....I still go there sometimes, 13 years later... Now, somewhere, in an ethereal dimension, am I really going there? this may all make me seem like a huge hippocrite by my previous statement, but I was stating this:
All of reality is real.
The thing is, There are more levels to it than we allow ourselves to realize. I believe the walls are there, but I believe I can astrally project myself out of my body, through those walls. there we go, all done now.
Jason
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Re: A nice mind-blowing thought to ponder upon [Re: Phyl]
#383407 - 09/01/01 04:29 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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This is from Jack Kerouac's book big sur:
"Can it be that Ron and all these other guys, Dave and Mclear or somebody, the other guys earlier are all a big bunch of witches out to make me go mad?" I seriously consider this--Remembering that childhood revery I always had. which I used to ponder seriously as I walked home from St. Joseph's Parochial school or sat in the parlor of my home, that everynody in the world is making fun of money me and I don't know it because every time I turn around to see who's behind me they snap back into place with regular expressions, but soon's I look away again they dart up to the nape of my neck and all whisper there giggling and plotting evil, silently, you can't hear them, and when I turn quickly to catch them they've already snapped back perfectly in place and are saying "Now the proper way to cook eggs is" or they're singing Chet Baker songs looking the other way or they're saying "Did I ever tell you about Jim that time?---But my childhood revery also included the fact that everybody in the world was making fun of me because they were all members of an eternal secret society or heaven society that knew the secret of the world and were seriously fooling me so I'd wake up and see the light (i.e. become enlightened in fact)---So that I, "Ti Jean," was the LAST Ti Jean left in the world, the last poor holy fool, those people at my neck were the devils of the eath among whom God had cast me, an angel baby, as though I was the last Jesus in fact! and all these people were waiting for me to realize it and wake up and catch them peeking and we'd all wake up in heaven suddenly--but animals weren't doing that behind my back, my cats were always adornments licking their paws sadly, and Jesus, he was a sad witness to this, somewhat like the animals---He wasn't peeking down my neck--there lies the root of my belief in Jesus--so that actually the only reality in the world was Jesus and the lambs (the animals) and my brother Gerard who had instructed me---meanwhile some of the peekers were kindly and sad, like my father, but had to go along with everybody else in the same boat---but my waking up would take place and then everything would vanish except for heaven, which is God---and that was why later in life after these rather strange you must admit childhood reveries, after I had that fainting vision of the Golden Eternity and others before and after it including Samadhis during buddhist mediations in the woods, I conceived of myself as a special solitary angel sent down as a messenger from heaven to tell everybody or show everybody by example that their peeking society was really the satanic society and they were all on the wrong track. With all this in my background, now at the point of adulthood disaster of the soul, through excessive drinking, all this was easily converted into a fantasy that everybody in the world was witching me to madness: and i must have believed it subconsciously because as I say as soon as Ron Blake left I was well again and in fact content. In fact very contented--I rose that following morning with more joy and health and purpose than ever, and there was me old Big Sur Valley all mine again, here came good old Alf and I gave him food and patted his big rough neck with its various cocotte's manes, there was the mountain of Mien Mo in the distance just a dismal old hill with funny bushes around the hill and a peaceful farm on top, and nothing to do all day but amuse myself undisturbed by witches and booze---and I'm singing ditties again "My soul ain't snow, wouldn't you know, the color of my soul, is interpole" and such silly stuff---and I yell "If arthur Ma is a witch he sure is a funny witch! har har!"
This is simply called taking back your projections in buddhism. No need to get all philosophical about it. The spiritual path is a lonely trip, but it has its rewards, especially if it is a necessity.
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Re: A nice mind-blowing thought to ponder upon [Re: Monkah]
#385305 - 09/04/01 06:12 AM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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yeah i noticed the TV fuzz for the first time about three years ago. what is that shit? are you sure there aren't variations in thickness and fuzziness around objects? it doesn't have to be dark either it's always right there....
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Re: A nice mind-blowing thought to ponder upon [Re: Traveller]
#386494 - 09/05/01 07:13 PM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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When I was a young child, I was able to conceive infinity. Or I was able to conceive nothing, rather. I would find some place quiet, and sit down in a chair, and put my head back to relax for a bit. I would close my eyes and think about the origins of life and whatnot. My thoughts ran to how I didn't have to exist at all, and that I knew I was very fortunate but couldn't understand what the unfortunate side of the matter was. This thought would procede to thoughts about how no person, object, or event had to happen, and not that everything was fortunate, but that everything just was. I would picture myself sitting in my chair, but from above, in a corner of the ceiling. I would try zooming out forever, to escape the planet, exit the galaxy, and pass other stars in order to try and leave the universe. When I couldnt find the end of the universe, the exit--the point at which I could leave, I realized it was useless. Then I would slowly induce a vision of complete whiteness in my field of vision, nothing else. This was extremely hard to do for me, as black bits would constantly pop up. Reminds me of the few years where I could not exit a surface that I was standing on with my left leg, it had to be the right. I knew this was infantile and worthless, but couldn't get over it. I label it self induced OCD. Anyways, I could eventually get my vision to be white, and not black. This was to try and envision what was outside of the universe, and not inside, since being inside and attempting to get outside was futile...eh...yeah. I did see the outside, though. I finally got the whole mind-screen white, and saw the outside. But it struck me that once I was outside, there was only more traveling to do, that I could only try and get outside of the outside. But I didn't try, I just dropped the whole concept entirely. I forgot about the universe, and the outside. I realized that the universe didnt have to exist, and that the nothingness contained on the outside was indeed something, and that it didn't have to exist either. I got to a place where there wasn't anything, not even nothing. It was a very fun thing to do for me back in the day. I would do it about once a week when I could find the time to concentrate and do it right. I can't really describe what happened once I envisioned ...what I envisioned. I want to say "once I envisioned nothing", but it wasn't nothing (hey, that's correct english;)). It's not a concept easily put into words, this...event. But being there was understanding it, understanding it was being it...I truly felt as if I understood this infinity. Understanding it was what made me want to go back so often, because understanding infinity was something that I could only momentarily do, and I needed to experience the understanding every once in a while. All I can truly remember, all that was imprinted so heavily of this, was that only during this time, nothing was wrong. When I look back, I suppose nothing was right either. I'm sure this all seems jumbled and unclear, but that's due to the nature of the concept. Also, I havn't smoked for 6 hours and I have a blistering head ache due to lack of food and sleep;). I was able to do this until I hit puberty, I think. Nowadays I can't grasp even the slightest speck of whiteness. I can't escape my routine thought process. I worry about tomorrow constantly, and it makes me sick. I wish I could go back there...
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Edited by Fatch on 09/05/01 08:20 PM.
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Re: A nice mind-blowing thought to ponder upon [Re: Kremlin]
#386632 - 09/05/01 10:21 PM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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For me it is the thought of how primal everything is in this world, and how we are ignorant to things that seem primitive. For example, this year we went camping down at Lake Powell. Awesome place. The sign to the beach where you camp said "Primitive Camping"!!! WTF!! Like Im a caveman or something. We were trippin jokin about all the people in their campers how they leave their 'piss lights' on outside and feel like they are sleeping in a cardboard box. We were out under the moon and stars like it used to be havin a, well, bitchin primitive time. When you think about all the stuff that 'cracks me egg' (as I like to put it), shrooming is all proper when your either:
MEDITATING
LISTENING TO 'REAL' MUSIC
ASKING FOR GUIDANCE
HAVING TRUE HUMAN CONNECTION
OR JUST 'BEING' IN THE OUTDOORS.
Hello?????? This is what its always been about. All these people who take shrooms sitting in their bedroom, going shopping, driving around in their car, bowling, or whatever... Thats all fun and great, but absolutely pointless. Just a waste of some nice little mushies. Bring it back to reality... If the Power Grids collapsed, and the water became scarce, and the food at yer supermarket was priced really high because of some plague, or just because the demand for food has gone through the roof because of the damn population explosion... what are you going to think will happen? Everything will go back to WHAT REALLY MATTERS.
"SOme say a comet will fall from the sky, follwed by meteor showers and tidal waves, followed by fault lines that cannot sit still.... FOLLOWED BY MILLIONS OF DUMBFOUNDED DIPSHITS!... A BULLSHIT THREE-RING CIRCUS SIDE SHOW OF FREAKS!
"High, how are you?
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Re: A nice mind-blowing thought to ponder upon [Re: TheMagicalMushi]
#390315 - 09/10/01 02:28 PM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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HOLY SHIT! I used to think the exact same thing all the time when I was in grade school. Well I though I was being tested by aliens actually, but its the same idea.
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Re: A nice mind-blowing thought to ponder upon [Re: Kremlin]
#390383 - 09/10/01 03:43 PM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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i used to think that everyone had there own time period. ill explain. it is like if i did something right now, then someone else in their time period wouldve already known what i did (if their time period was hapeening faster than mine) or they wouldnt know what i did till later on in their time period (if theirs was slower than mine). this was the cause for why things seemed to happen faster at sometimes, or slower. like when the day seems long, or when it seems short. if you still dont understand, then here i go again: someone that is having a long day, would still be doing something that already happened while others that were haveing a fast day wouldve already done it. i also used to wonder if everything that other people did was only to influence me. one of my friends said that there IS someone or something following him!!! you know when you turn youre head sometimes and you think that you see something. he says that the thing he keeps seeing in the corner of his eye truely his there. i am not sure if he was just fuckin with my head when i was shrooming, but he seemed surious. another one of my friends said that he must have been abducted by aliens when he was younger, because he doesnt remember long segments of his life when he was a child. i was stuck on the fact that society is slowly forming everyone to be the same thing/person. i got over this thought with the help form some shrooms = ) just to let you know ive done acid 15-20 times. my friend that thinks theres something following him has done it 20-30 times. and the other friend has done it around 40 times.
one plus one plus one equals three
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Re: A nice mind-blowing thought to ponder upon [Re: aluminum_can]
#405418 - 09/26/01 08:39 PM (22 years, 2 months ago) |
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>How do we know that everyone else in the world really exists, and that they arent some dillusion in our own minds
I have often thought about this. And the thought what if I was some psychopath in some kind of society (not necessarly the one that we live in), and I was actually sitting in a funny farm, with padded walls just chilling in the middle of the room with my own reality that was all in my head. I am so far out there that I dont even relize that anything is wrong or that im contained against will.
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"How doth the little crocodile improve his shining tail, and pour the waters of the Nile on every golden scale! How cheerfully he seems to grin, how neatly spreads his claws, and welcomes little fishes in With gently smiling jaws!"
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