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Salvia Blotter
    #3810788 - 02/21/05 01:58 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

http://www.totse.com/en/drugs/psychedelics/howtomakeblott170441.html

Seems like a great way to take Salvia, has anybody tried it? Could it work with extract too? I have some 5x extract, so maybe if i used 10 ml of solvent and 90ml of water?

Any information on the process/effect would be great and greatly appreciated

thanks


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Re: Salvia Blotter [Re: unGratefulAlive]
    #3810864 - 02/21/05 02:16 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

yea has anyone tried this? it sounds great.


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Re: Salvia Blotter [Re: michotim002]
    #3810877 - 02/21/05 02:20 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

like what kinda alchol do you have to use?


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Re: Salvia Blotter [Re: michotim002]
    #3810955 - 02/21/05 02:40 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

michotim002 said:
like what kinda alchol do you have to use?




Check out under #2.

"151 proof Everclear or 70% Isopropyl Alcohol [rubbing alcohol].) "


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Re: Salvia Blotter [Re: unGratefulAlive]
    #3810963 - 02/21/05 02:42 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

there is one guy here who made a bunch.. Cant recall his name but it does work and is a great way to measure dose.


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Re: Salvia Blotter [Re: Legoulash]
    #3811158 - 02/21/05 03:29 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

The member you're referring to is redgreenvines


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Re: Salvia Blotter [Re: theocean06]
    #3811287 - 02/21/05 03:59 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I remember his post on making this, what I did not know was that it could be orally active.


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Re: Salvia Blotter [Re: K20A2]
    #3811570 - 02/21/05 05:07 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

it is best to smoke - really (but I like to smoke a strong bit like 400mic on 1/50th of a cigarette paper)

such as this:



the lung surface area is huge and permits nearly immediate transfer to blood - then in about 15 seconds it all hits the brain.

oral or gut is much slower - designed for gradual absorption - like food and liquid so you take around 20 - 50 times as much and though it lasts longer and the peak is a bit lower it keeps peaking longer.

so for economy and ease of use and scheduling etc, I smoke.

I made the blotters on cigarette paper so I could cut them up for smoke.

I use ~20mg salvinorin A for one paper and chew half or even a whole one. (chew chew chew -sure it's active orally, but it just needs to reach lots of absorptive surface which in gut is in a long tube while in the lungs it is available immediately as a wide sheet (flatten out all the alveoli and you get about 15-25 square feet - same if you flatten the whole gut - but it wont reach the whole gut that quickly...))

but I smoke 1/50th of a cigarette paper and it is great every time

rarely do I take it orally.

I do use tea though
I stir ~5 or 6 grammes in boiling water for 10 mins. it's pretty good, but I always re-extract the redried tealeaves since ~85% salvinorin is still in them.
I do this tea thing to get the tannin out which makes the rest of the subsequent extraction easier.

some people have said it has an activation temperature which is 100% incorrect. there is no such thing all the activity is from the same chemical that is extractible as slavinorin-a it does not change by temp.

what they really mean is the vaporization temp or boiling point is high, but that is reduced when you draw on your pipe which lowers the local pressure and permits vaporization at regular lighter temperatures.


experiments showing oral inactivity were amazingly stupid.
the chemical is a waxy crystal, what do you think will happen if you eat some hard wax inside of a capsule??? gee it passes right through.
duhh
why do the mazatecs chew it - not for oral or pharyngeal absorption but to crush it so it can be absorbed. sometimes they make a drink and it works fine as long as it is crushed fine and pulverized into the liquid.

so I do not reccomend oral it is wasteful.
i do reccommend smoking extract and would suggest that the vendors ought to provide cigarette paper based "incence" as well as the leaf based standardized - since there is less smoke and less toxin.




and this might be nice



send them these pics and demand easy smoke products!


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Re: Salvia Blotter [Re: redgreenvines]
    #3814078 - 02/21/05 11:52 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

nice post!


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Re: Salvia Blotter [Re: Kada]
    #3814086 - 02/21/05 11:53 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Yea, i agree.. i think i'll try this tek and see how it goes.. wish me luck


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Re: Salvia Blotter [Re: IntelligentMind]
    #3814408 - 02/22/05 12:49 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

i also made a large quantity of salvia blotters, about 4 sheets laid with 500 miligrams of salvinorin crystal that i extracted from a qp of salvia.

didnt work for shit to be honest.

all of the black tary waxes that i had cleaned from the final product were necissary for sublingual absorption


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Re: Salvia Blotter [Re: ZippoZ]
    #3816594 - 02/22/05 01:41 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

zippoz
I remember your planning phase and the testing phase
you did not listen to me about dosage at any time
and the difficulty with oral absorption is not related
to chlorophylls etc that are removed in a good extraction.

chewing is what it always was - a salvia blotter even with 15mg salvinorin in it (like half or all of a cigarette paper) must be chewed to work - just holding it in your mouth is not going to work, same with leaves and quid (have to chew) and it works better if you sip something alcoholic while chewing (eg beer which will cause it to go into your digestive pipes)

anyway I remember you made heavy blotters with just 100 mics each as if it were acid.

you would need to chew 100-200 of those babies to buzz and as blotters & you got restricted to the unpleasant option of burning big hunks of paper (3 would have been good to smoke - but too mcuch paper altogether) or re-extracting with acetone (and what would come out of the thich blotter with acetone now? - prolly more than salvinorin)

if you do it again make the dose much much higher for oral or use cigarette paper so that you can at least smoke em later.


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Re: Salvia Blotter [Re: redgreenvines]
    #3817601 - 02/22/05 05:48 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Redgreenvines:

I am interested in trying to make this cigarette salvinorin paper. How do you make it so that it has an even amount of salvinorin in the paper?

Triptamine


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Re: Salvia Blotter [Re: triptamine]
    #3817760 - 02/22/05 06:20 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

1) do the extraction form a known amount
< the easiest is to get some standardized 10x and just use one gram in a shot glass >
< extract the gram of 10x with chilled acetone 2-4 ounces is enough mix strongly with a metal spoon or handle of a metal butterknife for 5 minutes - then pour into another shot glass and squeeze the leafy remains to get all the good acetone juice into the new shotglass. (throw the leaf away - or repeat to get everything)
let the second shot glass settle while covered (after 8 hours discard the settled debris) and pour off the good stuff and let that completely evaporate uncovered to some good solids.>
2) after you have a solid extract in the shot glass add about .1 to .3 oz of acetone to the solid and mix it up - stirr well try to get it all up into fluid.
3) prepare a web on a box by winding some toothfloss or thread around the box. put a cigarette paper on top of the web so that there is very little contact with supporting surface (little chance for wick effect to remove the good stuff)
4) fill a glass dropper with the goodstuff from point #2 above.
5) drip it onto the paper (8 drops at a time will soak it)
6) let dry (10 seconds or a bit more)
7) reapply and let dry repeatedly until all is gone.
(now you may lick all equipment.- oral access is mild)

really all the good stuff should now be on one cigarette paper.

8) I cut that paper form one gram of 10x to 50 pieces, you can to 20 or 40 pieces if it is easier for you.

I like long strips as they are easier to put in my glass pipes.


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Re: Salvia Blotter [Re: redgreenvines]
    #3818348 - 02/22/05 08:04 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I tried this twice, following the directions to a T and it never worked for me.


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Re: Salvia Blotter [Re: HereFishyFishy]
    #3818387 - 02/22/05 08:14 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

due you guys think that these papers would work fohttp://www.key-z.com/special.htmlr the oral part?


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Re: Salvia Blotter [Re: michotim002]
    #3820872 - 02/23/05 04:15 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

http://www.key-z.com/special.html
salvia blotters - no
to smoke yes
the visuals are simmilar to some degree
lots of repetition or cascade.

HereFishyFishy, sorry it did not work for you. did you smokem or chew them.

some just put the blotter under the tongue (sublingual - works with lsd but not salvinorin) which is hopeless unless it is tincture, salvia is not soluble in saliva it needs to be chewed off the vehicle and absorbed by exposed mucosa.


Edited by redgreenvines (02/23/05 04:16 AM)


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Re: Salvia Blotter [Re: redgreenvines]
    #3822965 - 02/23/05 05:28 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I chewed them. Both times when I tried to strain them onto the coffee strainers I ended up with thick goo. So when chewing it was like one of those dip pouches you can buy, but a lot thicker. Nasty taste and no effect. From now on I'll just chew the leaves straight ot continue smoking.


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Re: Salvia Blotter [Re: HereFishyFishy]
    #3823850 - 02/23/05 08:25 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

well I don't remember giving any instructions for making goo or using coffee strainers, maybe zippos suggested that direction.
my papers are designed for smoking and are at least 50 times more concentrated by design. still I prefer smoking them to oral, and would hate to smoke blotter paper.


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Re: Salvia Blotter [Re: redgreenvines]
    #3829437 - 02/24/05 09:38 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I sorta get what your saying, but i'm still very confused on making it. I wish someone would make an imiage tek, so i could see how it's made.


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