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InvisibleRavus
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Suicide
    #3809062 - 02/21/05 01:11 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Suicide can be defined as a victimless crime, simply because you do not harm anybody but yourself (ignoring the fact that you do psychologically hurt family and such, because if we were trying to help in that aspect we'd outlaw all things that would cause death and therefore psychological pain.) So therefore, would you believe that suicide should be legal? For example, a perfectly healthy person could make an appointment with a doctor to be euthanized, or get a prescription for cyanide pills to kill themself?
Suicide Legal?
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With a doctor's assistance, yes
Cyanide pills should be over the counter for those over 18
Suicide should not be legal


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Re: Suicide [Re: Ravus]
    #3809159 - 02/21/05 01:35 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I find legalization of suicide hard to discuss. Usually when one makes the decision to end one's own life they are not in a stable frame of mind. I believe that if somebody is going to kill themselves, the police should not get in their way, so long as it is not harming anybody else physically. But "cyanide pills should be over the counter for those over 18" sounds a bit extreme to me.


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Re: Suicide [Re: Ravus]
    #3809350 - 02/21/05 02:38 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

i didnt really agree with any

if youre going to kill yourself, make sure to do it well, not with some stupid cyanide pills.


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Re: Suicide [Re: vampirism]
    #3809365 - 02/21/05 02:52 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

If cyanide was available over the counter, people would go around poisoning people.


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Re: Suicide [Re: Jim]
    #3809396 - 02/21/05 03:03 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

There should be agencies that regulate suicide by providing people with psychologists that can either help them resolve their problems if they are simply mental or refer them to other social services and maybe financial services to help them solve their problems. If all this fails then they should be refered to a doctor for "help".


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Re: Suicide [Re: downforpot]
    #3809733 - 02/21/05 05:26 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

The reason suicide is illegal is because it kills a taxpayer so the state doesn't get as much money. Same deal with helmet laws for motorcycles.


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Re: Suicide [Re: Ravus]
    #3809735 - 02/21/05 05:27 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: Suicide [Re: Ravus]
    #3809792 - 02/21/05 07:37 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I do believe it should be legal, it's your own damn body and life. But it doesn't really matter anyway. I mean if I ever decide to do so then I will just do it.


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Re: Suicide [Re: Locus]
    #3809852 - 02/21/05 08:35 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Contrary to drug laws, I don't fear the repercussions of suicide.


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Re: Suicide [Re: looner2]
    #3809854 - 02/21/05 08:36 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

hehe.. yeah i know, me either.. we are brave aren't we? :grin:


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Re: Suicide [Re: Locus]
    #3810351 - 02/21/05 12:06 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

of course, it's only without a victim if the deceased has no dependants -- only if they are a dependant themselves.

primary earner in a household commits suicide? there are certainly victims.

you may argue to what degree they have been harmed, and whether or not that is more or less harm than the suicidal would have suffered had they continued living.. but you can't flat-out say that it is victimless.


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Re: Suicide [Re: Ravus]
    #3810626 - 02/21/05 01:16 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I believe doctor-assisted suicide should be absolutely legal if the motive behind suicide is to end prolonged physical suffering. I do not believe in assisted suicide for people who are trying to escape mental anguish. The last thing a mother needs to hear is that her depressed 25-year-old son was willfully executed by the medical establishment.


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Re: Suicide [Re: Ravus]
    #3811155 - 02/21/05 03:28 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I chose "With a doctor's assistance, yes" cause a Dr aint going to kill someone who is just depressed and "wants" to die.

If your are terminally ill. And dont want to suffer for a year and THEN die......OK


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Re: Suicide [Re: Ravus]
    #3811340 - 02/21/05 04:11 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

:biggrin: your under arrest for comitting suicide...


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Re: Suicide [Re: niteowl]
    #3813335 - 02/21/05 09:56 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

It's not really a matter of whether suicide will cause others, such as family and friends, pain, because that is a given. However, it's a matter of whether you believe suicide should be an individual decision that the government must criminalize and stop at all costs, or whether it's a decision that the government should have no say in and should be left to the person. I believe that the person is harming nobody else directly, and they will probably do it anyway, so why should the government tell someone they can't kill themselves?

I don't believe the government has any right to tell someone they can't kill themselves, but of course some of the problems with selling cyanide pills over the counter is the obvious- you could poison someone else with them, which would directly harm others and should be stopped by the government- so perhaps carbon monoxide tanks with gas masks could be a way to sell suicide with much less risk of using it to harm anyone else.


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Re: Suicide [Re: Ravus]
    #3815794 - 02/22/05 08:18 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Suicide is for cowards, but it shouldn't be illegal.


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Re: Suicide [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3815918 - 02/22/05 09:41 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

That depends, if there is absolutely no other way and you must live in pain for the rest of your life is you do not commit suicide.. are you still a coward? I think not, definitely not.


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Re: Suicide [Re: Locus]
    #3815946 - 02/22/05 09:57 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I guess it all depends on the definition of pain, depression pain? Then you would still be a coward.  Anyone who lives their life through pain has my utmost respect and I believe the pain should be taken away via drugs of choice.  When I say coward I don't mean that their whole existance is cowardly, rather it is a cowardly act that we can all admit to doing atleast once in our life...doing a cowardly act, not suicide. :crazy:


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Re: Suicide [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3815976 - 02/22/05 10:12 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, but I said absolutely no other way to rid yourself of this pain. You could get addicted to some drugs or something that might help temporarily, but that won't solve anything. And this will eventually make things worse. I'm saying, mental or physical pain at it's absolute worst.. or both.. and trying every fucking thing possible and not getting an answer after years and years and years of trying. And really having no other way out but suicide. The only other option truly being to suffer endlessly.


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Re: Suicide [Re: Locus]
    #3815989 - 02/22/05 10:24 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I think suicide is an issue where the law doesn't make a shit of difference, personally.


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