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bulk rye grain vs straw. What's better?
    #3806039 - 02/20/05 08:47 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

What would be better. a foaf has ample access to rye grain and straw. what would be better sterilizing a large amount of rye grain and making a huge cake out of it. or spawning it to pasturized straw?
lets consider # of flushes possible, size and potentcy of the cubensis strain. temp and rh would be the same so its not a factor.


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Re: bulk rye grain vs straw. What's better? [Re: brewwhaha1]
    #3806050 - 02/20/05 09:08 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

so why not do both?????


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Re: bulk rye grain vs straw. What's better? [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #3806054 - 02/20/05 09:13 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Well, you're asking us to compare spawn to a bulk substrate. It's like asking "What would be better, WBS or horse poo?" They are used in conjunction.

Rye can be cased regularly, and it can be spawned to straw. If done right, the straw will give you better results.


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Re: bulk rye grain vs straw. What's better? [Re: Holydiver]
    #3806064 - 02/20/05 09:22 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Not true, pound for pound rye give you more wieght. Poo and Straw will give more potent fruits though. The reason most people move to bulk to get more weight is that it is easier to pasteurize 20 lbs of horse manure than sterilize 20 lbs of rye. Or at least that is what my understanding of it is.


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Re: bulk rye grain vs straw. What's better? [Re: Holydiver]
    #3806069 - 02/20/05 09:29 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

could do both. but the incubator is the fruiting chamber and when doing side by side experiments to see what's better. One typically takes off better than the other. this requires letting one experimental grow sit idle waiting for the other one to catch up. Scientifically speaking this isn't ideal. So one experiment would have to be done after the other. My foaf is an impatient basterd and doesn't want to have to wait 12 weeks for the outcome of the two experiments to see the results.
AS for comparing spawn to a bulk substrate... think of using spawn as the bulk substrate. imagine a 1.5' X 2' x 8" tray of sterilized rye grain to the same size tray pasteurized straw.


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Re: bulk rye grain vs straw. What's better? [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #3806080 - 02/20/05 09:37 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Not true, pound for pound rye give you more wieght. Poo and Straw will give more potent fruits though. The reason most people move to bulk to get more weight is that it is easier to pasteurize 20 lbs of horse manure than sterilize 20 lbs of rye. Or at least that is what my understanding of it is.




Bleh, of course pound for pound it's better. Poo and straw will not give you more potent shrooms then cased straight grains on average, are you guessing or speaking from experience on this one?


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Re: bulk rye grain vs straw. What's better? [Re: Holydiver]
    #3806083 - 02/20/05 09:38 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

The mushrooms i have grown off of poo did seem to be more potent to me....maybe this was more mental though. And for some reason i remember reading that few times also. I could be wrong though.


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Re: bulk rye grain vs straw. What's better? [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #3806088 - 02/20/05 09:40 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Fair enough, different results for different growers. Straight cased grains have always blown my doors off compared to straw/poo. Too many factors to really take into consideration though /shrug


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Re: bulk rye grain vs straw. What's better? [Re: Holydiver]
    #3806176 - 02/20/05 11:12 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

lb for lb i find that straw/blood meal/bone meal make the most potant shrooms


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