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OfflineMitchnast
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pictures from eden
    #3804863 - 02/19/05 11:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

ive created an eden. a real working eco system with minimal outside needs. i add light, carbon dioxide, and trhow in food evry few days. it hasnt been cleaned in about 3 years. doesn't need to be.
dispite several carnivores present, the inhabitants do not eat or attack one another, dispite speceis differences and mixing (highly frowned upon by self-appointed eletist herpetoulture practitioners) there has been no conflict and all animals are healthy and free from stress symptoms, which i know how to recognize. furthermore i have treatments and protocols ready at the first sign of infection or trouble.

heres some pics of my setup. this is a fully established tank, all water conditions are optimal, i used to have trouble with water quality when i was young, now i wonder why anyone ever would need to clean a tank... it should clean itself






some of the animals i have are
Bombina bombina (european firebelly toad)
Bombina orientalis (oriental firebelly toad)
cynops oriantalis (chinese firebelly newt)
pachytriton spp. (paddletail newt)
Paramesotriton honkongensis (honk kong newt)
ottocinculus (otto catfish)
Ambstoma Mexicanum (axolotl)
Kaloula pulchra (malaysian painted narrow-mouthed frog)
hymenochirus boettgeri (dwarf clawed frog)
Tanichthys albonubes (white cloud minnow)
Farlowella acus (farlows catfish)


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Re: pictures from eden [Re: Mitchnast]
    #3804897 - 02/19/05 11:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

That's awesome! I'd like to find a place like that to set up camp. hehe


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Re: pictures from eden [Re: adrug]
    #3804932 - 02/19/05 11:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

awesome. that looks very cool.


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Re: pictures from eden [Re: YouEnjoyMyself]
    #3804954 - 02/19/05 11:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)


the white thing (axolotl) in this pic is 10 inches long if that helps you guess size


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Re: pictures from eden [Re: Mitchnast]
    #3805287 - 02/20/05 01:33 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

tres cool! wide mouths used to be some of my favourite frogs! still love them.

axolotl's are pretty neat eh. yours metamorphosed yet? their biology is jsut mind blowing.


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Re: pictures from eden [Re: kadakuda]
    #3805331 - 02/20/05 01:52 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

a healthy axolotl should never metamorphose.
the domesticated varieties are less enclined then those in the wild to do so also.

tiger salamander larvae on the other hand....


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Re: pictures from eden [Re: Mitchnast]
    #3805346 - 02/20/05 01:57 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

many people like to switch them back and forth to see the steps of life.  not my bag, but it is facinating.

tigers lol.  mouths with colour.  ive been dieing to find them in teh wild in bc, making the trip this summer :smile:


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Re: pictures from eden [Re: kadakuda]
    #3805481 - 02/20/05 02:27 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

kadakuda said:
many people like to switch them back and forth to see the steps of life.  not my bag, but it is facinating.





then lots of people like to accomplish the impossible.
as morphed axies seldom survive long anyway, often dieing in the process. the proceedure of forcing metamorph is nearly fatal and extremely stressful in itself.
And metaporhisis is not at all in any way reversable. even in a complex theory.

switching them back and forth is like trying to re-use a match.

and good luck finding tigers in BC. you might find some in the okanagan. Ambystoma mavortium var. diaboli lives there i think

if you like big salamanders and live in coastal BC tho, try cold meltwater creeks and you might find some Dicampton (pacific giant) salamanders  youll find there neotenic (like an axolotl) form in cold meltwater brooks.  adults are rare and grow over a foot long.  if you find any.... send me some :smile:


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Re: pictures from eden [Re: Mitchnast]
    #3805550 - 02/20/05 02:44 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

ya im heading east to go rattle picturing.  tigers are high up on my list, but amphibians are not my area.  currently im attempting to find ensatinas on vancouver island...3 years no luck lol.  crappy records or probably mis id'd sightings.

i thought it was axolotls that they used in labs.  was watching shit on tv about then, or i think they were them, adn they would get tehm to metamorphose and go back seemingly as many times as tehy fealt.  it was done with relative ease.  im horrible with names so it was probably somthing else.  maybe mud puppy* or whatever those things are...anyway im more on teh reptile side of herptoculture.  but i try my hand at amphibs now and then  :stoned:

anyway, straighten me up cause im dieing to know what species im talking about now :tongue:


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Re: pictures from eden [Re: Mitchnast]
    #3805551 - 02/20/05 02:44 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i don't know what to say except- I am very stoked on your setup!!
we have mudpuppies and hellbenders here. the hellbenders grow up to one foot long supposedly, and i've only seen 2 mudpuppies in the wild. cool shit.


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Re: pictures from eden [Re: kadakuda]
    #3805689 - 02/20/05 03:27 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

muddpuppies do not metamorphose, ever. i think you are indeed thinking of axolotls, problem is, i think youve also been subjected to a falsehood. they cannot be reversed.

you want ensatinas? first log i ever turned over in a park in north vancouver i found one. found a westtern redback also. and in a lake on the island i caught about 20 garter snakes all at the same time, lust walking down a beach i picked them up as i went.

id like to have hellbenders, and mudpuppies, in different tanks of course


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Re: pictures from eden [Re: Mitchnast]
    #3805759 - 02/20/05 03:56 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I find it a bit strange that the fact that you keep adding nutrition does not show up in the tank.

1+1=2 not 1+1=1 +1 =1 and so on..

Where does all the extra nutrition you add to the total go?


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Re: pictures from eden [Re: Fliquid]
    #3805837 - 02/20/05 05:10 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

the tank is full of bacteria and plants.
the bubbler (air) is under the main root area, bubblling water containing waste product up through the matrix. absorbing nitrates and access disoved minerals.
the tank also has a circulating pump that filters all water through a bio-matrix of bacteria and ammonia chips.
on land there are tiny bugs as well that consume dead plant material. the bugs become food for the small amphibians, whose waste fertilizes the plants above water.

the secondary diffuser (co2) has a yeast-sugar canister under the setup that ferments forcing co2 into the water. this boosts plant metabolism by potentiating photosynthesis.
co2 that doesn't diffuse in the water, pools above the water and aids the mosses and land plants.

yes theres a filter. no i don't change it, at least i havent seen a sign that i need to,

i do on occasion remove some water allong with whatever plant matter falls in and gathers on the sand to make room for adding ice to cool the water for my temperate-zone caudates.

ive cleaned many a tank, and i dont consider syphoning off a bit of water or even a 1/4 water hange as a "cleaning"


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Re: pictures from eden [Re: Mitchnast]
    #3805846 - 02/20/05 05:17 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Interesting, post more pictures when you can.  :smile:


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