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Nymphaea Caerulea - Blue Lotus
    #3804495 - 02/19/05 09:53 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

over the last couple of years I've wanted to grow this plant, I have a couple of
little ponds that have an abundance of fish, Last year I picked up some seeds from
Alchemy Works (they no longer stock them) and ended up misplacing them, I found
another source fo seeds, a rather limited supply and as soon as I saw them
bought all 25, a few days after I recieved them I found the other 60 seeds I
had purchased.

Today I decided it was time to try and germinate them, I took some net pots I've
had for a few years and lined them with a little news paper, I filled that with
some black cow composted manure and a little mushroom compost. I dropped 3 seeds
in each of the pots and topped it with sand and a little aquarium gravel to
prevent clouding the water... I set them in my aquarium at 79F
with a little luck, I have rhizomes and foliage to introduce to the pond in a few months

*a side note, with the exception if the plants at the far right, all the plants
in my fish tank are real, most were started from seed or bulbs, you can see one
of them floating at the top, it never sporouted



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Re: Nymphaea Caerulea - Blue Lotus [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #3805731 - 02/20/05 03:44 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

cool man let us know how it goes :smile:

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Re: Nymphaea Caerulea - Blue Lotus [Re: the man]
    #3806280 - 02/20/05 12:20 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I'm planning to grow lotus in buckets or maybe a kiddie wading pool.


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Re: Nymphaea Caerulea - Blue Lotus [Re: Stonehenge]
    #3807830 - 02/20/05 07:35 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I have a watering trough I picked up from a friend a few months back, I also plan
on growing some in it, its about 24" deep and 12' across, it's a little more
expensive than a kiddie pool but with a 25 year warranty it's worth the $300
they retail for, luckily the guy I bought it from lost the $3 plug and I paid $50



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Re: Nymphaea Caerulea - Blue Lotus [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #3808399 - 02/20/05 09:59 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

thats awesome!

a plant i wont have the opportunity to try and grow i didnt think...  if your aquarium success works, i may give it a go :thumbup:

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Re: Nymphaea Caerulea - Blue Lotus [Re: Todcasil]
    #3808440 - 02/20/05 10:08 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

well, so far I've discovered the manure aids signifigantly in Algae production,
I had none before and now the water is green. I'm sure it will work but to
flower in the tank I may have to switch to metal halide lighting.

one option you may want to try is a 5 gallon bucket, I've seen a few people doing
pond plants in them with great results


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Re: Nymphaea Caerulea - Blue Lotus [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #3809301 - 02/21/05 02:19 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Thats a huge red tiger lotus you've got growing in there. Nice.


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Re: Nymphaea Caerulea - Blue Lotus [Re: Gumby]
    #3816030 - 02/22/05 10:57 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

oh boy blue lotus is my favorite. Good luck with the project keep us updated.


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Re: Nymphaea Caerulea - Blue Lotus [Re: passitbobbie]
    #3828669 - 02/24/05 07:25 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

here's a little update... nothing to report except that may aquarium plants are
doing quite well with the addition of the poo, the algae got a big boost too and
every seed that some of the plants dropped has germinated and the broken leaves
are taking root.


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Re: Nymphaea Caerulea - Blue Lotus [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #3840626 - 02/27/05 11:43 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

awesome awesome. I heard these are hard to germinate. Good luck.


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Re: Nymphaea Caerulea - Blue Lotus [Re: LoveLeafGarden]
    #3840679 - 02/27/05 12:05 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I'm trying different methods, I've had no luck yet but it's not stopping me.


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Re: Nymphaea Caerulea - Blue Lotus [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #3840757 - 02/27/05 12:36 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I've had a seed in glass vase with aquarium gravel since November...nothing.

I was thinking maybe rooting hormones or warm distilled water may help.

I may try putting a couple in my mom's pond :smirk:

If you add a pump and a bag of barley to your trough or pool it will really cut down the algae.


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Re: Nymphaea Caerulea - Blue Lotus [Re: namaste]
    #3841673 - 02/27/05 04:38 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

best of luck to you my friend. i like where this thread is headed :smile:


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Re: Nymphaea Caerulea - Blue Lotus [Re: namaste]
    #3844867 - 02/28/05 01:30 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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If you add a pump and a bag of barley to your trough or pool it will really cut down the algae.




I'm not to worried about algae, the'll suck the nutrients out of the water pretty fast, to get them to bloom I'll have to fertilize the pond, I'm also about to try a couple of methods for scarification, hopefully one of them will work


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Re: Nymphaea Caerulea - Blue Lotus [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #3845161 - 02/28/05 03:05 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Lotus seeds MUST be scarified or else it could literally take hundreds of years.In nature the seeds are scarred naturally by rocks and animals and such.They are also viable for over a thousand years according to science.

Also the lotuses tend to be increasingly prone to bacterial infection at temps lowers than 74 and seem to do best at around 80 degrees fahrenheit.

They are heavy feeders and require regular fertilization.They also do not generally produce flowers until the 2nd year although it could happen sooner if grown indoors in good conditions year round.

I scarify lotus seeds by taking my pocket knife and using the little saw on it to saw down until the creme to tan colored under layer is visible.Then I soak the seeds in warm water (use an aquarium heater set to 80 degrees fahrenheit if you have one) until they sprout.Mine Sprout and so far I have had a 100% germination rate.However when I first started growing lotuses I lost some plants to bacterial infection due to room temp or lower temp water.If it is not planted in soil, it must be planted in soil as soon as roots start to appear.I generally germinate mine in a glass or canning jar without soil.

So far I have grown Sacred lotus and american lotus from seed in this manner.


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Re: Nymphaea Caerulea - Blue Lotus [Re: UnenlightenedOne]
    #3845620 - 02/28/05 08:50 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Lotus seeds MUST be scarified or else it could literally take hundreds of years.In nature the seeds are scarred naturally by rocks and animals and such.They are also viable for over a thousand years according to science.





I'm familliar with true lotuses and the need foe scarificatio as well as their
viability being for thousands of years, so far I've not found much information
regarding these, the seeds are about the size of a grain of sand in relation
to the jumbo seeds of a true lotus.

I've germinated several lotuses and like you, its a rate of 100%


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Re: Nymphaea Caerulea - Blue Lotus [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #3846987 - 02/28/05 03:53 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Btw Nymphaea is the genus for Waterlilies.Thats why its much smaller its actually a waterlily and not a true lotus.Nelumbo is the genus for lotuses.

The same techniques that apply to lotuses apply to waterlilies.Granted I have limited experience with waterlilies with only having experience with one species a few times but I learned that the techniques are the same for waterlilies.It will require germination in the same manner as lotuses.

I have a tendency to lump waterlilies and lotuses into one category because they are so similar both in look,techniques used and constituents.


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Re: Nymphaea Caerulea - Blue Lotus [Re: UnenlightenedOne]
    #3848629 - 02/28/05 09:09 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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The same techniques that apply to lotuses apply to waterlilies.Granted I have limited experience with waterlilies with only having experience with one species a few times but I learned that the techniques are the same for waterlilies.It will require germination in the same manner as lotuses.





thank you, this is what I'm very happy to know, I havent started scarifying them
by abrasion yet but it looks like my next step, I've only had experience with
Nelumbo and it was limited to 4 seeds  :smile:  oh, and having them for dinner for
some moon festival at a chinese familys house, I think we both misunderstood
what knowledge the other had, aparently were both aware which species is which
I'm wierd in the fact that I view each as its own and even recognize the varieties...


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Re: Nymphaea Caerulea - Blue Lotus [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #3848812 - 02/28/05 09:37 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Very good info guys. I think I'm gonna try my hand at lotuses and such in the near future because of this thread.


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Re: Nymphaea Caerulea - Blue Lotus [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #3849297 - 02/28/05 11:37 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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thank you, this is what I'm very happy to know, I havent started scarifying them
by abrasion yet but it looks like my next step, I've only had experience with
Nelumbo and it was limited to 4 seeds oh, and having them for dinner for
some moon festival at a chinese familys house, I think we both misunderstood
what knowledge the other had, aparently were both aware which species is which
I'm wierd in the fact that I view each as its own and even recognize the varieties...




Im glad I was of some help after all.lol.I dont generally start waterlilies from seed very often as I can buy various waterlilies from a local greenhouse and they come ready to bloom.Lotuses I have to grow from seed as theyre not available locally and to buy large lotuses and have them shipped can be a bit expensive and they often only carry cultivars which I dont like to work with.So seed is the only valid option for me for lotuses but occasionally I get waterlily seeds in trade through a group of gardeners I sometimes trade with.

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I'm wierd in the fact that I view each as its own and even recognize the varieties...




For me it is easier to lump things into one category especially when it comes to things so very similar as waterlilies which are closely related to each other and lotuses which are closely related and cross genus wise lotus to waterlily they are very similar in looks and constituents and effects I just automatically throw them together.I do the same with tomatoes and mints and such.When I tinker with herbal medicine and similar subjects I especially am guilty of lumping very similar plants together.


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