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Symbiotic Relationship?
    #3799270 - 02/18/05 06:00 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I am the cultivator of herbs. Grow room maintains a constant temperature no lower then 80F and no higher then 88F. Relative humidity is also maintained fairly constant, at approximately 33%. I also have bright HID fixtures lighting up the room 24 hrs a day. Oh, and there is a crap load of oxygen in there from the plants just being there.

I have recently began researching the cultivation of mushrooms and am wondering what benefits I can get out of my existing grown room.

From what I have gathered in my 3 day research fiesta, here is what may be of mutual benefit to both organisms:

1) Temperature

Since the temp is maintained constantly between 80F and 88F, I assume I can simply keep the jars in there, covered from the light, instead of building an incubator? I think this because isn't the only purpose of an incubator to keep the temperature constantly in the 80s? So will this work?

2) Humidity

Is humidity even a concern for the inoculated jars? If it is, will the 30% RH be fine? Remember, we are still talking about the colonization growth stage.

So let's pretend the substrate has been completely colonized and we are ready to give birth to these bad asses. I learned that the humidity should be in the 90s. So tell me if this would work: I use the perlite method, put a layer at the bottom of a rubbermaid, put some water in, and then place the cakes on top of the jar tops. I know you have to let some light in from the top so I will use a clear top for the black rubbermaid. But the symbiotic part here would be the gas exchange. There is so much excess oxygen in the room from the plants that I bet the mushrooms will love it in there, right? Or do I have my information backwards?

And finally on a more personal note, and I feel I am entitled to one with this being my first post and all, I am completely new to this and just trying to absorb as much correct information while trying to filter out all the misinformation floating around. It's friggin hard! With marijuana, I knew all the terms and understood people's posts, but when I learned of this website when I became interested in mushroom cultivation, it was so hard to understand what you people were writing! Cake this, inoculation that, pf tek, bfp tek, omg tek, wtf tek, etc etc! Damn, it's like trying to understand a foreign languange. Anways, my question is this...am I being stupid by doing the cake method for my first time so I can get the hang of things, or do you think of another method that you favor and think I can do my first time. I already got perlite, brown rice flour, vermiculite, temp/humidity gauges, Puerto Rican strain syringe (is this a good one?), 1/2 pint jars, and brand spankin new pressure cooker.

Thanks for making it through my seemingly never-ending first post.


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Re: Symbiotic Relationship? [Re: ralphie]
    #3799327 - 02/18/05 06:14 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

1. yes, a cardboard box is suitable for the job of incubation if the temps are in the mid 80's

2. humidity isnt an issue for incubation, only fruiting

3. the mushrooms wont give off enough co2 not the plants enough oxygen to make any difference, the temps and humidity in a grow room will not be suitable for fruiting.


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Re: Symbiotic Relationship? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #3799355 - 02/18/05 06:19 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

why won't the room be ok in fruiting? I plan on using perlite inside of a closed rubbermaid to increase humidity to the required levels. obviously i will have to vent the top but the room is very oxygen-rich with many many many plants in there. i know the co2 for the plants wont be of any significant effect but i think the oxygen for the mushrooms will be good.


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Re: Symbiotic Relationship? [Re: ralphie]
    #3799431 - 02/18/05 06:35 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

fruiting temps 80+ is way too high. Far from optimal to say the least.
I have the best mushrooms below 75.


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Re: Symbiotic Relationship? [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3799552 - 02/18/05 06:57 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

i just posted one in the smart peoples section that you may be able to answer.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/3799528/an/0/page/0


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Re: Symbiotic Relationship? [Re: ralphie]
    #3799729 - 02/18/05 07:25 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

ralphie said:
why won't the room be ok in fruiting?




heat and humidity issues as well as those of pests that will attack plants

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i think the oxygen for the mushrooms will be good.




experiments had been done using pure oxygen and it was determined to be no better than just air.


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Re: Symbiotic Relationship? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #3810353 - 02/21/05 12:06 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

thanks!  :thumbup:



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