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 Re: TM's Cased Rye Cake Tek  [Re: Roadkill]
#3822772 - 02/23/05 02:42 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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that would explain the choice of your name lol 
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Re: TM's Cased Rye Cake Tek [Re: TM]
#3823189 - 02/23/05 04:11 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: TM's Cased Rye Cake Tek [Re: TM]
#3878917 - 03/06/05 06:02 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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Total dry weight from those 12 pints in 3 flushes... 6.5 ounces.
More grow pics to come soon. 
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Re: TM's Cased Rye Cake Tek [Re: TM]
#3879298 - 03/06/05 07:08 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nice, nice, nice! Anyone tried this with BRF cakes?
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Re: TM's Cased Rye Cake Tek [Re: Bnonymous]
#3879879 - 03/06/05 09:00 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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So you only got another .9 ounces over the next 2 yeilds? You said 5.6 for the first flush...
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Re: TM's Cased Rye Cake Tek [Re: TM]
#3880550 - 03/06/05 10:31 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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this is awesome
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Re: TM's Cased Rye Cake Tek [Re: TM]
#22521101 - 11/14/15 04:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
TM said:
Then cover the cakes with coir/verm:
Ok, so can I choose to use coir or verm, or do I have to mix both? And if so, at what ratios?
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Re: TM's Cased Rye Cake Tek [Re: sunnyboy]
#22521447 - 11/14/15 08:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I would use the grain as spawn for bulk instead. You can use coir as the substrate if you want, search around the forums.
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Re: TM's Cased Rye Cake Tek [Re: sunnyboy]
#22522470 - 11/14/15 01:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Plain vermiculite works just fine. I see no advantage to coir at all. Good luck! 
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Re: TM's Cased Rye Cake Tek [Re: TM]
#22525220 - 11/14/15 10:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
TM said:
Plain vermiculite works just fine. I see no advantage to coir at all. Good luck!
Really? None at all 
Trust me, spawn to bulk or just dunk and roll , fruit cakes as cakes
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Edited by mushpunx (11/15/15 01:44 AM)
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Re: TM's Cased Rye Cake Tek [Re: TM] 1
#22525256 - 11/14/15 10:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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nice little tek you have there!
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Re: TM's Cased Rye Cake Tek [Re: mushpunx]
#22525371 - 11/14/15 10:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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mushpunx said:
This is ten years old.
Yup. Tried and true. Still works. Easiest, most contam resistant bulk method.
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mushpunx said:
Trust me, spawn to bulk or just dunk and roll , fruit cakes as cakes
Trust you? I don't see any of your bulk success displayed anywhere. Just a few newb brf cakes. STFU.
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Re: TM's Cased Rye Cake Tek [Re: TM]
#22525480 - 11/14/15 10:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Spawning(mixing in with) to a bulk will produce more fruits of your labor.....this is fact.
Using H2o2 pre-emptively does absolutely nothing .....this is fact.
Perlite does absolutely nothing when layered into a substrate.... this is fact.
Just sayin....
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Edited by PussyFart (11/14/15 10:57 PM)
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Re: TM's Cased Rye Cake Tek [Re: PussyFart]
#22525564 - 11/14/15 11:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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FACT: Perlite is used underneath the substrate to wick water.
FACT: H2o2 kills bacteria that generates and precipitates mold growth.
FACT: Spawning a larger bulk substrate produces nothing if it gets contaminated,
which becomes a far greater risk than fruiting 100% colonized rye berries in a casing.
Just sayin'.
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Edited by TM (11/14/15 11:08 PM)
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Re: TM's Cased Rye Cake Tek [Re: TM]
#22525621 - 11/14/15 11:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
TM said:
FACT: Perlite is used underneath the substrate to wick water..
No, it is used in SGFCs to help create more humidity.....it is not used in substrates in any modern tek.
No need to "wick water", whatever that means.
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TM said:
FACT: H2o2 kills bacteria that generates and precipitates mold growth.
FAct: it oxidizes too quickly to make a difference in a substrate.
Nowadays we ONLY use it to treat cobweb mold....
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TM said:
FACT: Spawning a larger bulk substrate produces nothing if it gets contaminated,
which becomes a far greater risk than fruiting 100% colonized rye berries in a casing.
Yes, IF......
You do realize your casing has the same exact chance of contamination, right?
Deny it if you want, I'm just sayin.
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Edited by PussyFart (11/14/15 11:15 PM)
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Re: TM's Cased Rye Cake Tek [Re: PussyFart]
#22525685 - 11/14/15 11:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
PussyFart said:
Quote:
TM said:
FACT: Perlite is used underneath the substrate to wick water..
No, it is used in SGFCs to help create more humidity.....it is not used in substrates in any modern tek.
No need to "wick water", whatever that means.
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TM said:
FACT: H2o2 kills bacteria that generates and precipitates mold growth.
FAct: it oxidizes too quickly to make a difference in a substrate.
Nowadays we ONLY use it to treat cobweb mold....
Quote:
TM said:
FACT: Spawning a larger bulk substrate produces nothing if it gets contaminated,
which becomes a far greater risk than fruiting 100% colonized rye berries in a casing.
Yes, IF......
You do realize your casing has the same exact chance of contamination, right?
Deny it if you want, I'm just sayin.
You just don't get it.
1) You chose to argue against proven success.
2) You fail to take into account that time is the enemy when it comes to contaminating a grow, so using a fruit-able
substrate to spawn a bulk medium is just asking for green mold to force you to start over again.
3) You talk as though technology has somehow advanced in the mycological world to a point where it doesn't make sense to
do anything that worked ten years ago.
Please go away.
P.S.
Perlite does a great job of wicking water into the substrate from underneath. Don't scoff at what you have no clue about!
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Re: TM's Cased Rye Cake Tek [Re: TM] 1
#22525788 - 11/15/15 12:01 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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outdated or not, simple method and it looks like it gets the job done! thanks for sharing. i didn't even realize it was a 10 year old thread. but i used to do something similar in the past.
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Re: TM's Cased Rye Cake Tek [Re: TM]
#22525836 - 11/15/15 12:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
TM said:
You just don't get it.
1) You chose to argue against proven success.
2) You fail to take into account that time is the enemy when it comes to contaminating a grow, so using a fruit-able
substrate to spawn a bulk medium is just asking for green mold to force you to start over again.
3) You talk as though technology has somehow advanced in the mycological world to a point where it doesn't make sense to
do anything that worked ten years ago.
Please go away.
P.S.
Perlite does a great job of wicking water into the substrate from underneath. Don't scoff at what you have no clue about!
I do get it....
A) You are doing the same. (refer to 2)
2) Rye cakes are hardly (fruitable substrates) by themselves, without a casing layer or bulk of some type keeping them moist.
And Why would spawning to bulk be "just asking for green mold"? I have never heard of such idiocy.
Contams cause contams, and if using coir/verm, or a properly pasteurized manure mixture, it is very hard to get green mold before the first flush if your spawn was clean.
If you do contam before the first flush, it is most likely due to contaminated spawn, and not the substrate material.
These "time is the enemy" and "it's a race against contams" theories are getting annoying.
Coir/verm can stay in a bucket heat treated for 2 weeks before use and work just fine 100% of the time.
I cannot comment on the viability of manure after that length of time as I have no experience with manure personally.
C) Just because it worked doesn't mean there isn't a better way.
Using peroxide as a preventative is outdated and pointless, this has been proven and discussed to death.
People have realized that casing cakes doesn't really yield you any more to make it worth your time and effort, when spawning to a bulk substrate will exponentially increase your yields.
Only people selling kits use perlite in their substrates nowadays. If the substrate was made to field capacity, there would be no need to wick water into them from underneath.
Better methods have risen.....you should awaken.
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THIS HOBBY IS NOT FOR THE IMPATIENT! PLEASE BE PATIENT, DON'T BE A PATIENT!
A Tale of 10 Isolates, GT Cluster Clone Monotubs, RR's Let's Grow Mushrooms DVD,
SGFC(Shotgun Fruiting Chamber), Monotub Tek, Damion5050's Coir Tek, TL's Tek List, Frank's Tek List,
EvilMushroom666's Pasteurization Tek, How It Should & Shouldn't Look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE
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Re: TM's Cased Rye Cake Tek [Re: PussyFart]
#22525850 - 11/15/15 12:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
PussyFart said:
Quote:
TM said:
You just don't get it.
1) You chose to argue against proven success.
2) You fail to take into account that time is the enemy when it comes to contaminating a grow, so using a fruit-able
substrate to spawn a bulk medium is just asking for green mold to force you to start over again.
3) You talk as though technology has somehow advanced in the mycological world to a point where it doesn't make sense to
do anything that worked ten years ago.
Please go away.
P.S.
Perlite does a great job of wicking water into the substrate from underneath. Don't scoff at what you have no clue about!
I do get it....
A) You are doing the same. (refer to 2)
2) Rye cakes are hardly (fruitable substrates) by themselves, without a casing layer or bulk of some type keeping them moist.
And Why would spawning to bulk be "just asking for green mold"? I have never heard of such idiocy.
Contams cause contams, and if using coir/verm, or a properly pasteurized manure mixture, it is very hard to get green mold before the first flush if your spawn was clean.
If you do contam before the first flush, it is most likely due to contaminated spawn, and not the substrate material.
These "time is the enemy" and "it's a race against contams" theories are getting annoying.
Coir/verm can stay in a bucket heat treated for 2 weeks before use and work just fine 100% of the time.
I cannot comment on the viability of manure after that length of time as I have no experience with manure personally.
C) Just because it worked doesn't mean there isn't a better way.
Using peroxide as a preventative is outdated and pointless, this has been proven and discussed to death.
People have realized that casing cakes doesn't really yield you any more to make it worth your time and effort, when spawning to a bulk substrate will exponentially increase your yields.
Only people selling kits use perlite in their substrates nowadays. If the substrate was made to field capacity, there would be no need to wick water into them from underneath.
Better methods have risen.....you should awaken.
You've obviously never caused, nor even heard a pussy fart, junior. I'm done with you.
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Re: TM's Cased Rye Cake Tek [Re: TM]
#22525853 - 11/15/15 12:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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THIS HOBBY IS NOT FOR THE IMPATIENT! PLEASE BE PATIENT, DON'T BE A PATIENT!
A Tale of 10 Isolates, GT Cluster Clone Monotubs, RR's Let's Grow Mushrooms DVD,
SGFC(Shotgun Fruiting Chamber), Monotub Tek, Damion5050's Coir Tek, TL's Tek List, Frank's Tek List,
EvilMushroom666's Pasteurization Tek, How It Should & Shouldn't Look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE
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