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 Deviate
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 enlightenment and suffering 
#3795712 - 02/17/05 09:21 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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i've heard enlightenment defined as the end of suffering and i completely understand how it would end mental suffering, but what about physical suffering? i've heard enlightened people still have unpleasant sensations, does this not constiute suffering? if an enlightened person contracted a horrible disease would he not suffer? on the other hand i've heard that enlightened people can exist in a state of samadhi where they are not conscious of their bodies and so there is no suffering. so which is it? or can they only remain in samadhi while physically inactive? in my own experience i know it's possible to escape physical suffering mentally because i remember once being sick and having a dream and in the dream i felt well. (ive also had a dream when i was well and felt sick). it seemed as long as i was able to hold onto to sleep i could escape the pain of my illness but as soon as waking would come i could not escape it. can anyone clarify?
Edited by Deviate (02/17/05 09:22 PM)
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Re: enlightenment and suffering [Re: Deviate]
#3795750 - 02/17/05 09:28 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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There is a difference between pain and suffering.
When I broke my finger, boy did I ever feel pain. But I minimized suffering from that situation.
In other words, one could say that pain is the body's reaction to certain sensory input, whereas suffering stems from the ego's resistance to current situations.
What you resist, persists.
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pain is necessary in life. to suffer is optional. an enlightened being still feels pain, but does not relate to that pain out of ignorance or with the perception of suffering. an enlightened being would also be unnatached to the body that it inhabits.
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I feel that enlightenment is love and that Love is the end of all sufferring.
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Re: enlightenment and suffering [Re: MAGnum]
#3796346 - 02/17/05 11:26 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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The distinction between pain and suffering is important. Pain is an unpleasant physical sensation, and suffering is the anxiety which it can produce. The enlightened person could be in pain, but not suffering if he were at peace with his pain. However, I do not believe that this state of total peace can be permanent. Even the Buddha has his moments of anxiety, and I am quite certain that Jesus suffered during his ultimate act of love.
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 Re: enlightenment and suffering [Re: Deviate]
#3796423 - 02/17/05 11:34 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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Enlightenment or Stupidity?
We'll never know...
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Re: enlightenment and suffering [Re: Sclorch]
#3796463 - 02/17/05 11:40 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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He looks pretty lit up to me. 
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Re: enlightenment and suffering [Re: Deviate]
#3796490 - 02/17/05 11:44 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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Move beyond mere words. 
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Do not desire to reach a high level.Rather work without thought of reward to iron out flaws and impurities in one's self for the sake of one's self.When one has done this one needs not to desire anymore. http://www.lifeforceonlinestore.com/yc/
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Re: enlightenment and suffering [Re: Deviate]
#3796548 - 02/17/05 11:56 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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no.
as defined by buddhist scriptures, enlightenment is not the end of suffering. final nirvana is the end of karma, or the end of suffering.
enlightenment is an awakening - awareness of the true nature of reality throughout one's day.
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Re: enlightenment and suffering [Re: Deviate]
#3796836 - 02/18/05 01:22 AM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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pain is your friend, it will teach you many things.
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Re: enlightenment and suffering [Re: mr crisper]
#3796879 - 02/18/05 01:40 AM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
mr crisper said:
pain is your friend, it will teach you many things.
Like not to touch the stove. 
 
Peace. 
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For I've never known completeness
Like being here
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or stabbing yourself with a syringe...
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Re: enlightenment and suffering [Re: p4kSouL]
#3796887 - 02/18/05 01:45 AM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
p4kSouL said:
or stabbing yourself with a syringe...
... which just might produce Enlightenment! 
Peace.
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I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
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awakenning to the essence of suffering
motivated by the will to end suffering
dignified by effort and the middle way
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my reply to this
has been in total haiku
i am a bad ass
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Quote:
CaptainJailew said:
my reply to this
has been in total haiku
i am a bad ass
People here express themselves as they feel they wish to express themselves. Is this wrong?
Peace.
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If I should die this very moment
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For I've never known completeness
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Loving every breath of you
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