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McFuckers
    #3796919 - 02/18/05 01:58 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

want some toys for your kids?
here ya go;









took this shots in Toys'r'us/Turkey
creepy stuff
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Re: McFuckers [Re: butterflydawn]
    #3796927 - 02/18/05 02:01 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

What do you want to bet the McDonald's toys are just as crappy as McDonald's food?

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Re: McFuckers [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3796940 - 02/18/05 02:06 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

they're trying to mind fuck.
go play with our toys,then eat our food,work for us...
they are trying to make a connection with kids when they're young,which is perfect to effect them.
thats what i think.


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Re: McFuckers [Re: butterflydawn]
    #3796951 - 02/18/05 02:11 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

They sell happy meals with toys for a reason, customer loyalty is k3y in retail.


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Re: McFuckers [Re: butterflydawn]
    #3797015 - 02/18/05 02:39 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

yeah i saw pics of those in Super Size Me.

My question is, where is my Barbie goes to Walmart set!


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Re: McFuckers [Re: butterflydawn]
    #3797268 - 02/18/05 05:33 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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they're trying to mind fuck.go play with our toys,then eat our food,work for us...they are trying to make a connection with kids when they're young,which is perfect to effect them. thats what i think.




Sounds like good marketing.


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Re: McFuckers [Re: butterflydawn]
    #3797566 - 02/18/05 08:28 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

makes you wonder whats next in the marketing brainwashing. who would go buy these stuff anyways, when theres so much cool toys around?


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Re: McFuckers [Re: BanJankri]
    #3797667 - 02/18/05 09:20 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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makes you wonder whats next in the marketing brainwashing




how is this brainwashing?


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Re: McFuckers [Re: Signo]
    #3797704 - 02/18/05 09:32 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I have a pair of younger cousins who have collected every happy meal toy for the past 8 years. Needless to say, they're fat little balls of lard. I don't know what the fuck my aunt is thinking constantly taking them there.


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Re: McFuckers [Re: Gijith]
    #3797715 - 02/18/05 09:36 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

When I was a kid, it was a treat to go to McFatty's, but I only went about once or twice a month.


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Re: McFuckers [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3797807 - 02/18/05 10:04 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Parents who don't want their kids to grow up with unhealthy eating habits should be responsible enough to feed them something other then hamburgers and fries.  It's easier to blame McDonalds. 

Personally, I think McDonalds is pretty low making those toys to try and draw in little kids to eat their crap, but I don't feel we can reasonably blame McDonalds for people being fat because they ate there.  Nobody forces anyone to eat that crap.  It's all individual choice.  I crave greasy hamburgers like you wouldn't believe sometimes, but you don't see me running off and pigging out at McDonalds because I know how unhealthy it is.  If I can restrain myself, so can other people. 

Did this turn into a mini-rant?  Sorry.  :wink:

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Re: McFuckers [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3797808 - 02/18/05 10:04 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I was lucky to make it there ONCE a month, when I was a kid.

All the kids I knew who got to eat out once or more per week are quite overweight now. Some dangerously so (>400 pounds).

Fuck McDonald's.


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Re: McFuckers [Re: trendal]
    #3797824 - 02/18/05 10:09 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Fuck the fat kids that go to McDonalds.

Unless of course, they like being fat... then god bless them.


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Re: McFuckers [Re: butterflydawn]
    #3797842 - 02/18/05 10:15 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

What exactly is the problem here? Sure, they're shitty toys, but no one's making you buy them. Parents who don't want their children to be overweight need to put their foot down and tell their kids they're not getting McDonald's for dinner. Frankly, I don't even see why kids would want toys like that. I'd just as soon buy them some Lego's, and I'm sure they'd be happier with that.


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Re: McFuckers [Re: Silversoul]
    #3797852 - 02/18/05 10:18 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe it speaks to the Activism portion of this forum?

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Re: McFuckers [Re: MOTH]
    #3797927 - 02/18/05 10:47 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Did this turn into a mini-rant? Sorry.




rant away, I like your rants. :thumbup:


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Re: McFuckers [Re: Silversoul]
    #3797934 - 02/18/05 10:48 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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I'd just as soon buy them some Lego's, and I'm sure they'd be happier with that.




Lego's = Best toy ever.


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Re: McFuckers [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3798171 - 02/18/05 11:42 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

dear ellemysh,
contrary to what you're saying,we can reasonably blame McDonalds for people being fat because they ate there.
because it is non-ethical what mcdonalts and that kind of eating places doing..
its something against nature they are doing.
same sized patateos,people driven into their restaurants by advertisements,using their capitals through capitalism and opening millions of restaurants around world and that causes to other small places closing,no animal rights etc...
list is long,
some about that topic some not.
some causes people to go fat,and they produce these reasons i believe.

and paradigm you say;

'they're shitty toys, but no one's making you buy them. Parents who don't want their children to be overweight need to put their foot down and tell their kids they're not getting McDonald's for dinner.'

wish lotsa people can see that,but they are millions who dont get it.
so its not ethical mcdonalts to do that,even you have a right to dont go to that stupid clown's place.

thats what i think.


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Re: McFuckers [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3798185 - 02/18/05 11:45 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

well mcdonalds sells toys like mcdonalds drive thru, mcdonalds play restaurant, mcdonalds cash register. other than playing the usual games, it is now kids playing as if they were actually working in mcdonalds (wow what a brilliant job it is). so as said in a magazine "who needs advertising if the kids are trained for mcjobs from the start".


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Re: McFuckers [Re: butterflydawn]
    #3798189 - 02/18/05 11:46 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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dear ellemysh,
contrary to what you're saying,we can reasonably blame McDonalds for people being fat because they ate there.
because it is non-ethical what mcdonalts and that kind of eating places doing..
its something against nature they are doing.
same sized patateos,people driven into their restaurants by advertisements,using their capitals through capitalism and opening millions of restaurants around world and that causes to other small places closing,no animal rights etc...
list is long,
some about that topic some not.
some causes people to go fat,and they produce these reasons i believe.




How can you blame McDonalds for people exercising their free will to eat there or not?  Couldn't they simply...not eat there? 

I admit I'm new to PAL...and I hate McDonalds for MANY reasons, but how can McDonalds force people to eat there?  Don't people have a choice whether or not they want to eat there?  I mean...don't they?  I'm not getting that bit...lost in translation or something.  :wink:

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Re: McFuckers [Re: BanJankri]
    #3798193 - 02/18/05 11:47 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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BanJankri said:
so as said in a magazine "who needs advertising if the kids are trained for mcjobs from the start".




that's the point


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Re: McFuckers [Re: BanJankri]
    #3798198 - 02/18/05 11:48 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I believe like the writing on cigarrettes, mcdonalds should include a sign on their products that says "unhealthy food comprised of majority fat, warning for obesity". only this way we would blame the kids enjoying the yummy bigmacs, and not the company.


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Re: McFuckers [Re: butterflydawn]
    #3798202 - 02/18/05 11:49 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Newsflash: the consumers have power over McDonalds. If people stop giving them business, then they'll start losing money eventually and scale down. But every person who buys their products supports them. McDonalds isn't forcing anything upon anyone.

Oh yeah, and those toys are fucking stupid. Only retarded kids would play with plastic food.

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Re: McFuckers [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3798208 - 02/18/05 11:50 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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they're trying to mind fuck.go play with our toys,then eat our food,work for us...they are trying to make a connection with kids when they're young,which is perfect to effect them. thats what i think.




Sounds like good marketing.





So is telling children that smoking crack will make you big and strong.


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Re: McFuckers [Re: BanJankri]
    #3798209 - 02/18/05 11:50 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I think the grease dripping from the food is more than enough warning...

Maybe we need to educate the masses that eating grease is unhealthy.

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Re: McFuckers [Re: butterflydawn]
    #3798219 - 02/18/05 11:52 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

but again even they would do that,
i still believe we can question them,critisize them...
because they would be still unethical.

i still blame governments and cigarette companies for millions dieing beacuse of cigarette related lung cancer.


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Re: McFuckers [Re: MOTH]
    #3798227 - 02/18/05 11:56 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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EllemyshShade said:
Quote:

butterflydawn said:
dear ellemysh,
contrary to what you're saying,we can reasonably blame McDonalds for people being fat because they ate there.
because it is non-ethical what mcdonalts and that kind of eating places doing..
its something against nature they are doing.
same sized patateos,people driven into their restaurants by advertisements,using their capitals through capitalism and opening millions of restaurants around world and that causes to other small places closing,no animal rights etc...
list is long,
some about that topic some not.
some causes people to go fat,and they produce these reasons i believe.




How can you blame McDonalds for people exercising their free will to eat there or not?  Couldn't they simply...not eat there? 

I admit I'm new to PAL...and I hate McDonalds for MANY reasons, but how can McDonalds force people to eat there?  Don't people have a choice whether or not they want to eat there?  I mean...don't they?  I'm not getting that bit...lost in translation or something.  :wink:




advertisements i said.
you do not know how powerful is that shit.
how they fuck your mind!

i'm studying advertising so...
believe me they are way too dangerous and powerful.
you should see those techniques,models,subconcious games...


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Re: McFuckers [Re: butterflydawn]
    #3798241 - 02/18/05 12:01 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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butterflydawn said:
Quote:

EllemyshShade said:
Quote:

butterflydawn said:
dear ellemysh,
contrary to what you're saying,we can reasonably blame McDonalds for people being fat because they ate there.
because it is non-ethical what mcdonalts and that kind of eating places doing..
its something against nature they are doing.
same sized patateos,people driven into their restaurants by advertisements,using their capitals through capitalism and opening millions of restaurants around world and that causes to other small places closing,no animal rights etc...
list is long,
some about that topic some not.
some causes people to go fat,and they produce these reasons i believe.




How can you blame McDonalds for people exercising their free will to eat there or not?  Couldn't they simply...not eat there? 

I admit I'm new to PAL...and I hate McDonalds for MANY reasons, but how can McDonalds force people to eat there?  Don't people have a choice whether or not they want to eat there?  I mean...don't they?  I'm not getting that bit...lost in translation or something.  :wink:




advertisements i said.
you do not know how powerful is that shit.
how they fuck your mind!

i'm studying advertising so...
believe me they are way too dangerous and powerful.
you should see those techniques,models,subconcious games...




I don't doubt you for one bit!  But does choice count for anything anymore?  Where do we draw the line?  When is this vicious cycle of blaming everything but ourselves for our problems going to end?  When?  Don't you believe that personal responsiblity is important? 

Do you believe that people who eat at McDonalds regularly are totally blameless for their own health problems?

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Re: McFuckers [Re: MOTH]
    #3798294 - 02/18/05 12:13 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

ofcourse i am also so angry to people who go and eat there.
i mean you do not have to be a scientist to see that truth.there is nothing about that so called education.its a simple and clear situation.
then why lotsa people eating that crap i start to think.

fast food for fast urban city life.wake up,go to your office job with your stinky car,you have so little time for eating at work.
time=money
so again capitalism we see as answer i believe.
so that biggest reason why people lost their personal responsiblities you are talking about.

so that's why i blame those companies and sytem more than individuals.
thats not mean they are innocent, i live with that system but i can critisize more.so that topic leads us to psychedelics.
i had choose advertising before i met psychedelics truly.after my psychedelic substance use started i started to see the truth.i mean we are driven by faschist education systems who makes us like that.some people open their minds some not.some by psychedelics,books,art...
and some are blinded by tv,advertisements,shopping...

but lotsa people around here eat from McDonalds,Burger King,KFC or whatsoever.

so i thought those toys are good example to show that crap,and discuss about it.

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Re: McFuckers [Re: butterflydawn]
    #3798308 - 02/18/05 12:18 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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butterflydawn said:
ofcourse i am also so angry to people who go and eat there.
i mean you do not have to be a scientist to see that truth.there is nothing about that so called education.its a simple and clear situation.
then why lotsa people eating that crap i start to think.

fast food for fast urban city life.wake up,go to your office job with your stinky car,you have so little time for eating at work.
time=money
so again capitalism we see as answer i believe.
so that biggest reason why people lost their personal responsiblities you are talking about.

so that's why i blame those companies and sytem more than individuals.
thats not mean they are innocent, i live with that system but i can critisize more.so that topic leads us to psychedelics.
i had choose advertising before i met psychedelics truly.after my psychedelic substance use started i started to see the truth.i mean we are driven by faschist education systems who makes us like that.some people open their minds some not.some by psychedelics,books,art...
and some are blinded by tv,advertisements,shopping...

but lotsa people around here eat from McDonalds,Burger King,KFC or whatsoever.

so i thought those toys are good example to show that crap,and discuss about it.

:sun:




Well, I appreciate the disussion.  :sun:  Maybe I am putting too much faith in my fellow man, but I believe that if we want change, we have to start with individuals.  We can't go up against huge corporations and hope to win.  We have to appeal to regular, everyday people and encourage them to be aware of their actions and to take responsiblity for them.  I believe it starts with us.

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Re: McFuckers [Re: MOTH]
    #3798332 - 02/18/05 12:26 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

yeah indivudualism is also important at that matter
lovely discussion,thx for participating
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Re: McFuckers [Re: butterflydawn]
    #3798689 - 02/18/05 01:46 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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butterflydawn said:
'they're shitty toys, but no one's making you buy them. Parents who don't want their children to be overweight need to put their foot down and tell their kids they're not getting McDonald's for dinner.'

wish lotsa people can see that,but they are millions who dont get it.
so its not ethical mcdonalts to do that,even you have a right to dont go to that stupid clown's place.

thats what i think.



So it's McDonalds's fault that people are stupid?


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Re: McFuckers [Re: Silversoul]
    #3798773 - 02/18/05 02:07 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Paradigm said:
Quote:

butterflydawn said:
'they're shitty toys, but no one's making you buy them. Parents who don't want their children to be overweight need to put their foot down and tell their kids they're not getting McDonald's for dinner.'

wish lotsa people can see that,but they are millions who dont get it.
so its not ethical mcdonalts to do that,even you have a right to dont go to that stupid clown's place.

thats what i think.



So it's McDonalds's fault that people are stupid?




in a way yes.
like butterfly said, not everyone gets it or knows everything that is going on. mcdonalds on the other hand does. it would be crazy to say that mcd didn't know the caolorie content of their food or how many ppl come in a day or blah blah blah. they know this and are not telling their costomers. so yes, if you are selling a sandwhich to someone and not telling them everything about it, you are keeping them "stupid"

and its up to the ppl, they have a choice and blah blah blah. but most ppl have faith and trust in mcd. if they are selling billions worldwide and want not it cant be that bad. we cant asume that everyone is on the same level of understand and has the same abilities to act upon it.

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Re: McFuckers [Re: juende]
    #3798815 - 02/18/05 02:14 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I find it amazing people here can be for legalization of drugs in respect to responsiblity of the user, and then at the same time deny that exact responsibility when it comes to eating lunch.


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Re: McFuckers [Re: looner2]
    #3798866 - 02/18/05 02:25 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

i'm not saying McDonalts should be illegal


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Re: McFuckers [Re: butterflydawn]
    #3798879 - 02/18/05 02:29 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Tell me then, what do you WANT from McDonalds?


My point is that you ask for responsiblity with drugs, and then want to relinquish that responsiblity in other areas in life.


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Re: McFuckers [Re: juende]
    #3798953 - 02/18/05 02:45 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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butterflydawn said:
'they're shitty toys, but no one's making you buy them. Parents who don't want their children to be overweight need to put their foot down and tell their kids they're not getting McDonald's for dinner.'

wish lotsa people can see that,but they are millions who dont get it.
so its not ethical mcdonalts to do that,even you have a right to dont go to that stupid clown's place.

thats what i think.



So it's McDonalds's fault that people are stupid?




in a way yes.
like butterfly said, not everyone gets it or knows everything that is going on. mcdonalds on the other hand does. it would be crazy to say that mcd didn't know the caolorie content of their food or how many ppl come in a day or blah blah blah. they know this and are not telling their costomers. so yes, if you are selling a sandwhich to someone and not telling them everything about it, you are keeping them "stupid"

and its up to the ppl, they have a choice and blah blah blah. but most ppl have faith and trust in mcd. if they are selling billions worldwide and want not it cant be that bad. we cant asume that everyone is on the same level of understand and has the same abilities to act upon it.



Does anyone actually think that burgers and fries are healthy? Go to the ghetto and ask around. I think they'll agree that anyone who doesn't know it's unhealthy is stupid.


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Re: McFuckers [Re: looner2]
    #3799065 - 02/18/05 03:06 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Tell me then, what do you WANT from McDonalds?

Not directed at me but a good question none the less.

I would like all businesses to take an interest in the health of the general public. Perhaps focus on providing healthy alternatives to the vile filth they normally market. Or at the very least refrain from offering the Monster Thickburgers or other such monstrosities. When the Monster Thickburger has nearly twice as much fat as you're supposed to have in one day can it be used responsibly?

Also if they are going to market their items to children they should market healthy items.

I'm tired of seeing my mother's daughter eating McNuggets and all the other shit they put out. If McDonald's and other companies marketed healthy products to children and started teaching them at an early age the risks of heart disease and being a tubby bitch maybe we wouldn't have as many diabetic 11 year olds.

Or maybe this is just where the majority wants to be and unfortunately it appears that it is. Fat and dying at an early age of heart disease. If it is then so be it.

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Re: McFuckers [Re: newuser1492]
    #3799110 - 02/18/05 03:16 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I would like all businesses to take an interest in the health of the general public. Perhaps focus on providing healthy alternatives to the vile filth they normally market. Or at the very least refrain from offering the Monster Thickburgers or other such monstrosities. When the Monster Thickburger has nearly twice as much fat as you're supposed to have in one day can it be used responsibly?

That sounds nice, but what if its not financially feasible to take an interest? What if doing so would cost McDonalds money? A buisness exists to make money.

So assuming McDonalds won't change because of profit reasons...

What do you want from McDonalds? Are you willing to FORCE McDonalds to act a certain way?

And yes, you can be responsible with a monster thickburger, you don't have to eat one. I don't.

I'm tired of seeing my mother's daughter eating McNuggets and all the other shit they put out. If McDonald's and other companies marketed healthy products to children and started teaching them at an early age the risks of heart disease and being a tubby bitch maybe we wouldn't have as many diabetic 11 year olds.


You want your mothers daughter to stop eating McNuggest, tell YOUR MOTHER TO STOP BUYING IT. Your mother is seeing this crap go inot her daughters mouth, but obviously she doesn't care about her health to feed her nutritious food. Your mother is cold and heartless. To see someone killing their child with sugar and fat is sickening. How can you honestly be mad at McDonalds? Tell your mother to take some responsiblity, or start caring about her family.


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Re: McFuckers [Re: newuser1492]
    #3799115 - 02/18/05 03:17 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

What's wrong with offering unhealthy food? What if some people want a McFatBurger? There's a chain of restaurants here in Southern California called Tommy's Burgers. They serve the fattiest, juciest greaseball burgers with chili you could ask for, and they're absolutely delicious. If they stopped serving those, I'd be extremely pissed(and they'd be out of business).


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Re: McFuckers [Re: Silversoul]
    #3799139 - 02/18/05 03:24 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

looner2: No I don't want anyone to force them to quit. And believe me I do tell her all the fucking time to stop feeding her daught shit but of course it falls on deaf ears. My main problem with fast food marketing is when it's done towards children. I don't by any means think it should be illegal, just that it is unethical.

Paradigm: There's nothing wrong with eating unhealthy food once in a while. But it is statistically apparent that people in this country do not eat unhealthy food occasionly. They eat it all the time and are passing that habit on to their children.

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Re: McFuckers [Re: MOTH]
    #3799145 - 02/18/05 03:26 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

This "problem" is actually QUITE easy to explain:

50% of the population has below-average intelligence. Which translates to: there are a lot of stupid people out there. That's probably an understatement, too.

With so many stupid people around, is it any wonder that so many people are doing stupid things like eat at McD's all the time?


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Re: McFuckers [Re: trendal]
    #3799149 - 02/18/05 03:28 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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This "problem" is actually QUITE easy to explain:

50% of the population has below-average intelligence. Which translates to: there are a lot of stupid people out there. That's probably an understatement, too.

With so many stupid people around, is it any wonder that so many people are doing stupid things like eat at McD's all the time?



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Re: McFuckers [Re: trendal]
    #3799233 - 02/18/05 03:54 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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This "problem" is actually QUITE easy to explain:

50% of the population has below-average intelligence. Which translates to: there are a lot of stupid people out there. That's probably an understatement, too.




The understatement of the century! And a lot of them live in my little town...

As to the main subject: when you think about it, it IS a good marketing strategy, though. Get 'em while they're young, and they're yours for life and all that. Never mind that their lives would no doubt be considerably shorter for having a steady diet of McDonalds....

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Re: McFuckers [Re: Le_Canard]
    #3799317 - 02/18/05 04:11 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Get 'em while they're young, and they're yours for life and all that.

Hey, why not! It worked great for the tobacco companies!


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Re: McFuckers [Re: trendal]
    #3799393 - 02/18/05 04:28 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

It works great for the government too

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Re: McFuckers [Re: Silversoul]
    #3799415 - 02/18/05 04:33 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

it does seem a bit too subversive when we're talking about children. i don't think they should advertise cigarettes directly to children either. and eating mcdonald's can be as unhealthy as smoking a cigarette. and both are very addicting.

people here who haven't watched super size me yet should, it gives some interesting insight into the whole situation.

they interview passer-byers about how often is it healthy to eat fast food and their answers are far, far different from those that the 100 nutritionists they interview give.

no mcdonald's shouldnt be illegal, but as this obesity problem gets bigger and bigger (no pun intended) perhaps there will be a legitimate claim for educating warning labels on their products, say if they have a certain percentage of fat or sugar? i mean, just make sure that people are making a fully-informed rational choice.


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Re: McFuckers [Re: Tao]
    #3799913 - 02/18/05 06:03 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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but as this obesity problem gets bigger and bigger (no pun intended) perhaps there will be a legitimate claim for educating warning labels on their products, say if they have a certain percentage of fat or sugar?  i mean, just make sure that people are making a fully-informed rational choice.




Do you think it will stop there?

Just as the anti-gun lobbies juuuust want this new safety lock... and then juuust banning 15 round clips... and then juuust banning handguns...etc. Until you need to go to the nearest gov't office for hunting rifle.

I am not stupid to their ultimate intention of banning all guns. Just as I am not stupid about the million anti-cigarette agencies who try to put restriction upon restriction on cigarette companies. Their ultimate goal is to run them out of buisness.

Now its the fast food industry. You think the elitists want to stop their crusade only at warning labels? Please. They would jump for joy at the sight of McDonalds shutting down. Then maybe they'll attack Hershey's chocolate!  :shocked:


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Re: McFuckers [Re: looner2]
    #3799933 - 02/18/05 06:07 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

the last significant impact on gun law was allowing the sunset clause to pass on the brady bill. gun legislation is certainly not moving in one direction, it is continually finding a middleground.


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Re: McFuckers [Re: looner2]
    #3800255 - 02/18/05 07:09 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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but as this obesity problem gets bigger and bigger (no pun intended) perhaps there will be a legitimate claim for educating warning labels on their products, say if they have a certain percentage of fat or sugar?  i mean, just make sure that people are making a fully-informed rational choice.




Do you think it will stop there?

Just as the anti-gun lobbies juuuust want this new safety lock... and then juuust banning 15 round clips... and then juuust banning handguns...etc. Until you need to go to the nearest gov't office for hunting rifle.

I am not stupid to their ultimate intention of banning all guns. Just as I am not stupid about the million anti-cigarette agencies who try to put restriction upon restriction on cigarette companies. Their ultimate goal is to run them out of buisness.

Now its the fast food industry. You think the elitists want to stop their crusade only at warning labels? Please. They would jump for joy at the sight of McDonalds shutting down. Then maybe they'll attack Hershey's chocolate!  :shocked:




Picard has a few things to say about that:

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-Jean-Luc Picard




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Re: McFuckers [Re: MOTH]
    #3800478 - 02/18/05 07:54 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

The whole argument that starting people when they're young gets them for life ignores free will. The fact is that people can and do change, and that goes for their eating habits, too. A few years ago, I could never have imagined eating a salad. I also used to prefer eating at places like Carls Jr. or Jack in the Box, whereas now I prefer Subway. I'm certainly no health nut, but I'm eating healthier than I was before. On top of that, I'm actually exercising. Crazy concept, huh?


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Re: McFuckers [Re: Silversoul]
    #3800807 - 02/18/05 08:57 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Of course everyone can change but the inclinations we're introduced to in childhood usually maintain a very strong hold through the rest of our lives.

http://www.meadjohnson.com/professional/newsletters/pp0300a1.html

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Re: McFuckers [Re: juende]
    #3802000 - 02/19/05 12:07 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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not everyone gets it or knows everything that is going on. mcdonalds on the other hand does. it would be crazy to say that mcd didn't know the caolorie content of their food or how many ppl come in a day or blah blah blah. they know this and are not telling their costomers.




The biggest problem with McDisease, Imean McDonalds is not calorie content or the amount of fat. The biggest problem is probably the giant soft drinks that get served and which, consequently, make McDross, I mean, McDonalds the most money. I don't think the percentage of people who honestly believes CocaCola is good for you is very high. Even "idiots" know refined sugar is bad news. Granted, most people don't know that highly acidic, caffeinated drinks aren't the best thing for you either.

What really makes McDrudge, I mean McDonalds so foul is not high fat content, but other things much more questionable. First of all, the problem is just as much the quality of fat that's used as the amount. The clown's not cookin' with olive oil. Of course, who does fry fries in olive oil? "Canola" and "vegetable oil" are used which are all various blends of low quality, just above industrial lubricant quality oil. These partially hydrogenated, transfatty acids are garbage. They do not occur naturally and they are created to give oil shelf-life. Plus they're cheap to produce, but as Mr. Spurlock aptly points out, something that is so bad for the health ultimately creates a great cost, no matter how cheap it was to make and have no doubt, these garbage oils are real bad for the body.

The consumption of these oils is not a McDamnables..err, McDonalds phenomenon. This shit is eaten en masse in our culture and nobody has a clue what they're doing. They just think fat is "bad" so they look for labels that say "1/3 less fat" but in reality these products are the worst for you because they contain the shittiest oils!

But the reason I will never eat McDeath again (i ate a lot of it in high school) is because it is so fake. As fake as Ronald McDonald's painted on smile. There isn't one spec of anything vital anywhere in the stuff. One of those burger patties contains the mechanically recovered flesh of hundreds of animals that were killed a looong time ago. And they weren't ever quite so much alive as they were automated, vessels for profit kept alive by antibiotics and synthetic hormones.

Their chicken products are probably worse. Ever seen how an industrial poultry farm is operated. Yikes. Do you know what mechanically recovered meat is? Look it up. What I find funny is how they brought in "chicken selects" because they were catching flack for having dark meat in their nuggets. But what they should have caught flack for was the nature of the "McNugget" itself. The flesh of a thousand sick animals scraped from the insides of dead carcasses and pressed into cute shapes then fried up in garbage oil. "Dark Meat" indeed. And they're still serving up the mechanically sperated stuff in the chicken sandwich. And of course, you can find these same types of products at your local grocery, so it's a phenomenon of gross production methods fueled by consumer ignorance.

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if you are selling a sandwhich to someone and not telling them everything about it, you are keeping them "stupid"



Caveat Emptor - Buyer Beware

The information is there. It's not the sandwich vendor's job to tell their customer everything about the sandwich, it's the nature of business. But it is entirely the customer choice to purchase and eat the sandwich. Do you wish that when you went in to buy a car that the dealer was obligated to tell you every possible danger involved in driving it? Or do you think bottles of water should have warnings that read "Warning, do not inhale contents!"?

I respect concern about others but you should be concerend about what drives something like the fast food industry, and that is consumer demand. It is wrong to attack the problem by going after fast food industry. That's like trying to tackle a society's drug problem by getting rid of dealers. If you can't understand why that's the wrong solution, re-examine the problem. As nightmarish as McDamage is, it exists for a reason.

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Re: McFuckers [Re: butterflydawn]
    #3802363 - 02/19/05 01:40 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

a book suggestion about the subject;

'The McDonaldization of Society,An Investigation into the Changing Character of Contemporary Social Life'

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Re: McFuckers [Re: Viveka]
    #3802602 - 02/19/05 04:31 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

nice post mate.


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Re: McFuckers [Re: BanJankri]
    #3802626 - 02/19/05 04:50 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

thanks. i sorta went off a bit

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Re: McFuckers [Re: Viveka]
    #3802638 - 02/19/05 05:12 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

hehe
glad you did
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Re: McFuckers [Re: butterflydawn]
    #3804935 - 02/19/05 09:51 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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dear ellemysh,
contrary to what you're saying,we can reasonably blame McDonalds for people being fat because they ate there.




How so? If people know the risk, then take it, how is it the fault of the provider? Is your impending lung cancer the "fault" of your pot dealer?
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because it is non-ethical what mcdonalts and that kind of eating places doing..
its something against nature they are doing.




They aren't making you buy their products. I've eaten at McShithole a few times before and I don't weigh 400 pounds. It's not that their products do this inherently, it's that abusing them has negative side effects.
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same sized patateos,people driven into their restaurants by advertisements,using their capitals through capitalism and opening millions of restaurants around world and that causes to other small places closing,no animal rights etc...
list is long,
some about that topic some not.




Huh?
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some causes people to go fat,and they produce these reasons i believe.




Fat is caused by storing excess energy. Providing energy isn't wrong, is it? It's the fact that people aren't burning the energy.
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wish lotsa people can see that,but they are millions who dont get it.
so its not ethical mcdonalts to do that,even you have a right to dont go to that stupid clown's place.




Maybe we should have more government interaction in this matter. I'm so tired of people doing what they want to do and thinking that they should have to pay the price. Maybe we can have government shock troops serving protein shakes on the street corner and if you decide that you want to eat something fatty, they'll just take some shots at you.


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Re: McFuckers [Re: SoopaX]
    #3805852 - 02/20/05 03:23 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

hello soopax,
you quoted a lot of what i said and disagree,
well we discussed all that issues,i explained why i think we can blame mcdonalds and etc.


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Re: McFuckers [Re: butterflydawn]
    #3808410 - 02/20/05 08:01 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Great rejoinder! You must have deleted all of the relevant content in your post, and of course you didn't bother to read what I said, and it appears that you didn't even make an effort to go point by point and comment about them. So great, you'll fit in here in PAL just wonderfully.


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Re: McFuckers [Re: SoopaX]
    #3809584 - 02/21/05 01:59 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

you say;

'They aren't making you buy their products.'

didnt i wrote my thoughts about that subject?
advertising?you remember?

i gave the answers i belive to all you quoted.
and i read what you wrote.
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Re: McFuckers [Re: butterflydawn]
    #3809672 - 02/21/05 02:46 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

whatever... you don't have to fuckin eat there or buy their crap. and that's what it comes down to.


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Re: McFuckers [Re: Locus]
    #3819028 - 02/22/05 08:10 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Advertising isn't "FORCING" someone to do something. If people can watch McDonalds advertising and not eat there, then it's clearly not force.


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Re: McFuckers [Re: SoopaX]
    #3819167 - 02/22/05 08:42 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

if you are a child and are not able to see the reality behind ronald mcdonald offering you a happy meal with a big smiling face, and if this has potential to effect your health, there seems to be a problem with the advertisement my friend.


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Re: McFuckers [Re: BanJankri]
    #3819877 - 02/22/05 10:21 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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if you are a child and are not able to see the reality behind ronald mcdonald offering you a happy meal with a big smiling face, and if this has potential to effect your health, there seems to be a problem with the advertisement my friend.



Do these children drive themselves to McDonalds and buy the happy meals themselves?


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Re: McFuckers [Re: Silversoul]
    #3820842 - 02/23/05 02:00 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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BanJankri said:
if you are a child and are not able to see the reality behind ronald mcdonald offering you a happy meal with a big smiling face, and if this has potential to effect your health, there seems to be a problem with the advertisement my friend.



Do these children drive themselves to McDonalds and buy the happy meals themselves?




this makes them cry to their parents and make them drive to mcdonalds.


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Re: McFuckers [Re: butterflydawn]
    #3821211 - 02/23/05 07:49 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

rofl

and this is McDonalds fault? How dare they try to sell their product!

And of course, it's not like McDonalds has information available in EVERY restaurant and online about the nutrition content of their "food"

http://www.mcdonalds.com/usa/eat/nutrition_info.html

Er, oh, yea, they do.

http://www.mcdonalds.com/app_controller.nutrition.categories.happymeals.index.html

Expecting parents to actually PARENT their children when we could just as easily blame some company and institute laws against them is idiotic! Some stupid neocon must have thought of this.


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Re: McFuckers [Re: SoopaX]
    #3821213 - 02/23/05 07:50 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

http://www.mcdonalds.com/app_controller.nutrition.nutrition_tips.choicesforkids.index.html

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McDonald?s? offers a range of menu options to help meet your family?s nutrition needs. When it comes to eating with your kids at McDonald?s, you can feel good knowing that our Happy Meals and Mighty Kids Meals contain important nutrients that growing kids need.

Our kids meals also offer a variety of choices to help your child achieve the right balance between the amount of calories consumed and the amount burned off through physical activity. The newest options in our Happy Meals and Mighty Kids Meals include Apple Dippers with Low Fat Caramel Dip, 1% Low Fat White or Chocolate Milk Jugs and an Apple Juice Box.

Below are some popular Happy Meals and Mighty Kids Meals that supply about 1/3 of a child?s estimated daily calorie requirements.*


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Re: McFuckers [Re: SoopaX]
    #3821302 - 02/23/05 08:34 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Ok I just don't get it. There are enough posters in this thread, saying that its McDonalds fault and that they should be held responsible... for something.

What do you want done to them? Don't say, "we want them to offer better food"... listen... if you want them to be forced by the governement to do something, then say it. Don't beat around the bush. Tell us how you want to destroy mcdonalds through gov't interference... give details please.


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Re: McFuckers [Re: looner2]
    #3821364 - 02/23/05 09:01 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I think that McDonlalds is a basically irresponsible and morally corrupt organization in part because it aggresively markets unhealthy crap to children.

However, I don't think that the government exists to legislate my morallity, so I'll express my outrage by not eating at mcdonalds, and encourage other people to do the same.

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Re: McFuckers [Re: SoopaX]
    #3821404 - 02/23/05 09:12 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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SoopaX said:
rofl

and this is McDonalds fault? How dare they try to sell their product!

And of course, it's not like McDonalds has information available in EVERY restaurant and online about the nutrition content of their "food"

http://www.mcdonalds.com/usa/eat/nutrition_info.html

Er, oh, yea, they do.

http://www.mcdonalds.com/app_controller.nutrition.categories.happymeals.index.html

Expecting parents to actually PARENT their children when we could just as easily blame some company and institute laws against them is idiotic! Some stupid neocon must have thought of this.




alright,
you are totally blind.
your mind fucked by tv,advertising,governments etc.

'How dare they try to sell their product!'

i discussed that issue before.capitalism.so yeah how dare they try to sell their crap by mind fucking!

'And of course, it's not like McDonalds has information available in EVERY restaurant and online about the nutrition content of their "food"'

wowww,how cool is that?
that doesnt mean a single thing my friend.

and again i'm not sayin mcdonalds should be illegalised!
ok?
i said that thousand times.
i'm just saying its not ethical what they do!!!!!!!
ok????

lovely to discuss about that issue,
but you just saying the same shit that i explained.


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Re: McFuckers [Re: phi1618]
    #3821411 - 02/23/05 09:14 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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phi1618 said:
I think that McDonlalds is a basically irresponsible and morally corrupt organization in part because it aggresively markets unhealthy crap to children.

However, I don't think that the government exists to legislate my morallity, so I'll express my outrage by not eating at mcdonalds, and encourage other people to do the same.




thats what i do too.  :thumbup:
keep it up!
we have to critisize more!

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Re: McFuckers [Re: looner2]
    #3821434 - 02/23/05 09:21 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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looner2 said:
Ok I just don't get it. There are enough posters in this thread, saying that its McDonalds fault and that they should be held responsible... for something.

What do you want done to them? Don't say, "we want them to offer better food"... listen... if you want them to be forced by the governement to do something, then say it. Don't beat around the bush. Tell us how you want to destroy mcdonalds through gov't interference... give details please.




I'd also like to hear some details on a plan of action from you Anti-Mc.Donalds guys. What do you hope to accomplish here...what do you want from Mc.Donalds?

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Re: McFuckers [Re: MOTH]
    #3821484 - 02/23/05 09:34 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

well I responded to this earlier. I am comparing the food of mcdonalds to tobacco, and consumers must have preknowledge on what they are eating and what health consequences it has. if your a company with millions of consumers everyday, you have the responsibility to provide this. people have the right to know what they are actually eating. so a big warning on those greasy big macs, a warning on their synthetic fries. I dont think this is too much to ask.


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Re: McFuckers [Re: BanJankri]
    #3821494 - 02/23/05 09:38 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

^^^^^
-consumers must have preknowledge on what they are eating and what health consequences it has(not on internet!!!)


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Re: McFuckers [Re: BanJankri]
    #3821503 - 02/23/05 09:39 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Fair enough. Your idea of unhealthy food is McDonalds... my idea of unhealthy food is white bread and pasta. With the advent of diabetes and heart disease, people that think these foods are dangerous need to be warned.

I want warning labels on all pasta and white bread with the message

"Warning, these foods will spike your insulin to dangerous levels, and over time could result in weight gain, diabetes, and heart disease. Consume at your own risk."


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    #3821608 - 02/23/05 10:09 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Starchy foods increase the risk of diabetes, if you eat them regularly, but within reasonable amounts, you'll be fine.


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Re: McFuckers [Re: Phluck]
    #3821664 - 02/23/05 10:27 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Starchy foods increase the risk of diabetes, if you eat them regularly, but within reasonable amounts, you'll be fine.

The less the better, period. That is why I demand a warning label.


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    #3822081 - 02/23/05 12:11 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I demand that every politician and activist come with a warning label as well.


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Re: McFuckers [Re: butterflydawn]
    #3822122 - 02/23/05 12:22 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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butterflydawn said:
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Paradigm said:
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BanJankri said:
if you are a child and are not able to see the reality behind ronald mcdonald offering you a happy meal with a big smiling face, and if this has potential to effect your health, there seems to be a problem with the advertisement my friend.



Do these children drive themselves to McDonalds and buy the happy meals themselves?




this makes them cry to their parents and make them drive to mcdonalds.



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Re: McFuckers [Re: butterflydawn]
    #4020706 - 04/06/05 08:24 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

first of all, before you all shout 'advertisement is very powefull, you've been brainwashed', I know that advertising is very manipulative and powerfull.

I don't think Mac is to be blamed for people getting fat. If you go to the supermarket and buy hamburgers and fry them with a whole stick of butter it's even worse for you. should supermarkets stop selling butter?

Also people know it isn't healthy to eat too much fastfood. I heard someone say that 50% of the people have below average intelligence. This is true, but having a below average intelligence doesn't immediately mean that you're stupid. You have to be VERY dumb to not being able to understand that eating fast food everyday is bad. Especially since everywhere you look eating healthy is greatly promoted. Everyone can see it, the information it's just all over the place so most people know.

It's also an issue of self-control and moderation. Eating at the Mac once in a while doesn't really do any harm, it's just the people who can't keep moderation that get overweight. Reminder: it's not just people who eat at McDonalds who have overweight, they just like to eat fat food. If there weren't a Mac etc nearby they would probably make greasy hamburgers by themselves all the time. It's a part of todays culture that many people eat very fat. Now all the 'health promoting' is trying to change that.

So people know it's not healthy and have plenty of other healthy options. If they choose not to eat healthy it's really their problem imo. Some people that are actually addicted to fast food might need some help/therapy though.

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Re: McFuckers [Re: butterflydawn]
    #4026984 - 04/07/05 03:33 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

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advertisements i said.
you do not know how powerful is that shit.
how they fuck your mind!

i'm studying advertising so...
believe me they are way too dangerous and powerful.
you should see those techniques,models,subconcious games...




Advertisement is only incredibly powerful when weilded against those who act without thought; that is, idiots and dim-wits. Ads have far less of an effect on those who actually think in their day to day lives; rather than thinking "HEY IM GONNA HAVE IT MY WAY!", you merely become aware of a business and their products through their ads -- not controlled by their ads.

Seriously. Fuck the dumb. Don't punish people because other people either can't or don't choose to think about their actions. That's bad news.

The problem is not on McDonald's side of the fence. They offer an honest product -- not a great hamburger, but a quick hamburger of generally decent quality.

The problem is people are dumb and lazy.
Really, insert any situation and that statement still would hold true...

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When the Monster Thickburger has nearly twice as much fat as you're supposed to have in one day can it be used responsibly?




Honestly I've got about as much faith in what the FDA tells me as.. well, yeah. none.

All their guidelines are based around a 2,000 calorie a day diet.

I know back in high school, I was eating around 3,500 to 4,500 calories a day -- and was completely unable to gain a single pound. Not that I was sitting around, either, I was working out and blah blah blah.
Point is: FDA guidelines are just that, GUIDELINES.. roughly, about, almost, if you're 'average', whatever that is.

And there's still a great deal of confusion about exactly which fats are good, which are bad, how bad, how good, does quantity matter more than type, what else blagaklhasjl.


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Re: McFuckers [Re: Mushmonkey]
    #4027765 - 04/07/05 06:20 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I think I'll continue with my sobriety.

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Re: McFuckers [Re: Innvertigo]
    #4027808 - 04/07/05 06:31 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Anyone who sells a product proven to harm people is guilty of the harm caused by the product. Sure, people could "just say no" to McDonalds and close them down through market activity, but most of the other alternate choices in "fast food" are equally unhealthy, and someone else would just take their place.

Offer people goods that contribute to their health, and you are a good business model.


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Re: McFuckers [Re: Mushmonkey]
    #4029734 - 04/08/05 06:08 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

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Advertisement is only incredibly powerful when weilded against those who act without thought; that is, idiots and dim-wits. Ads have far less of an effect on those who actually think in their day to day lives; rather than thinking "HEY IM GONNA HAVE IT MY WAY!", you merely become aware of a business and their products through their ads -- not controlled by their ads.]



you're not completely right here, advertisements do also have impact on people "who actually think in their day to day lives". It might be smaller than for those who 'not think' but it sure is there. If you think you are 100% not influenced by commercials you are wrong.

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Re: McFuckers [Re: stefan]
    #4030090 - 04/08/05 08:59 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

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I heard someone say that 50% of the people have below average intelligence.




Dude. That's automatcally true, it demonstrates nothing.


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Re: McFuckers [Re: Smallworlds]
    #4030274 - 04/08/05 10:17 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

duh.. I know. I just posted it as a preamble for the stuff I wrote after that sentence. The person who wrote it down made it look like all people with below average intelligence are stupid.
I agree that I didn't write it down like I should have done it. It indeed looks like I was trying to demonstrate something but I wasn't. That's the problem with not having english as my native language :shrug:

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Re: McFuckers [Re: stefan]
    #4030721 - 04/08/05 12:14 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I used to work in the  bakery at a grocery store. The job was terrible! I had to be there at five in the morning and it was my responsibility to stock the donut case.

It's amazing how many people eat donuts for breakfast every single day! The shits like crack, everyone loves a maple bar!  :syringe:
I started feeling immoral about that job. I felt like I was dealing death to these people. I mean could practically feel their arteries clogging. :eek:

Needless to say, I don't eat doughnuts anymore. :thumbdown:


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Re: McFuckers [Re: butterflydawn]
    #4030979 - 04/08/05 01:40 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Pepl just need to practice personal responsibility. Everyone knows that McD's burgers are bad for you, so if youignore the health risks and get fat and have a heart attack, whose fault is that?

McDonald's? Nope.

This is the same nonsense that allows people to blame school shootings on video games and television.

This discussion is heavy prevalent in the discussion of drug usage. I'm sure most of you would support personal autonomy in the usage of drugs, so why shouldn't this apply across the board? If you feel you are responsible enough to use drugs, you should be responsible enough to realize that your decision will have consequences.

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Re: McFuckers [Re: stefan]
    #4032708 - 04/08/05 10:12 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

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duh.. I know. I just posted it as a preamble for the stuff I wrote after that sentence. The person who wrote it down made it look like all people with below average intelligence are stupid.
I agree that I didn't write it down like I should have done it. It indeed looks like I was trying to demonstrate something but I wasn't. That's the problem with not having english as my native language :shrug: 




right on brother, I was just wondering. I was saying Tobacco companies got sued for causing tobacco related illnesses in their customers, perhaps fast food joints could be sued for causing obesity.


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