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Invisiblespudamore
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illusion
    #3794558 - 02/17/05 07:19 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Our own interpretation of what illusions are, is an illusion in itself.


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Edited by spudamore (02/17/05 07:30 PM)


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Re: illusion [Re: spudamore]
    #3794591 - 02/17/05 07:25 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

The only thing I can see wrong about that statement, is that it needs a comma! nice wording!


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Re: illusion [Re: spudamore]
    #3795307 - 02/17/05 10:29 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

spudamore said:
Our own interpretation of what illusions are, is an illusion in itself.




Except in a case of the person performing the illusion....  They would indeed interpret it as an illusion by definition - knowing that an audience would perceive it as an illusion, but the performer would also know and perceive it as not so much an illusion at all.... 

UNLESS, the performer can trick himself into believing it is an illusion....(?)

:shrug:


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Re: illusion [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #3795778 - 02/17/05 11:34 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

so one persons truth is another persons illusion?


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Re: illusion [Re: spudamore]
    #3795948 - 02/18/05 12:05 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

That my friend all boils down to one's own perception.... 

I would be ignorantly speculating as to say what someone else's "Illusion" OR "Truth" is....

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Re: illusion [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #3796195 - 02/18/05 01:01 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Why, did that statement need a comma?


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Re: illusion [Re: spudamore]
    #3796305 - 02/18/05 01:20 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

spudamore said:
Our own interpretation of what illusions are, is an illusion in itself.




I actually disagree.

An illusion can contain logical (or mathematical, etc.) truths. If the definitions of what numbers represent is accepted, then 2+2=4 no matter what. Period. Certain absolutes are true no matter what... they're CONCEPTS and perception of them is not required for them to be true.

If the DEFINITION of illusion is accepted, then the DEFINITION is not an illusion. What you're actually getting at is this:
Our perceptions are based in illusion. And from this illusory perception we are able to experience the process of understanding the definition of the word illusion.


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Re: illusion [Re: Sclorch]
    #3796412 - 02/18/05 01:33 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Perhaps not - if the illusion creates a sensible and clear enough reality then it stops becoming and illusions and sort of morphs into another dimension of reality. A simulation of reality which is so real it is a perfect copy, so beautiful though that we fall in love with this illusory reality and conception and always strive to live within the illusion. The sense and simulacra (boudrillard's terms) are what perpetually drive people's sense and will to live (in his POV.)

I guess it just boils down to the limits and depths of one's perception and what happens when you confront those illusions.




Edit - Sorry if i am rambling. No excuses here, just an apology.


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Edited by CaptainJailew (02/18/05 01:33 AM)


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Re: illusion [Re: CaptainJailew]
    #3796453 - 02/18/05 01:39 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah...

Baudrillard was really on to something.
What sucks is that he hasn't been able to take it further (much like Matrix 2&3).


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Re: illusion [Re: spudamore]
    #3796710 - 02/18/05 02:42 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

The interpretation is an illusion.


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Re: illusion [Re: Somaism]
    #3796747 - 02/18/05 02:51 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

WoW, you are like a chameleon in this thread....!   

UNLESS, it is just an illusion....(?)    :confused:
:::::scratching head:::::


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Re: illusion [Re: Somaism]
    #3796993 - 02/18/05 04:31 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

truth an interpretation of an illusion?


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Re: illusion [Re: spudamore]
    #3797780 - 02/18/05 11:57 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Somaism said:
The interpretation is an illusion.



Quote:

spudamore said:
truth [is] an interpretation of an illusion?




It can be.


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Re: illusion [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #3798229 - 02/18/05 01:56 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

>UNLESS, the performer can trick himself into believing it is an illusion....(?)
-Sounds like religion to me.


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Re: illusion [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #3798235 - 02/18/05 01:59 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

maybe this thread is.....no, it couldn't be.


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Re: illusion [Re: uriahchase]
    #3798533 - 02/18/05 03:09 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

any form or concept and any dualism
yet these form hand holds
that serve while climbing
from one confusing place
to another.
sometimes we can share them and it
yields huge belly laughter when we
are in synch


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