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Invisibledblaney
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An Eye for an Eye
    #3793801 - 02/17/05 04:51 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Our current judicial system seems to be more based on an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth punishment system.

Do you think a judicial system based on rehabilitation or simply not revenge would work or even be better than the current one? Why/why not?


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Re: An Eye for an Eye [Re: dblaney]
    #3793950 - 02/17/05 05:24 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

why call it a digging tool? an spade for a spade? :P


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Re: An Eye for an Eye [Re: dblaney]
    #3794041 - 02/17/05 05:45 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, I think preventing the circumstances that lead to crime would be a better option than trying to repress crime by means of punishment, if that's what you're asking.

However, our entire way of living revolves around the use of scape goats. Responsibility, one of the supposedly crucial elements of adulthood is based on the idea that if something happens, someone is to be held accountable.
It's easier to seek revenge than to find forgiveness. Christianity has apparently taught us (our leaders) nothing.


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Re: An Eye for an Eye [Re: Alan Stone]
    #3794270 - 02/17/05 06:28 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I think a system based on teaching people how to love and rehabillitating them like this would work fine because when you love you do no wrong.


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Re: An Eye for an Eye [Re: MAGnum]
    #3794329 - 02/17/05 06:40 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

How do you define rehabilitation? what is the status quo of morality that one should be rehabilitated to?


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Re: An Eye for an Eye [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #3794622 - 02/17/05 07:32 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Simply Love. When you love everything, you don't need to worry about morals because you don't harm anything.

Alot of people won't like me saying that, but they feel that love isn't enough and that love is a deep rooted ignorance. I am not even trying to quote John Lennon by saying Love is enough. We both happenned to come to the same conclusions. If everyone loved, there would be no crime.


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Re: An Eye for an Eye [Re: dblaney]
    #3794642 - 02/17/05 07:36 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

The problem with the judicial system is If you have enough money to afford a lawyers chances are they will be more lenient. If you cant afford a lawyer you get slammed with the book.


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Re: An Eye for an Eye [Re: MAGnum]
    #3794680 - 02/17/05 07:46 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Simply Love. When you love everything, you don't need to worry about morals because you don't harm anything.

I love a turkey sandwich. How does that protect the turkeys from harm?


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Re: An Eye for an Eye [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #3794710 - 02/17/05 07:53 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Then how do you define love? it is an abstract idea. Everyone here would give a different definition of love. People do crazy shit out of love. Respect is more important in my eyes. If you can "rehabilitate" a criminal to respect the quality of others, then you have succeeded. Right now we work on fear, which is also a deterrent of crime, but doesnt always work. Criminals dont respect the law, they fear it. how many people would actually rob a church? not as many as people who would rob a person or a store. Why? because they either have respect for the church and its sanctity, or they fear the consequences of God. They would rather rob a convenient store because they have no respect for Bill behind the corner, or for Lisa who owns the store. People have killed out of love.


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Re: An Eye for an Eye [Re: Swami]
    #3794764 - 02/17/05 08:13 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I know you like to twist things Swami. If you truly loved the turkey, you wouldn't eat it. Saying that you love to harm the turkey bye making it into a sandwich shows apathy for the bird which is not love.

Fruits and Vegitables are the best thing because the plants give them to be eaten freely so thier seeds may be scatterred. Most plants even have points where the fruit is to be severred from the stem.

Love is key.


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Re: An Eye for an Eye [Re: dblaney]
    #3794950 - 02/17/05 09:28 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

right now i dont see alot of programs in prisons for rehabilitating convicts (unless your a pederass) its sad that you could go to jail for drug offences or robbery, get put on a list for a rehab program of some type and serve your entire sentence w/o ever getting into that program. it happens all the time, unfortunately.

prisons are just temporary storage facilities for society's unwanted IMO. and people wonder why the recidivism rate is so high for convicted felons.


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Re: An Eye for an Eye [Re: Swami]
    #3795185 - 02/17/05 10:03 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
Simply Love. When you love everything, you don't need to worry about morals because you don't harm anything.

I love a turkey sandwich. How does that protect the turkeys from harm?




Love of sandwich eating is of a completely different variety of 'love' from the love of others.


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Re: An Eye for an Eye [Re: jux]
    #3796174 - 02/18/05 12:56 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

jux said:
Love of sandwich eating is of a completely different variety of 'love' from the love of others.



I love eating a hot blond sandwich with a mouth watering latina center.


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Re: An Eye for an Eye [Re: Swami]
    #3796315 - 02/18/05 01:22 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
Simply Love. When you love everything, you don't need to worry about morals because you don't harm anything.

I love a turkey sandwich. How does that protect the turkeys from harm?



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