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apt-get remove fails
    #3793558 - 02/17/05 01:45 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

i tried to remove apache2

box:~# apt-get remove apache2
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
apache2
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 25 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B of archives.
After unpacking 77.8kB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y
(Reading database ... 37248 files and directories currently installed.)
Removing apache2 ...


then i looked around and it looks like it didn't remove a single file
I can even still start apache

i tried to remove it again

box:~# apt-get remove apache2
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Package apache2 is not installed, so not removed
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 25 not upgraded.
box:~#


so i reinstalled it

box:~# apt-get install apache2
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
The following NEW packages will be installed:
apache2
0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 25 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B/31.2kB of archives.
After unpacking 77.8kB of additional disk space will be used.
Selecting previously deselected package apache2.
(Reading database ... 37246 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking apache2 (from .../apache2_2.0.52-3_i386.deb) ...
Setting up apache2 (2.0.52-3) ...
box:~#

why didn't it ask me if i was sure i wanted to install? Y/n ?!?!
it didn't even download apache from one of my sources
it just set it up like it was already on the comp.

so now i tried with the --purge option

box:~# apt-get remove --purge apache2
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
apache2*
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 25 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B of archives.
After unpacking 77.8kB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y
(Reading database ... 37248 files and directories currently installed.)
Removing apache2 ...
box:~#

and everything is still there, it didn't remove anything
I can even still start apache and view the test page at localhost

how the hell do i remove apache from my system?


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Re: apt-get remove fails [Re: sherm]
    #3793596 - 02/17/05 01:54 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Did you run that as root?

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Re: apt-get remove fails [Re: newuser1492]
    #3793632 - 02/17/05 02:01 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

yes sir


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Re: apt-get remove fails [Re: sherm]
    #3793647 - 02/17/05 02:04 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Did you stop it, first? In linux you can remove things that are running...

Get back to base, have it installed and such.

Then run:
Code:
/etc/init.d/apache stop


To stop it. Maybe your script is called apache2; I'm not sure as I only use apache1 right now so play around with it.

Now run:
Code:
apt-get --purge remove apache2



If it still isn't going away, make sure it is stopped:
Code:
ps aux | grep apache


If not, kill all the processes.

At this point, if you were following along, you have already removed and purged it, so your next step is to say "fuck you apt!" and go closer to TheSouce (TM).
Code:
dpkg --purge apache2


You could also try:
Code:
dpkg --remove --pending



Quoth the manpage:
Quote:

dpkg -r | --remove | -P | --purge package ... | -a | --pending
Remove an installed package. -r or --remove remove everything except configuration files. This may avoid having to reconfigure the package if it is reinstalled later. (Configuration files are the files listed in the debian/conffiles control file). -P or --purge
removes everything, including configuration files. If -a or --pending is given instead of a package name, then all packages unpacked, but marked to be removed or purged in file /var/lib/dpkg/status, are removed or purged, respectively.

Removing of a package consists of the following steps:
1. Run prerm script
2. Remove the installed files
3. Run postrm script




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Re: apt-get remove fails [Re: delta9]
    #3793863 - 02/17/05 03:08 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

i tried just like you said

box:~# apache2 -k stop
box:~# ps aux | grep apache
box:~# apt-get --purge remove apache2
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  apache2*
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 25 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B of archives.
After unpacking 77.8kB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y
(Reading database ... 37248 files and directories currently installed.)
Removing apache2 ...
box:~# whereis apache2
apache2: /usr/sbin/apache2 /etc/apache2 /usr/lib/apache2 /usr/include/apache2 /usr/share/apache2 /usr/share/man/man8/apache2.8.gz
box:~# ps aux | grep apache
box:~# dpkg --purge apache2
dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove apache2 which isn't installed.
box:~# dpkg --remove --pending
box:~#                                               


i also tried to re-install it and then run  ##dpkg --purge apache2
same outcome
apache still installed on the system

are these the prerm and postrm scpipts?
/var/lib/dpkg/info/apache2-common.prerm
/var/lib/dpkg/info/apache2-common.postrm

i also tried this

box:~# apt-get install apache2
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  apache2
0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 25 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B/31.2kB of archives.
After unpacking 77.8kB of additional disk space will be used.
Selecting previously deselected package apache2.
(Reading database ... 37246 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking apache2 (from .../apache2_2.0.52-3_i386.deb) ...
Setting up apache2 (2.0.52-3) ...
box:~# ps aux | grep apache
box:~# /var/lib/dpkg/info/apache2-common.prerm
box:~# dpkg --purge apache2
(Reading database ... 37248 files and directories currently installed.)
Removing apache2 ...
box:~# /var/lib/dpkg/info/apache2-common.postrm
box:~# dpkg --remove --pending
box:~# whereis apache2
apache2: /usr/sbin/apache2 /etc/apache2 /usr/lib/apache2 /usr/include/apache2 /usr/share/apache2 /usr/share/man/man8/apache2.8.gz
box:~#   


no luck                                             
now i'm realy lost
what should i try now??


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Re: apt-get remove fails [Re: sherm]
    #3793913 - 02/17/05 03:18 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

You're forgetting to remove a package.

Quote:

root@bluemoon:/root# apt-get install apache2
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
apache2-common apache2-mpm-worker libapr0 libldap2 ssl-cert

Suggested packages:
apache2-doc
The following NEW packages will be installed:
apache2 apache2-common apache2-mpm-worker libapr0 libldap2 ssl-cert
0 upgraded, 6 newly installed, 0 to remove and 71 not upgraded.
Need to get 6904B/1518kB of archives.
After unpacking 5042kB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y




So you simply have to remove the apache2-common package as well:
Quote:

root@bluemoon:/root# apt-get --purge remove apache2 apache2-common
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
apache2* apache2-common* apache2-mpm-worker*
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 3 to remove and 71 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B of archives.
After unpacking 3916kB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y
(Reading database ... 18589 files and directories currently installed.)
Removing apache2 ...
Removing apache2-mpm-worker ...
Stopping web server: Apache2apache2: Could not determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName
httpd (no pid file) not running
.
Removing apache2-common ...
Purging configuration files for apache2-common ...
root@bluemoon:/root# whereis apache2
apache2:





You could use `dpkg -l | grep apache2' to find out which installed packages contain "apache2".

Also you could use `apt-cache search' to find other related packages (`apt-cache search apache2*', for example).


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Re: apt-get remove fails [Re: delta9]
    #3794052 - 02/17/05 03:47 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

WOOOOOO

it worked
thats great
thanks alot

can you point me towards some good debian or general linux reading material?
other than the obvious www.debian.org

i'm trying to learn as much as i possibly can

thanks again
that was a wonderfull learning experiance


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Re: apt-get remove fails [Re: sherm]
    #3794086 - 02/17/05 03:54 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

General linux:
Quote:

man, info
The Linux Documentation Project



Debian linux:
Quote:

/usr/share/doc
irc.freenode.org #debian
Newbiedoc
DebianHelp
Debian Mailing Lists




And of course, many forums around the internet, including this one.


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Re: apt-get remove fails [Re: sherm]
    #3795047 - 02/17/05 07:42 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

One of the best linux books I've read.

http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/

What is your intended use for the computer? Debian's great, it's what I have running on my mail and web server. But if you're planning on using the computer as a workstation I highly recommend MEPIS.

I started out with red hat then quickly moved to slackware. After that I used Debian for a while and had a brief encounter with Gentoo. Now I'm running MEPIS on my workstation and it is simply incredible. It's based on Debian but has much better hardware support and an excellent installer.

The install is beautiful. I booted from the MEPIS CD as it contains a Live distro. After booting from the CD I went to shoutcast and listened to music while I installed MEPIS to my hd from within the Live distro environment. Installation took maybe 20 minutes, probably a lot less than that.

Mepis retains all the Debian package management features.

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Re: apt-get remove fails [Re: newuser1492]
    #3795588 - 02/17/05 09:03 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

cb9fl said:
What is your intended use for the computer? Debian's great, it's what I have running on my mail and web server. But if you're planning on using the computer as a workstation I highly recommend MEPIS.



Ewww!  Why?

Quote:

Now I'm running MEPIS on my workstation and it is simply incredible. It's based on Debian but has much better hardware support and an excellent installer.

The install is beautiful. I booted from the MEPIS CD as it contains a Live distro. After booting from the CD I went to shoutcast and listened to music while I installed MEPIS to my hd from within the Live distro environment. Installation took maybe 20 minutes, probably a lot less than that.



Great!  I don't know if you noticed, but he already has debian installed and his hardware is obviously supported, therefore he has NO reason to switch to MEPIS...  It would be a pain in the fucking ass to reinstall an OS that is meant to never need a reinstall unless you seriously FUBAR it JUST for a "nifty" install that auto detects your already configured and detected hardware :wink:

Quote:

Mepis retains all the Debian package management features.



But don't try and use any official Debian mirrors!  Which, consequently means that it does not retain all of Debian's package management features...  The software is only a part of it; Policy is the real driving force and genious behind Debian's great package management.
Quote:

22:51 <dpkg> MEPIS is a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system. Uses KDE by default, and includes the nVidia proprietary 3D driver. It also includes a custom installer on the KDE desktop, with simple LILO configuration. See http://www.mepis.org. It is NOT real Debian, attempts to use apt-get with Debian mirrors will meet with a world of hurt.




Personally, I don't want all its default crap, no thank you.  But that's just one of my beefs with it :smile:.


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Re: apt-get remove fails [Re: delta9]
    #3795831 - 02/17/05 09:46 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Ewww! Why?

Because Debian is one of the oldest and most stable distro's in existence.

But don't try and use any official Debian mirrors!

Quote:

# See sources.list(5) for more information, especially

# This file may be edited by the MEPIS System Center
# Do not modify the comments manually!
# Change sources only in the section at the end of this file!

# Primary
deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free
#deb-src ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free
deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free
#deb-src ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free

# non-us
deb ftp://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US testing/non-US main contrib non-free
#deb-src ftp://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US testing/non-US main contrib non-f
deb ftp://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main contrib non-free
#deb-src ftp://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main contrib non-

# MEPIS cds
#deb file:/mnt/cdrom unstable main

# MEPIS pool - specific packages available on-line
deb http://2005.mepis.org/mepis unstable main





My sources.list in /etc/apt directly from the install. Just "apt-get update" "apt-get upgrade" today for the third time with absolutely no problems.

It isn't the hardware detection that I enjoy as much as the preconfigured plugins and overall usability of the distro. I have read many positive reactions from MEPIS users and considering it's rank on distrowatch.org it apparently has a large user base.

If you don't like it because of your experience then so be it. But don't blow it off as some untested, unreliable distro.

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Re: apt-get remove fails [Re: newuser1492]
    #3796535 - 02/17/05 11:53 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

cb9fl said:
Ewww! Why?

Because Debian is one of the oldest and most stable distro's in existence.



And now you show your complete ignorance of Debian, and apparently MEPIS.  MEPIS is based on debian/unstable, which is one of the debian trees.  The "oldest and most stable" is "debian/stable", currently "debian/woody".  Right now, "debian/sarge" is half frozen as it will soon become the stable distro (soon in debian terms, not yours), but it is currently the "debian/testing" distrobution.  "debian/unstable" is known as sid.  I run all three across mutliple boxes.

Quote:

But don't try and use any official Debian mirrors!



These are not my words, these are the words given to me by the freenode #debian bot, dpkg, apparently the factoid is from almost a year ago - if it is fixed to use official debian mirrors by now, then all the better...  That makes it even less useful to me, because you might as well be running debian/unstable.

This is a bad idea, though, generally.  Things can break in unstable - you aren't meant to use unstable until you know what you are doing, and it is very bad form for MEPIS, a distro targeted to, no offense, newbies to be running unstable and not warning users.

Quote:

deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free
deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free

deb ftp://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US testing/non-US main contrib non-free
deb ftp://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main contrib non-free

deb http://2005.mepis.org/mepis unstable main




What are your apt-pinnings?  How often do you use the `apt-get -t'?  What exactly is in the MEPIS pool - that certainly isn't official Debian.

Quote:

It isn't the hardware detection that I enjoy as much as the preconfigured plugins and overall usability of the distro.



How is it any different from using Debian, then?  What preconfigured plugins are in MEPIS that aren't in Debian?  WHY should sherm really switch - or anyone else, for that matter?

Quote:

I have read many positive reactions from MEPIS users and considering it's rank on distrowatch.org it apparently has a large user base.



freenode #mepis approximately 30 users; freenode #debian approximately 750 users.  Both distros have a following...  You're not giving him any reason to switch.

Quote:

If you don't like it because of your experience then so be it. But don't blow it off as some untested, unreliable distro.



I never called it untested or unrelaible.  You put words in my mouth.  I think it is certainly an unresponsible distrobution that offers nothing more than Debian except for its own hardware detection and a LiveCD.

I could also have replied, "if you don't like debian because of your ignorance, then so be it.  But don't blow it off as some out of date, hard to set up distro."

I hate distro evangelism.  :rolleyes:


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Re: apt-get remove fails [Re: delta9]
    #3797316 - 02/18/05 06:32 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Distro evangelism? I'm not saying any distro is bad or good just that I really like this one and have had zero problems with it. Well I will say I hated Red Hat.

There is a tone of disgust in your posts about MEPIS. I think it is certainly an unresponsible distrobution

If you don't like it that's fine but don't make it out to be a horrible distribution. I enjoy it and it has a wide following. Try it out with the LiveCD and see how well it works for you.

And in response to if you don't like debian because of your ignorance, then so be it.

That is simply wrong seeing as above I posted I'm running a Debian server for web/mail. I really like Debian and would recommend it for server applications. I ran it for a while on my workstation and had no problems with it. What I like better about MEPIS is the preinstalled applications, the k menu set up nicely. The preinstalled and skinned remote desktop connection (for connecting to Terminal Servers). Java/Real Player/Acrobat Reader all preinstalled. Firefox configured with media player plugins. Azureus already installed and configured.

I like that I was able to take an OS right off the CD and have all the applications and plugins already working.

Some people love complete control over the configuration of their distro. For them I think Gentoo is the way to go. On the other hand I like some of the more menial tasks to be configured for me which is why I enjoy MEPIS.

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Re: apt-get remove fails [Re: newuser1492]
    #3797354 - 02/18/05 06:52 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

:nonono: We'll just have to agree to disagree, mmmkay?  We've jacked this thread long enough and I am about to pass out :smile:

Quote:

What is your intended use for the computer? Debian's great, it's what I have running on my mail and web server. But if you're planning on using the computer as a workstation I highly recommend MEPIS.



This is called "distro evangelism".  The topic poster asked a question about operating a specific application on a specific distrobution - he didn't ask your opinion on what you think is a better workstation distrobution; he doesn't appear to have a problem with his current one, yet.  Wait until he he asks for alternatives. 

The debate about which is a better distro for what purpose would go on endlessly - as you might have guessed by now - and be answered differently by most everyone.  Part of the beauty of *n?x is that everyone has different needs and wants and there are so many distrobutions that you can get what you need and want.


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Re: apt-get remove fails [Re: delta9]
    #3797656 - 02/18/05 09:15 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

If I came off as having militant zeal for MEPIS then my post didn't properly convey my thoughts. The original poster seems to be relatively new to Linux so I decided to give him another recommendation. Perhaps he will try MEPIS and like it or perhaps he will not. Maybe he'll use XP Pro and find it does everything he needs.

Like I said I just wanted to offer a recommendation. Now he has two sides to that recommendation (yours and mine) so good for him. I just don't like the idea of anyone putting down a certain distribution which has generally speaking had very high reviews.

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2 entries found for evangelism.
e?van?gel?ism Audio pronunciation of "evangelism" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-vnj-lzm)
n.

1. Zealous preaching and dissemination of the gospel, as through missionary work.
2. Militant zeal for a cause.



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Re: apt-get remove fails [Re: newuser1492]
    #3797907 - 02/18/05 10:40 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

One final point.

MEPIS pool:
Quote:

[DIR] fglrx/
[DIR] meauto/
[DIR] mepis-eyecandy/
[DIR] nvidia-kernel/
[DIR] simplymepis/




:rolleyes:

Ok, I was sufficiently curious that I checked on those packages and asked around in #mepis.  As I suspected, there is NULL benefit for sherm to switch to mepis if his hardware is already all configured and working.  In effect, YOU are running debian (though debian users will not support you because of your unofficial sources and mangling of hardware detection).
Quote:

12:21 -!- Irssi: Join to #mepis was synced in 1 secs
12:21 <+delta9> anyone alive?
12:21 <+Archdevil> Let me see....yes
12:21 <+kanly-monk> nope
12:21 <+delta9> Description: A metapackage containing dependencies for updating SimplyMEPIS components.  This is provided for users who wish to maintain an up-to-date standard installation of SimplyMEPIS 2004.  This package will not work correctly with prerelease versions of SimplyMEPIS.
12:22 <+delta9> what exactly does this contain?
12:22 <+Archdevil> it updates the mepis programs
12:24 <+delta9> which include?
12:24 <+delta9> just the hardware detection stuff?
12:25 <+francofait> si
12:25 <+Archdevil> and os center
12:25 <+delta9> ok, so follow me here
12:25 <+delta9> some mepis user was trying to convince a debian user I was helping to switch to mepis because of all these "special" packages, but this mepis user is obviously misguided and I am pretty sure that they are getting NOTHING extra by using mepis that is significant, especially since MEPIS' current sources.list contains debian/unstable as well as debian/testing sources and then this mepis pool with the 5 or 6 packages shown
12:26 <+Archdevil> exactly. Mepis is Debian + better hw detection and easy config




Straight from the mepis community.  Debian -> Mepis is not a winning transition.


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Re: apt-get remove fails [Re: delta9]
    #3797966 - 02/18/05 10:57 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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What I like better about MEPIS is the preinstalled applications, the k menu set up nicely. The preinstalled and skinned remote desktop connection (for connecting to Terminal Servers). Java/Real Player/Acrobat Reader all preinstalled. Firefox configured with media player plugins. Azureus already installed and configured.




Go ask them if what I stated is true or not.

Quote:

Straight from the mepis community. Debian -> Mepis is not a winning transition.




In your opinion and one person's opinion. Like I said if he wants to use fedora that's fine. But to say that MEPIS doesn't have some benefits is rediculous. I moved from Debian _> MEPIS on my workstation and for me it was a winning transition.

Stop making broad generalizations and simply admit that it comes down to personal preference. I like MEPIS and find it's configuration and enhancements better than Debian. That may not be for everyone but I wanted to offer a suggestion to another linux user.

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Re: apt-get remove fails [Re: delta9]
    #3797996 - 02/18/05 11:04 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Dude, you don't know what you're talking about. Go learn about debian. You'll understand why k-menu is setup so nicely, what "alternatives" are, what debconf is, how to go about preselection outside of tasksel (which causes cancer, sherm, don't use it) of packages and much more... You will eventually come to understand you are running a hodgepodge of debian/testing and debian/unstable that is potentially dangerous and why when it breaks you are on your own.

"Mepis is Debian + better hardware detection and config"


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Re: apt-get remove fails [Re: delta9]
    #3798029 - 02/18/05 11:13 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

www.mepis.org
www.mepislovers.org

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I will not be on my own, I will have fantastic support.

Like I said before, I enjoy the fact that MEPIS comes with many of the programs I would normally use preconfigured. If they break (which they have not for myself and a friend who has been using MEPIS and apt-get for sometime) I will fix them.

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Re: apt-get remove fails [Re: delta9]
    #3798068 - 02/18/05 11:19 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

What you're failing to understand is the preconfiguring has little to do with MEPIS, it's a Debian Thing(TM).  Same with the menu.

I'm glad you're not alone in using DEBIAN badly. :rolleyes:

This is degrading quickly...


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