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I'm Going To Complain about the left
    #3790191 - 02/16/05 06:41 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

DOn't get me wrong i think the right wing is filled with atrocious scumbags. I think Bush and Cheney are basically criminals. I think the moral elitistism and force feeding of christian vaules is deplorable. that said, let me complain about the fringe folks on my side.

Why is it that the left wont allow your to criticize any minority group? If you arent bashing straight people, white people or christians they fucking throw a hissy fit and start labeling you a neocon. I love bashing christians and I bash alot of horrible shit that white poeple do, but i want to criticize minorities too. I want to criticize the gay community, I want to criticize Islam basically I want to be able to criticize whoever the fuck i want without some farleft loon whining and calling me a hate monger. I guess ive had a lil change of heart on about one part of the right. The idea just bugs the fuck out of me that i could goto a ultraliberal message board and bash christians all day....people would join in..however the minute i started in on islam , they would have a hissy fit.. shit im an equal opportunity hater, all religous conservatives piss me off, jewish, muslim, christian etc...

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Re: I'm Going To Complain about the left [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3791058 - 02/16/05 09:05 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I've said this a million times, so I apologize for the redundancy.

The extreme Left loves the underdog. Any group that is viewed as oppressed or in the minority is lauded, celebrated, and supported. Any group that is viewed as being in the majority or as having power or establishment is viewed with derision. It is an ideological disease that distorts a peson's view of the world.


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Re: I'm Going To Complain about the left [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3791081 - 02/16/05 09:10 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I find it interesting that the same people who view the majority with such derision are also the biggest proponents of expanding democracy.


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Re: I'm Going To Complain about the left [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3792041 - 02/17/05 08:16 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

the problem was that your argument was baseless and put forward horribly. it wasn't because you were talking to 'liberals'. read afoaf's response to your post.

not to mention, a hell of a lot of money goes towards cancer research which is often (though i know your case was an exception) for people who are in later stages of life, whereas AIDS affects 20s-30s usually. and no, condoms are not at all 100% effective and gay sex does not spread AIDS that much easier than straight sex.

furthermore, it can be argued that AIDS is the worst global environmental epidemic we have at the moment, whereas cancer is surely not--it is mainly a disease of the rich countries and old people--i.e. not the working force.


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Re: I'm Going To Complain about the left [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3792052 - 02/17/05 08:30 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Why is it that the left wont allow your to criticize any minority group? If you arent bashing straight people, white people or christians they fucking throw a hissy fit and start labeling you a neocon.




ha, it took you this long to notice this?

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i want without some farleft loon whining and calling me a hate monger




oh, the Irony. ha

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i could goto a ultraliberal message board and bash christians all day....people would join in..however the minute i started in on islam , they would have a hissy fit..




ohhhhhhhh the Irony. Seriously, please tell me that this isn't a new revelation to you. This has always been the the way the left operates. a majority of those leftists are hypocrites. (as are many on the right)

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shit im an equal opportunity hater




I tell my friends all the time, i'm not a racist, I hate everyone the same.


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Re: I'm Going To Complain about the left [Re: Tao]
    #3792053 - 02/17/05 08:32 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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and gay sex does not spread AIDS that much easier than straight sex.




Anal sex (gay sex) does put the person at risk more than vaginal intercourse. Where did you find this info?


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Re: I'm Going To Complain about the left [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3792129 - 02/17/05 09:08 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

you're right gay sex does have more risk. i was just saying it does not spread it THAT much easier. you'd have to read KOTT's OTD thread to understand the context (it is because of this OTD thread that KOTT made this PA&L thread).

im basing this on a TIME article/report i read a number of years ago. it was something like a 2-3% chance of spreading it in unprotected straight sex and a 4-5% chance of spreading it in gay sex. again you'd have to read the OTD thread where KOTT blamed the entire AIDS epidemic on gays having bareback sex.


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Re: I'm Going To Complain about the left [Re: Tao]
    #3792141 - 02/17/05 09:13 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Unless my gradeschool math has let me down, that means the odds of spreading it through gay sex are double that of spreading it through straight sex.

I'd say that's a significant difference.



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Re: I'm Going To Complain about the left [Re: Phred]
    #3792192 - 02/17/05 09:32 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

yeesh obviously i know that there is a difference but the point is that you only have a couple percent higher risk in gay sex i.e. gay sex is not completely to blame for the AIDS epidemic, especially when over half of those who have AIDS are not gay. Again, you would have to read the OTD thread to understand the context.


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Re: I'm Going To Complain about the left [Re: Tao]
    #3792265 - 02/17/05 09:53 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I don't need to read an OTD thread to do basic math. The risk from gay sex is double that of straight sex according to the figures you provided. That isn't "a couple of percent" higher risk, that's 100% higher risk.


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Re: I'm Going To Complain about the left [Re: Tao]
    #3792299 - 02/17/05 10:03 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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im basing this on a TIME article/report i read a number of years ago. it was something like a 2-3% chance of spreading it in unprotected straight sex and a 4-5% chance of spreading it in gay sex. again you'd have to read the OTD thread where KOTT blamed the entire AIDS epidemic on gays having bareback sex.




I guess I needed the context, however small 4% may be it's still twice as bad, but then again the only way to have sex when your gay is to take it in the pooper, hetro sex has options.

but like you said, i needed the context.

edit: phred beat me to it.


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Edited by Innvertigo (02/17/05 10:05 AM)


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Re: I'm Going To Complain about the left [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3792414 - 02/17/05 10:34 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

"My God,... the left wing is as robotic as the right wing."
- Robert Anton Wilson


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Re: I'm Going To Complain about the left [Re: Phred]
    #3792522 - 02/17/05 11:13 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Phred said:
Unless my gradeschool math has let me down, that means the odds of spreading it through gay sex are double that of spreading it through straight sex.



Or rather, anal sex carries twice the risk that vaginal sex does. Anal sex is hardly unique to homosexuals.


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Re: I'm Going To Complain about the left [Re: Silversoul]
    #3792531 - 02/17/05 11:19 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

That's what I meant about hetros having options. It's not the gay part that gives you aids.


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Re: I'm Going To Complain about the left [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3792579 - 02/17/05 11:30 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Gays actually have options too. Many gays will just stick to oral.


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Re: I'm Going To Complain about the left [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3792582 - 02/17/05 11:31 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

The people to "blame" for HIV is the native Africans who eat monkies.


"Eat a monkey, go to jail." I say.


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Re: I'm Going To Complain about the left [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #3792619 - 02/17/05 11:39 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: I'm Going To Complain about the left [Re: Silversoul]
    #3792631 - 02/17/05 11:42 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Gays actually have options too. Many gays will just stick to oral.




hetros still have more options, a safer one.


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Re: I'm Going To Complain about the left [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3792650 - 02/17/05 11:45 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Well, technically bisexuals have the most options.


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Re: I'm Going To Complain about the left [Re: Silversoul]
    #3792710 - 02/17/05 12:01 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Monogamy and abstinence are options too. But then some people like to abstain from monogamy...


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