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LATIMES ..neo-nazi advertizing in st louis...
    #3789020 - 02/16/05 01:40 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

what makes this interesting is that at least these clowns think that more ppl are sympathetic to their cause.. enough that paying for public advertizing might actually benefit their cause...

such advertizing is..of course..protected under the 1st amendment..and in fact im glad they are putting up the ads so that they might unintentionally become a warning sign for the rest of us...

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Neo-Nazis Aim to Upgrade PR
The National Alliance seeks a higher profile and more members with multimedia campaign.
By Stephanie Simon
Times Staff Writer

10:03 PM PST, February 11, 2005

ST. LOUIS ? White supremacist groups around the country are moving aggressively to recruit new members by promoting their violent, racist ideologies on billboards, in radio commercials and in leaflets tossed on suburban driveways.

Watching with mounting alarm, civil rights monitors say these tactics stake out a much bolder, more public role for many hate groups, which are trying to shed their image as shadowy extremists and claim more mainstream support.

Watchdog groups fear increased violence from these organizations as they grow. But perhaps an even greater fear is that the new public relations strategy will let neo-Nazis recast themselves as just another voice on the political spectrum ? even when that voice may be advocating genocide.

"The concern is that this will bring them new members and money, and that they will get some real traction in mainstream politics," said Mark Potok, who tracks hate groups for the Southern Poverty Law Center. "We are completely in favor of the 1st Amendment. [But] they poison the public discourse with ideas like Jews are behind it all and need killing."

The National Alliance, which calls for ridding the land of minorities, has led the drive to raise the profile of white supremacists.

The local chapter spent $1,500 on MetroLink ads here in St. Louis last month, plastering nearly every commuter train car in the city with a blue-and-white placard declaring "The Future belongs to us!" and listing the group's website and phone number. The same chapter bought airtime on local talk radio last fall, urging whites to unite and fight for the survival of "white America."

"We want to use mainstream advertising to say to the public: We're not a shadowy group. This is what we believe in, and we're proud of it," said chapter leader Aaron Collins. "We're trying to give people courage. We want to show them, if you stand up for what you believe in, you're not going to be crucified."

With that goal in mind, other chapters of the National Alliance have posted billboards in Utah, Nevada and Florida. The group has also coordinated massive leaflet drops, distributing 100,000 racist fliers in a single night in states as regionally diverse as New Jersey, Alabama and Nebraska.

The National Alliance even bought a membership list and mailing labels from the Florida Bar Assn. last year so it could send an eight-page recruitment letter, complete with anti-Semitic cartoons, to 2,500 criminal defense lawyers.

"If we had the money to advertise during the Super Bowl, we'd try that too," said Shaun Walker, the organization's chief operating officer.

Civil rights monitors consider the National Alliance one of the most virulent neo-Nazi organizations in the country. It was founded in the 1970s by the late William Pierce, who called for herding Jews and "race mixers" into cattle cars and abandoning them in old coal mines.

Although the group's website says it "does not advocate any illegal activity," National Alliance members have been convicted of scattered acts of violence over the last two decades, including armed robberies, bombings and murders. The FBI's senior counterterrorism expert told Congress in 2002 that the National Alliance represented a "terrorist threat."

"They clearly have a track record of encouraging members to take their vision of race war to the streets," said Devin Burghart, who monitors hate groups for the Center for New Community in Chicago.

Though Potok estimates that the National Alliance has fewer than 700 members, it's one of the best-financed supremacist groups because it owns a music label, Resistance Records, which dominated the white-power music scene from the mid-'90s until recently.

The white supremacist movement encompasses scores of other small, often feuding, organizations as well, with total membership estimated at 100,000. They, too, are reaching out.

Last fall, residents of Columbia, Mo., awoke to find the Aryan Alternative ? a new tabloid promising "uncensored news for whites" ? next to the Sunday paper on their driveways. In Louisville, Ky., last December, a branch of the Ku Klux Klan sneaked fliers inside copies of the Courier-Journal rolled up for home delivery.

And in a bold bid to recruit kids as young as 13 to the movement, the Panzerfaust record label last fall gave away thousands of CDs packed with hard-driving white-power music, distributing them in schools and malls in numerous states, including California. Sample lyrics: "Do you feel the pride as the skinheads march by? Do you see as I do that our enemies must die?"

The Panzerfaust company dissolved this month when one of the label's founders accused his business partner of being half-Mexican ? an ethnic heritage considered treasonous in the white-power world. Already, however, other groups have stepped up teen recruitment, selling swastika pendants online and promoting a "pro-white radio station" that streams supremacist ballads, heavy metal and rock songs online.

Public outreach is not new for white-supremacist groups. The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan have been picking up litter for Missouri's Adopt-a-Highway program for years.

But hate-group monitors say the latest recruitment campaigns are much broader than any they've seen before.

Neo-Nazi organizations are not only putting up billboards, they're also instructing members to hide their tattoos and dress for rallies in conservative suits to avoid being dismissed as extremists. Thomas Robb, the national director of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, urges his members to serve on community boards and in political parties so they can push their white-power agenda from positions of social respect.

"I encourage them to do that, absolutely," Robb said. "Though it has to be done gently."

The National Alliance, meanwhile, is increasingly tailoring its leaflets to current events. Local members seize on any racial tensions in their community as an excuse to blanket the area with articles explaining the white-power worldview.

As Walker put it: "The current powers-that-be constantly demonize us. But if we can get our message out to enough people, we'll gain legitimacy with the public."

Civil-rights advocates call this new emphasis on legitimacy insidious, because it may lure people into neo-Nazi circles before they fully understand what they're being sold.

Some of the National Alliance's ads and websites make it look "like the focus is on mainstream conservative issues," said Karen Aroesty, the Midwest director of the Anti-Defamation League. The Las Vegas billboard, for instance, urged: "Stop Immigration." The one in Salt Lake City declared: "Securing the Future for European Americans."

Although no one offers hard numbers, white supremacists contend ? and their sharpest critics agree ? that the recruitment strategy is working.

Many of the promotions are short-lived; the MetroLink ads were up a week before transit officials removed them in response to a complaint. Such controversy, however, generates media coverage that can be even more valuable than the ads themselves.

Media reports about the Salt Lake City billboard drove 4,500 visitors to the National Alliance's local website in a single week ? compared with average traffic of 100 hits a month, Walker said.

When the flap about the MetroLink ads made news here, the National Alliance got so many calls that the phone company insisted the group upgrade its voice mail system, Collins said. He wouldn't give precise numbers, but said 80% of the callers listened to the two-minute white-power message on the group's answering machine, then hung up. He recalled just two angry callers ? and many who asked for more information. "I had to appoint three people just to call people back," he said.

"What evidence we've seen indicates that real-world advertisement and promotion has far more impact on recruitment than online work does," Burghart said.

"They reach a different demographic," he added. Many middle-age recruits, he said, feel more comfortable joining a group they've seen on TV or heard advertised on the radio, rather than one that makes its presence known mostly through racist rants in Internet chat rooms.

Hate groups recognize the power of that outreach. So they intend to keep at it.

"You know the old saying: It pays to advertise," Walker said. "Only we're not selling a product; we're announcing an idea."

The thought chills Marilyn Mayo, an associate director of the Anti-Defamation League.

"Only a very small percentage of the population supports them," she said. "But they always will attract a certain number ? and how many is too much?"

Copyright 2005 Los Angeles Times




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Re: LATIMES ..neo-nazi advertizing in st louis... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #3789483 - 02/16/05 03:51 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

this is the first post I have ever seen from you that didn't include the word "neo-con".  Good job. :thumbup:


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Re: LATIMES ..neo-nazi advertizing in st louis... [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3789855 - 02/16/05 05:31 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

bwahahahahahaahaaaa


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Re: LATIMES ..neo-nazi advertizing in st louis... [Re: afoaf]
    #3790133 - 02/16/05 06:28 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

What the fuck. My school is right by the metro link. Find some more info on this shit. This shit make me want to kills these fuckers. Son's of bitches, how dare they step foot in my hood.


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Re: LATIMES ..neo-nazi advertizing in st louis... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #3791097 - 02/17/05 01:55 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I wish they'd show these "violent" messages. The National Alliance website has a number of their tracts and they don't preach or condone violence.


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Re: LATIMES ..neo-nazi advertizing in st louis... [Re: SoopaX]
    #3791565 - 02/17/05 04:05 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

No one pays attention to the stupid neo-nazis. They had a "huge" march in valley forge in september, and the people prostesting their sorry asses far outweighed the number of bigoted assholes.


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Re: LATIMES ..neo-nazi advertizing in st louis... [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
    #3793425 - 02/17/05 03:05 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

neo-nazi - armband = republican...


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Re: LATIMES ..neo-nazi advertizing in st louis... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #3793566 - 02/17/05 03:46 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

White hood and burning crosses = southern Democrat in the Senate.


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Re: LATIMES ..neo-nazi advertizing in st louis... [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #3793575 - 02/17/05 03:49 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I find it funny that people equate those from the right as racists while just about all the racists that I see in my area just happen to be liberals.


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Re: LATIMES ..neo-nazi advertizing in st louis... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #3794183 - 02/17/05 06:12 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

People have the right to be ignorant haters.


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