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    #3787313 - 02/16/05 02:19 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

would eating cannabis while pregnant hurt the unborn baby in any way?


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Re: weed question [Re: thegatewaydrug]
    #3787344 - 02/16/05 02:26 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It's the same as smoking cannabis while pregnant. In that, the jury is mostly still out. Third trimester is probably a no-no. First or second you can probably get away with it - just not habitually.

There just isn't much research because 1) there isn't a lot of research on cannabis especially in respect to 2) there isn't a lot of research on women and 3) there isn't a lot of research on pregnant women.

Taking any drug, including caffeine, is generally not a good idea while pregnant.

As far as smoking during pregnancy, no reason to feel guilty:
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From erowid's cannabis faq
18) Don't children born to pot-smoking mothers suffer from ``Fetal Marijuana Syndrome?'' If a fetal cannabis syndrome exists, cases are so rare that it cannot be demonstrated. Many mothers use marijuana during pregnancy -- it controls the nausea called `morning sickness' and many say it actually increases the appetite and reduces stress. This is especially important in less developed countries, where modern medical care is not as easily available, but even so, the benefits of responsible marijuana use may outweigh the risks even under modern medicine.

Studies conducted in Jamiaca have shown that mothers who smoke marijuana have healthier children, but this may be due to the extra income generated by marijuana dealing and other factors. It has been a common ploy in the War on Drugs to claim that marijuana, and especially cocaine, causes birth defects or behavior problems like alcohol does. This scares caring mothers into thinking drugs are `evil.' The claims are not based on valid scientific research -- many of them do not even consider the life-style or living conditions of the mothers before pointing at drugs with the blame.

Obviously, pregnant mothers should not smoke as much pot as they possibly can. If marijuana is abused, it may hurt the health of both mother and child. Delta-9-THC does cross the placenta and enter the fetus. Oddly, though, the marijuana metabolite, 11-nor-9-carboxy-delta-9-THC does not, and the fetus does not break delta-9-THC down into 11-nor like the mother's body does, so unborn children are not exposed to 11-nor. The third trimester is the time when the child is most vulnerable. Parents should bear these facts in mind when they make decisions about using cannabis.




As far as smoking while breast feeding (amazing, I got a porn hit in the top 5 results researching this for you, the fetishes some people have) little is actually known about it because, again 1) marijauna research is mostly illegal and 2) research on women is also mostly illegal... So there's really not much information to go on. Sifting through all the propaganda, the most objective information I found (which said exactly the same thing the others did, but concisely and without all the scare-trappings) was here quoted below:
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# Marijuana (or cannabis) passes in moderate amounts into the milk, although there is usually not enough for the infant to show behavioural changes at the time.
# However marijuana does affect the baby?s brain and is stored in the baby's fat for some weeks.
# Because of the possibility of long-term effects on the developing brain it is strongly recommended that breastfeeding mothers do not smoke marijuana.
# Marijuana may also decrease the mother's milk supply




I would say, you can likely get away with smoking once a month at the most and probably not damage your child at all (might even help 'em, in my opinion, but I'm a crazy marijuana advocate) as they say it takes two to three weeks for what little THC does get to the baby to leave. So, as long as you let it actually pass out of their system and then give them a break on it, I really don't believe it would harm them that much; like they say, jamaican mothers are smoking almost every day. Of course, abstinence is the safest course, with ANY substance while breastfeeding, simply because there isn't enough research to say for sure one way or the other (show me one study that says one thing, I can show you another study biased the other way).


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Re: weed question [Re: delta9]
    #3787366 - 02/16/05 02:29 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

thanks for all the info delta9


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Re: weed question [Re: thegatewaydrug]
    #3787370 - 02/16/05 02:29 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You're welcome. :smile:


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Re: weed question [Re: delta9]
    #3788393 - 02/16/05 09:46 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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You're welcome. :smile:




Did I just hear you condone the use of marijuana while pregnant?

I have a tip for you.  NO ONE in the world who has the power to change drug laws will EVER take you seriously while you maintain such a position.

Why anyone would want to get 'high' while they are pregnant is beyond me.  The only people I know who don't want to take EVERY precaution while pregnant are losers with severe mental or drug problems.

How can it be beneficial to introduce a host of foreign chemicals into a system that has existed long before man ever even CONSIDERED using marijuana?  There may be no solid evidence that marijuana will seriously hurt the fetus, NEITHER IS THERE EVIDENCE THAT IT DOES NOT HURT THE FETUS. 

You example of Jamaica is an interesting one.  Have you ever been there?  I have, and if you had seen the conditions those people live under, you would not be advocating ANY activity they engage in as benign or beneficial.  Jamaicans are no example to use.  Perhaps the smoking mother wants their child to grow up in filth, ignorance, violence and disease.  In that case, sure, follow the example of Jamaica.

Unbelievable.  You definitely made me re-think my position on drugs and drug users.

If it's an academic question, then fine.  But if you give ANY advice to a pregnant woman that doesn't start and stop with appropriate exercise, good diet, and avoidance of ALL UNNECCESSARY chemicals, then you sir are irresponsible and ignorant.

:rolleyes:

BTW where did you get your medical degree and where did you do your internship in Obstetrics?  Because unless you have delivered thousands of babies and have seen thousands of mothers through pregnancy and delivery, then you should IN GOOD CONSCIENCE keep your trap shut. 

I doubt you're a medical doctor with any experience.  As long as we get that established I'm done with you.


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Re: weed question [Re: UpSwell]
    #3788758 - 02/16/05 12:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Doing any kind of drug while pregnant is a very, very bad idea.

Do not do it, don't do any kind of drug.


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Re: weed question [Re: UpSwell]
    #3789187 - 02/16/05 02:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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UpSwell said:
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delta9 said:
You're welcome. :smile:




Did I just hear you condone the use of marijuana while pregnant?



Did you just read a couple lines of my post and not the entire thing?  Don't be an ass and jump to conclusions.

Delta9 said:
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Taking any drug, including caffeine, is generally not a good idea while pregnant.



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Of course, abstinence is the safest course, with ANY substance while breastfeeding [and pregnant]




Jisse.  Way to jump to conclusions on the up swell!


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Re: weed question [Re: delta9]
    #3789593 - 02/16/05 04:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

hehe, you're like a search engine.


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Re: weed question [Re: ChingChong]
    #3789643 - 02/16/05 04:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Heh, thanks, I guess...  :smile:

More for UpSwell: It is not my place to decide for the questioner what is right and what is wrong.  If they decide they are going to need to smoke, no matter the reasons, during or after pregnancy, that is their choice and it is just up to me to give the best information I can regarding it.  We're not here to judge, we're here to help.

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BTW where did you get your medical degree and where did you do your internship in Obstetrics? Because unless you have delivered thousands of babies and have seen thousands of mothers through pregnancy and delivery, then you should IN GOOD CONSCIENCE keep your trap shut.



That is irrelevent to the conversation because I have not presented myself as any kind of expert - where are your degrees?  The truth is, many a midwife will tell a woman they can smoke pot if they like to help with morning sickness in the first six months, just not habitually, and many a midwife has delivered many many many many babies in their time.


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Re: weed question [Re: delta9]
    #3789946 - 02/16/05 05:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i say let the child make up their own mind, on their own terms, if they want to put cannabis into their system... personally i don't think it's a good idea to ingest cannabis while pregnant.


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Re: weed question [Re: lackobreath]
    #3790020 - 02/16/05 06:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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i say let the child make up their own mind, on their own terms, if they want to put cannabis into their system... personally i don't think it's a good idea to ingest cannabis while pregnant.



What about caffeine, pain killers, and anti-nauseants other than cannabis? Should this not also be up to the child? Should the mother be forced to take absolutely nothing during pregnancy except certain foods and water?


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Re: weed question [Re: delta9]
    #3793504 - 02/17/05 03:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I'm not a doctor. that's the way I feel. cannabis is a strong drug, as well as opiate pain killers, and alcohol. caffeine is also a heavily addictive drug, as well as nicotine. but then again i wouldn't even feed my kid mcdonalds in the high chair...personally, i wouldn't get pregnant in the first place if i didn't intend to give my child the best chance at a healthy life. if you think about it, 25 years ago fetal alcohol syndrome didn't even exist, so no one even knows what many of these other drugs do to fetuses. it's not about forcing mothers to do anything..it's just something to think about for the person who was asking the question.


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Re: weed question [Re: lackobreath]
    #3793525 - 02/17/05 03:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The plain truth of it is we don't have a lot of research on it - and so the best thing to do is take nothing... But people are going to drink coffee and soda, smoke cigarettes, and drink alcohol on occasion, just as people will ingest marijuana during pregnancy for one reason or another; your opinion isn't going to stop it.

I just find it somewhat hypocritical that the focus is only on marijuana despite limited research that occasional use in early stages is probably alright... Perhaps I am reading too much into it and no one is talking about these other substances simply because the topic is regarding marijuana; but to me if you're going to tell someone they can't and should not ingest marijuana during pregnancy, it behooves you to tell them they can't and should not ingest anything else, either.


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Re: weed question [Re: delta9]
    #3803469 - 02/19/05 04:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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delta9 said:
The plain truth of it is we don't have a lot of research on it - and so the best thing to do is take nothing... But people are going to drink coffee and soda, smoke cigarettes, and drink alcohol on occasion, just as people will ingest marijuana during pregnancy for one reason or another; your opinion isn't going to stop it.

I just find it somewhat hypocritical that the focus is only on marijuana despite limited research that occasional use in early stages is probably alright... Perhaps I am reading too much into it and no one is talking about these other substances simply because the topic is regarding marijuana; but to me if you're going to tell someone they can't and should not ingest marijuana during pregnancy, it behooves you to tell them they can't and should not ingest anything else, either.




I totally jumped to conclusions and I apologize to you Delta9.

I find the subject a 'hot-button' one. I have children. I 'assumed' there wasn't really a good reason for a pregnant woman to ingest marijuana, but that may not be the case. Perhaps she's not into recreational use and would be using it for some type of medical condition.

I know there are conditions where marijuana is probably the best treatment we have available. Perhaps the woman was HIV positive and didn't find out until she was pregnant. In such a case, maybe ingesting marijuana would be the best thing to keep her appetite healthy and her attitude healthy, which are more important to a growing fetus than some possible side-effects of limited marijuana use which there is no evidence of anyway (as you stated.)

Still I think it's a sensitive issue, and like I said, and I guess as my over-reaction shows, extreme caution needs to be exercised when dealing with the issue of pregnancy. It's a very core-belief, animalistic issue. I'll protect my pregnant wife and kill anyone that gets in my way, it's just that simple. I know I'm not alone in feeling that way. That's just an illustration of how (rightfully) protective we are about pregnant females. I feel this is one of the redeeming qualities of the human species.

Take it easy Delta9, and I hope you used my over-reactions as a way to further refine your positions and advocacy.


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Re: weed question [Re: UpSwell]
    #3803849 - 02/19/05 06:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Heh, thanks.  And I did indeed!  It came up elsewhere like a day or two later and I made sure to more clearly state that we just don't know and you should only use if you have to :smile:


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    #3803975 - 02/19/05 06:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I DON'T condone the habitual use of marijuana while pregnant, but I have a friend whom in my opinion smoked too much while pregnant. Her baby was larger than average at birth and at 1yr old is perfectly healthy and has had no illness and healthy checkups. I think lots of the negative effects are caused by mothers smoking cigarettes and mj or other things. Anyway I am most certain the weed didn't hurt the baby at all, and certainly not any more than the prozac she quit taking would have. I'm no expert but I thought I would share this exapmple.


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    #22923507 - 02/19/16 04:37 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

My wife ripped the bong 2 or 3 times a day throughout both pregnancies and our kids are smart funny good looking and healthy. I feel like they are smarter than most kids.


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    #22925029 - 02/20/16 01:18 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

I think this makes the baby gay.


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