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Tennessee Stud Compost: Feedback Please
    #3784667 - 02/15/05 07:17 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I was wondering if any users have experience using Tennessee Stud pre-pasteurized compost. Specifically I'm interested in contamination rates, colonization times, species grown, overall yields, etc. Their prices certainly do seem attractive. (NB: I'm primarily interested in trying out their substrate with gourmet/medicinal coprophiles like shaggy manes, etc.)


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Re: Tennessee Stud Compost: Feedback Please [Re: Basidiocarp]
    #3784878 - 02/15/05 07:54 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

This vendor was introduced to the Shroomery 3 days ago. I highly doubt anyone has recieved the dung and had time to test spawn in that short of time. Give it awhile, I'm sure you'll get some feedback.


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Re: Tennessee Stud Compost: Feedback Please [Re: Holydiver]
    #3784958 - 02/15/05 08:10 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Ahhhhh, did not know they were so new to the Boards. Thanks for the update.


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Re: Tennessee Stud Compost: Feedback Please [Re: Basidiocarp]
    #3785652 - 02/15/05 10:23 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

if i were you i would get the dehydrated shit becouse that shit you can pasturize your self and then you can be sure that its contam free in 2003


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Re: Tennessee Stud Compost: Feedback Please [Re: onetime]
    #3789569 - 02/16/05 04:13 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

If I had more time and more space I would pastuerize myself.  I've been looking for ways to save time and energy, and pre-pasteurized substrate would certainly help in that department.  I'm also not thrilled about pasteurizing dung in my house, even if it is "field composted and odorless."  Somehow I stilll think a rather odd (or unpleasant)steamy funk would fill my small abode.

Also, for whatever reason, I haven't had very good luck pasteurizing straw-- I often (say 50% of the time) end up with a bacterial bloom that inhibits full colonization.  (The exception is when spawning oyster mycelium-- that always grows well.) I follow Stamet's recommendations as far as time and temperature, but something freqently goes wrong somewhere.  Perhaps my kitchen is too contaminated an area.  But alas, I'm getting off topic. C ya!  :blush:


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Re: Tennessee Stud Compost: Feedback Please [Re: Basidiocarp]
    #3791245 - 02/17/05 02:33 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Yes, I am new to The Shroomery. However, my product is time tested and true. It has an amazingly high inoculation rate compared to other substrates. You will be completely satisfied with your results if you follow the teks contained in this website. :cool:
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Re: Tennessee Stud Compost: Feedback Please [Re: lunaloca]
    #3792986 - 02/17/05 01:04 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Time tested and true bullshit, whoops I mean horse shit. Time tested, then you must have some pics to back up your claim. Or are there only the ones you borrowed from another site?


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Re: Tennessee Stud Compost: Feedback Please [Re: night train]
    #3793389 - 02/17/05 02:56 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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    Time tested and true bullshit, whoops I mean horse shit.  Time tested, then you must have some pics to back up your claim.  Or are there only the ones you borrowed from another site?




Composted horse manure isn't time tested? PLEASE!! :tongue2:
As far as the pics are concerned, there are certain legal issues involved with that one. I'm sorry I was a little negative with you this morning. I've been going 24/7 lately and was a little short tempered. I didn't mean to start a feud. Good luck with your endeavors. :cool:


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Re: Tennessee Stud Compost: Feedback Please [Re: lunaloca]
    #3794115 - 02/17/05 06:00 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I ordered some poo.  I'll let you know how it ALL COMES OUT :shocked: :tongue: :grin:


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Re: Tennessee Stud Compost: Feedback Please [Re: lunaloca]
    #3794307 - 02/17/05 06:36 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Composted horse manure isn't time tested? PLEASE!! :tongue2:




Indeed composted horse poo is time-tested as a useful substrate.  But we as consumers have no idea how your particular collection, processing, and/or pasteurization processes will affect an experiment's final outcome.  We're just being cautious consumers.

Also I have a bit of a suggestion with regard to your website.  (I'm not telling you how to run things, this is just a thought.) I notice on your webpage that you have several pictures of indoor-cultivated Psilocybe species, and also make direct reference to the pfTek and cakes.  In the age of prohibition in which we live here in the USA, I would think twice about directly or indirectly suggesting illegal cultivation with your product--  even if you had a disclaimer not to do so.  If I were selling poo, I would offer it simply as high-quality mushroom substrate/compost, with no specific species or TEK's referenced--  any good mycologist or grower is going to know what species grow well on poo and which don't. That way Big Brother has no excuse to bother you, or to subpoena your list of credit card transactions (bad news for any of us that might have ordered fom you, for legal or illegal means).

Again these are just suggestions, please don't take offense.  I wish your business the best of luck, and hope that I can try your substrate out soon.


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Re: Tennessee Stud Compost: Feedback Please [Re: Basidiocarp]
    #3794485 - 02/17/05 07:06 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Basidiocarp I agree to an extent, but I don't see it as being an issue. The thief known as the Keeper has been running for years with obvious cultivation instructions all over his web page, no one has given him any trouble (yet).


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Re: Tennessee Stud Compost: Feedback Please [Re: Holydiver]
    #3794580 - 02/17/05 07:23 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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no one has given him any trouble (yet). 




Yet.  Exactly my point.  Given the rampant bloodlust the current administration (DEA, Justice, etc.) has regarding the ridiculous War on Drugs, I simply don't see the need to take unnecessary risks.  Good poo is good poo, no need to write Psilocybe all over it.

Paul Stamets (who's built a ridiculously successful cultivation empire) saw the writing on the wall and won't even address questions about psilocybes on his website anymore.

Let's not forget that we're not as free as we think we are, folks.  The Man *is* watching.  *waves at The Man*  :bye:


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Re: Tennessee Stud Compost: Feedback Please [Re: lunaloca]
    #3794857 - 02/17/05 09:12 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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    Time tested and true bullshit, whoops I mean horse shit.  Time tested, then you must have some pics to back up your claim.  Or are there only the ones you borrowed from another site?




Composted horse manure isn't time tested? PLEASE!! :tongue2:
As far as the pics are concerned, there are certain legal issues involved with that one. I'm sorry I was a little negative with you this morning. I've been going 24/7 lately and was a little short tempered. I didn't mean to start a feud. Good luck with your endeavors. :cool:




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I?m not raining on your parade in any way & wish your business well.

However - I believe your use of the term "composted" is misleading.

A more accurate description would be, 

"weathered", "aged", "leached", "dried" .......horse manure.

Rather than "composted".

Because (from your own description) your product is not actually "composted".

The preparation of mushroom compost is usually done in two stages. The breakdown of raw ingredients begins in Phase I. Phase I is characterized by building the raw ingredients into long rectangular piles approximately 2 m high called "ricks" or "windrows". These stacks are then periodically turned, watered, and formed. This phase is essentially a microbiological process resulting in release of energy and heat.

To favor the development of relatively high temperatures, aerobic conditions are maintained by aerating the compost during repeated mixing or turning. Temperature fluctuations during this phase are paralleled by similar changes in the numbers of thermophilic (heat loving) bacteria. These organisms start to grow rapidly and release energy in the form of heat. Thermogenesis by microorganisms initiates the heating of Phase I and also produces heat in Phase II.

The internal temperature of a compost pile can reach up to 80oC. Traditional Phase I composting lasts from 7 to 14 days depending on the condition of the material at the start and its characteristics at each turn. It is considered complete when the raw ingredients have become pliable and are capable of holding water. The odor of ammonia should be sharp, and the color of the compost is dark-brown in color, indicating caramelization and browning reactions have occurred.

It is primarily the control of the environment that distinguishes Phase II from Phase I. Typically, compost is loaded into wooden trays, which are stacked, and then placed in specially designed rooms where the environmental conditions can be manipulated. Phase II is commonly referred to as peak-heating and may be initiated by steam. Pasteurization is accomplished early in the Phase II operation and is necessary to kill many insects, nematodes, and other pests or pathogens that may be present in the compost.

Pasteurization requires air and compost temperatures of 66oC for a minimum of 2 hours. Once pasteurization is accomplished, cool air is introduced into the Phase II room to assure adequate oxygen, and to help dissipate ammonia. An important function of Phase II microbes that survive the pasteurization process is the conversion of residual ammonia into protein. Because ammonia is lethal to the mushroom mycelium, it must be removed by the end of Phase II.

A stage is reached when the available food supplies for organisms inhabiting the compost become quite limiting, hence their activity decreases. The substrate is now set for spawning, and the substrate is said to be 'selective' for the growth of  mushrooms. Once the odor of ammonia is no longer present, Phase II is over and the compost temperature can be dropped to 24oC for the addition of any type grain spawn. Completed compost should have a C/N ratio of around 17 to 1, with N in the area of 2.6.

Initially raw compost will have an alkaline pH. When mature and ready for inoculation the pH should be between 7.0 and 8.0. As the mushroom and mycelium grows there will be a drop of pH from the excreted metabolites until the pH reaches 5.0-5.5 at which time mushroom production will generally cease.

Optimal cubensis compost has this aproximate finished makeup: carbon / nitrogen ratio <17:1, nitrogen 2.6%, phosphorus 0.2-05%, potassium 1.5-2.5%, calcium 1.5-2.5%, available boron <2 ppm, available ammonium <10 ppm, soluble salts 3.0-5 OdS/m.

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Picture of what tons of finished fine shredded dried Cube compost actualy looks like:




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Re: Tennessee Stud Compost: Feedback Please [Re: Holydiver]
    #3795340 - 02/17/05 10:39 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Basidiocarp I agree to an extent, but I don't see it as being an issue. The thief known as the Keeper has been running for years with obvious cultivation instructions all over his web page, no one has given him any trouble (yet).




his site is in canada and that isnt illegal there like it is in the usa DUH !!!


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Re: Tennessee Stud Compost: Feedback Please [Re: onetime]
    #3795382 - 02/17/05 10:48 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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his site is in canada and that isnt illegal there like it is in the usa DUH !!!




Are you going to stick your tongue out at Diver now? Come on, grow up, let's keep the conversation civil.

Whether or not one's business is in a location where cultivation is legal, one should be mindful of the fact that many of one's customers may be ordering from locations where more prohibitive laws are in effect. Thus these customers may not be comfortable ordering from a site with (locally) illegal things plastered all over it. This translates into lost business.


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Re: Tennessee Stud Compost: Feedback Please [Re: Basidiocarp]
    #3795392 - 02/17/05 10:52 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Whether or not one's business is in a location where cultivation is legal, one should be mindful of the fact that many of one's customers may be ordering from locations where more prohibitive laws are in effect. Thus these customers may not be comfortable ordering from a site with (locally) illegal things plastered all over it. This translates into lost business.





My friend decided not to order anything just because of that fact alone.


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Re: Tennessee Stud Compost: Feedback Please [Re: Taskenti]
    #3795507 - 02/17/05 11:00 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

oh sorry i was just jokeing about that but americans who order from the keeper saddends me every time i wish i could warn every one about that guy but there is just too meny poeple at that go to his site and what about some of the vendors here that are good vendors that live in it uk and sell grow kits and things thats no reson not to order the usa legal items that they sell


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Re: Tennessee Stud Compost: Feedback Please [Re: onetime]
    #3795596 - 02/17/05 11:04 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

What vendors here sell cube grow kits?


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Re: Tennessee Stud Compost: Feedback Please [Re: Taskenti]
    #3795617 - 02/17/05 11:07 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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What vendors here sell cube grow kits?




Let's try not to highjack this thread, would be cool to keep it about Tennessee Compost. Perhaps a new thread with your question would be appropriate.


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Re: Tennessee Stud Compost: Feedback Please [Re: Basidiocarp]
    #3795629 - 02/17/05 11:09 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

ummmmm... I was responding to onetime who stated something about sponsors here selling grow kits...I was NOT hijacking a thread....shit d00d READ.


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