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Holland Hunting.
    #3777543 - 02/14/05 08:30 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

So, Hanky made me think about doing some hunting because my fundings do not allow me to shroom the way I would like to. I love shrooms (all kinds) I think they look great.

I would like to know 2 things, and hope somebody can give me some information.

- What would be a good time for hunting in Holland?
- Which psychoactive types do we have in Holland?

I plan on buying an identify book before trying an actual search. (Any suggestions, I prefer dutch books since I'm dutch).
And I need the psychoactive types for Holland so the wide arrangement of species does not overwhelm me.  :grin:


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Re: Holland Hunting. [Re: Fliquid]
    #3777754 - 02/14/05 10:25 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

you could try looking here
http://www.homepages.hetnet.nl/~idakees/

It was written by a Dutch guy and has an Id program,
It is mainly about coprinus though.


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Re: Holland Hunting. [Re: Fliquid]
    #3778185 - 02/14/05 12:28 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Hi there fellow Dutchman :wink: There are some more dutch people on this board, i suppose you'll meet them sooner or later...

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- What would be a good time for hunting in Holland?



Autumn to early winter. You can find liberty caps when the temperatures start to drop in late september/october. Liberty caps are the main psyochoactive species around here. You can also search for ps. caynescens, but this species occurs much less frequently. I'd stick with lib-hunting if I were you.

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- Which psychoactive types do we have in Holland?



Well, mainly libs, but also ps. cyanescens and gymnopilus sp. I'd put my money on libs if I were you.

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I plan on buying an identify book before trying an actual search. (Any suggestions, I prefer dutch books since I'm dutch).



Gerrit J. Keijzer has published a nice little book somewhere in the nineties, called 'Paddenstoelenencyclopedie' ('Mushroom Encyclopedia'). It isn't very accurate on psychoactive species though, so if you're looking for good literature on those species, you'll most likely end up with English or German books anyway. Do a search on this forum, I'm sure that will point you in the right direction.


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Re: Holland Hunting. [Re: Fliquid]
    #3778389 - 02/14/05 01:25 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

If you live in Holland thatn there are two books for you. One by Arno Adelaars, "Alles over paddos."

And Luc Sala's, Paddos Our Little brothers.

The more comon of the Dutch shrooms are Psilocybe semilanceata (the liberty cap), Psilocybe liniformans, and Psilocybe cyanescens (the Wavy Cap). ALl common in the fall months before the first winter freeze.

mj

They can be found in most smart shop book store sections. Try the Kokopeli Smart Shop inthe district.

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Re: Holland Hunting. [Re: mjshroomer]
    #3782078 - 02/15/05 04:48 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Thank you all for the information, I will keep it for reference when it is time.


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Re: Holland Hunting. [Re: mjshroomer]
    #3782225 - 02/15/05 06:23 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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If you live in Holland thatn there are two books for you. One by Arno Adelaars, "Alles over paddos."

And Luc Sala's, Paddos Our Little brothers.



The book by Adelaars can indeed be very useful. I'm not sure about the book by Sala, though. Firstly, it's a book that provides some general information about shrooms and for this information, much better literature exists. Secondly, the Sala book doesn't feature a distinct section on hunting and identifying mushrooms, which is what the topicstarter asked for. Moreover, I wouldn't expect too much from a book written by Sala, judging from his other publications, which usually are of abominable quality.


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Re: Holland Hunting. [Re: koraks]
    #3782231 - 02/15/05 06:31 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I never read books, most of the times I just get the digital version and read it on my PDA. But I'm sure those book will not be available in digital form.  :smirk:


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Re: Holland Hunting. [Re: Fliquid]
    #3782241 - 02/15/05 06:50 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Go for Psilocybe semilanceata (kaalkopje? :crazy:) next season. It's the most abundant psychoactive species in the region besides it's easy to identify. Start looking for them in late August and don't give up until You find one. Check this out - http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Forum3&Number=2007728&Forum=

As to books, even if it's not in dutch (I know there is a Czech translation, maybe there is dutch as well?) I'd buy Stamets' "Psilocybin Mushrooms of the World" if I were You.



P.S. "my fundings do not allow me to shroom the way I would like to"

In Your situation cultivation seems to be a better solution though :grin:


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Re: Holland Hunting. [Re: ivi]
    #3782279 - 02/15/05 07:22 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I have seen the Arno Adelaars book in the libary, if yours don't have it you might request it.

i have found a book about all local mushrooms in my area (Flevoland) maybe the myco groups have made them of other area's too

http://www.mlf.science.ru.nl/nmv/main_n.htm

http://www.webfungi.nl/


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Re: Holland Hunting. [Re: koraks]
    #3783648 - 02/15/05 03:35 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

HI KOraks, while I too read and did not like the Sala book, I voiced my opinion to Johnathan Ott about the many errors etc., in the book. OTt said to me, and I had to think about this seriously, that when my cbook and his first books and others first books ont he shroms came out, we all had mistakes and errors in the books because of much misinformation about the shrooms in other peoples published works.

Ott pointi ed out to me that Sala's book is a good book for parents who are interested in my7 their children might do drugs and how to related to them about it.

I personally saw a lot of fault in his book, however, as Ott said, it is the first book to discuss such things as bad is as it is, it could be used in a rewarding manner.

mj

Adelaar's 2nd edition should have corrected the errors fromt he first. I pointed out all of the errors in his book to him regarding species in Holland.

So I hope he correct such errors in his 2nd printing.

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Re: Holland Hunting. [Re: mjshroomer]
    #3788135 - 02/16/05 06:14 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Hi mjshroomer, thanks for your reply.
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mjshroomer said:
Ott pointi ed out to me that Sala's book is a good book for parents who are interested in my7 their children might do drugs and how to related to them about it.



For that purpose, a far better and more accurate book exists in The Netherlands (I believe it has been translated into English as well...), written by Gerben Hellinga and Hans Plomp. The Dutch title is 'Uit je bol', which translates to something like 'Out of your mind' (although that phrase has some sort of negative taste, as opposed to the Dutch title, so my translation isn't that good...). This book deals with the global properties of most drugs that are being used by groups of people all over the world. It provides more or less objective information about these drugs, as well as some insight into their history, their effects and the risks they impose. Shrooms are also dealt with in this publication, albeit that the information provided isn't very detailed due to the general concept of the book.


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Re: Holland Hunting. [Re: koraks]
    #3788155 - 02/16/05 06:34 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

"Uit je bol"

Indeed a grand read!


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Re: Holland Hunting. [Re: Fliquid]
    #3788162 - 02/16/05 06:40 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

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"Uit je bol"

Indeed a grand read!



Yeah, it's been stuck to my bedstand for years now :laugh: ...might also have something to do with the overall stickiness of the bedstand though...


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Re: Holland Hunting. [Re: koraks]
    #3788169 - 02/16/05 06:47 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

http://www.natuurenboek.nl/details.aspx?lnpkid=70002211

i have been told that is a good book for IDing mushroom in Holland.

Edit: some things removed


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Re: Holland Hunting. [Re: Anand]
    #3788174 - 02/16/05 06:50 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I believe making a suggestion to do a group hunt is not allowed here.
I believe it may only be suggested at G & T.

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    #3788238 - 02/16/05 07:54 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

OOPS....


sorry


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Re: Holland Hunting. [Re: Anand]
    #3788250 - 02/16/05 08:07 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

No problem, it's just my FYI.  :wink:


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    #3789714 - 02/16/05 04:51 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Anand said:
http://www.natuurenboek.nl/details.aspx?lnpkid=70002211

i have been told that is a good book for IDing mushroom in Holland.




Looks very interesting. I gather you haven't already bought it? I'd like to know if it's any good before I throw ? 45 at it...


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Re: Holland Hunting. [Re: koraks]
    #3789880 - 02/16/05 05:35 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Dutchiessssssss! :laugh:

I have been on libcap hunting this fall and there werent many. I have the idea that the dry periods in last summers (especially 2003) are taking there toll.
When it is almost 30C for many weeks, with no rain for months, the libcap must suffer from that.

Also heavy picking by hunters stops the spreading of spores.

Maybe MJ has an opinion on the hot summers? Its no coincidence that they are plenty in the hills of UK and Norway/Sweden as well. All very WET places.

Other mushrooms (in the forest where the soil is protected against the sun by the trees) did rather well last fall...... Cause besides some hot weeks in juli/august it has been raining a lot too....

Anyway, I decided to start growing, so I am not dependant from the lib caps.


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Re: Holland Hunting. [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3791574 - 02/17/05 04:08 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Growing just isn't an option available for me.


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