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Flipping PF jars can be bad?
    #3777158 - 02/14/05 03:52 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

im on my first (and 2nd and 3d) project and i got 1 jar out and 3 waiting.
at about 90% colonisation the growth had slowed down alot so i decided to flip over the jars for co2/o2 exchange.

then they slowed to the point of looking completely dead.
no growth whatsoever for at least 3 days...
so i figure this aint working and i might as well place em right side up again as this is more practical.

next 2 days later i noticed the growth had started again quite fast...
1 day later (today) i noticed my jars are nearly 100%...

they had a good week of little to no growth upside down...

has any1 else ever had this?


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Re: Flipping PF jars can be bad? [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #3777345 - 02/14/05 05:47 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

your flippin jars around is basically you spazzing about nothing. It would have happened (the colonization) whether you did it or not. Especially at 90%. At that point just leave the shit be. If it stops, use what you got; there is really no difference. Just pull it and fruit. Using straw/poo or a straight casing or no casing at all.


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Re: Flipping PF jars can be bad? [Re: DirtMcgirt]
    #3777430 - 02/14/05 06:59 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

spazzing? lol
this is my first grow so im still lerning...
i read in the tek's about flipping the jars and i thought it might be worth a try... cant hurt much...
but the thing is it didnt do nothing so i turned em over again and
after reading it could take up to 5 weeks i kinda prepared myself for a long wait...

what amazes me is the agressive way its growing after i turned them back over again...


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Re: Flipping PF jars can be bad? [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #3777656 - 02/14/05 09:43 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Most PF jars will slow down LOTS at around 80-90%.


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Re: Flipping PF jars can be bad? [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #3777735 - 02/14/05 10:18 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Flipping jars is good...IME

Did you pull the tape off the inoculation holes in the lid?
If you didn't...do it...it will speed up colonization.

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Re: Flipping PF jars can be bad? [Re: Roadkill]
    #3777765 - 02/14/05 10:33 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

actualy i hadent taped the jars but rather put them in sandwich baggies...

and the slowing i expected, me being a noob n all... but the drastic speeding up again is curious...


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Re: Flipping PF jars can be bad? [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #3777782 - 02/14/05 10:40 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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actualy i hadent taped the jars but rather put them in sandwich baggies...

and the slowing i expected, me being a noob n all... but the drastic speeding up again is curious...




Let me get this right....bare with me.

You pressure cooked or boiled your jars.
How did you cover the holes then?
Alum foil?

Then inoculated them?
Then put them in plastic baggies?

Please explain.


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Re: Flipping PF jars can be bad? [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #3777806 - 02/14/05 10:50 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

well i dont have a pc so i boiled regular PF style jars in a large pot
with 1 layer of tinfoil, some dry verm, another layer of tinfoil.
injected trough that and put them in the baggies.

...crap...
i think ive figured this out:

id forgotten about my heater... i had them in a pmp for a wile (hence the baggies), it has an aquarium heater wich according to the manual needs to stay verticle. so its in a bottle and there is a light on it
that tells u when it is heating...
on.. off.. on.. off...

my jars have been getting terrible light pollution all the way
and this must have become a big problem near the end.
when i flipped my jars i also placed them in another place with no such evil little lights...

the renewed growth must be due to the total darkness they are getting now (aside from me checking on them dayly)...


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Re: Flipping PF jars can be bad? [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #3777867 - 02/14/05 11:14 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

It isn't really necessary to cover up your inoculation holes after inoculation if you just place them in a sterilized box(with the smallest air circulation you can get).


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Re: Flipping PF jars can be bad? [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #3777898 - 02/14/05 11:23 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Thats alot of work you did.

Next time if you do jars...skip the layer of alum foil on the inside of the jar.

Just put your substrate in the jar, wipe out the inside lip...then put the dry verm in to the top...put your lid on...tape the holes with masking tape...cover the top with alum foil for added protection if you are boiling the jars.

Substrate(BRF/Verm), Dry Verm, lid with taped holes, Alum foil.

When you inoculate with your syringe...pull back the tape enough to inject the spores...then put the tap back on.
You can make little tabs on the end of the masking tape to make it easier to pull the tape back.  :wink:

Then leave the tape on the jars til you get good growth in the jars.
When the jar seems like it stalled a little or growth stops...pull the tape off.
The jar will start to colonize again.
When it stalls again...flip the jar.

I'd stop using the baggies.
Baggies hold air...might have contams in the air.

If you are doing open air inoculation(no glovebox or flowhood) spray the air with lysol before you inoculate.
And make sure you don't have a draft in the room you inoculate in.
You can light a match to see if there is a draft.
You want no air movement.

Good luck!~


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Re: Flipping PF jars can be bad? [Re: Roadkill]
    #3777939 - 02/14/05 11:35 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Will the tape be fine at 100c?


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Re: Flipping PF jars can be bad? [Re: SpaceVox]
    #3777941 - 02/14/05 11:36 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

yep.


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Re: Flipping PF jars can be bad? [Re: Roadkill]
    #3777943 - 02/14/05 11:36 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

kewl thxz 4 the tips :smile:


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Re: Flipping PF jars can be bad? [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #3777947 - 02/14/05 11:37 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Where do you get that kind of tape(micro pore)?


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Re: Flipping PF jars can be bad? [Re: SpaceVox]
    #3777966 - 02/14/05 11:41 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

drug stores should have it.


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Re: Flipping PF jars can be bad? [Re: SpaceVox]
    #3777979 - 02/14/05 11:44 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Will the tape be fine at 100c?




Getting my converter out...lolzz

I'm an American...and old...they didn't teach us that in school back in my day.

250 degrees Fahrenheit at 15 psi...masking tape holds up great.

that would be 121.1111 Celsius for you.

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Re: Flipping PF jars can be bad? [Re: Roadkill]
    #3778501 - 02/14/05 01:51 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

the tape i used is regular masking tape...
so far no problems... i do think surgical would be better...
the masking tape stands up to heat but sometime moisture will
desolve the stickyness if there is an edge fo moisture to creep under...


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Re: Flipping PF jars can be bad? [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #3780311 - 02/14/05 09:29 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I like checking your growlog because my first grow is almost identical. I'm doing it PF style with B+ too. I inoculated on Jan 20, and I've got 6 jars about 90% colonized. My jars, just like yours, practically stopped at about 90%. I've got them all flipped now, and they seem to be growing slowly. This last little bit of waiting is really getting old. Good luck on yours.


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Re: Flipping PF jars can be bad? [Re: Fungus_Farmer]
    #3782063 - 02/15/05 04:36 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

thxz :smile:
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Re: Flipping PF jars can be bad? [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #3783126 - 02/15/05 01:23 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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the tape i used is regular masking tape...
so far no problems... i do think surgical would be better...
the masking tape stands up to heat but sometime moisture will
desolve the stickyness if there is an edge fo moisture to creep under...




In 4 years + of growing I have never had a problem using masking tape.


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