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OfflineJatoba
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What would happen to blind people on shrooms?
    #3772213 - 02/12/05 11:18 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Im just wondering what would happen. Would they be able to see all the crazy visuals, or would they get everything except that? Anybody know a blind person thats tripped before(on anything)?


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Re: What would happen to blind people on shrooms? [Re: Jatoba]
    #3772230 - 02/12/05 11:29 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Good question.


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Re: What would happen to blind people on shrooms? [Re: Jatoba]
    #3772252 - 02/12/05 11:38 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

This has been asked before. I found a link to a study that had 10 blind people (both people that were born blind and people that became blind later in life) and the results were that there weren't really any visual effects.


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Re: What would happen to blind people on shrooms? [Re: theocean06]
    #3772269 - 02/12/05 11:46 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

i remember this question being asked one time also and this guy said his friend was blind and when he took shrooms he saw colors he never saw before. dont know how reliable that is though. but hey ocean even with a study of 10 people you could not have accurate results. dont you think? cause lets say only 10% of people who are blind will experience anything then you have a small chance of it being among those 10 to be part of that 10%. then theres the whole fact of if the testes were givin a high enough dose. but hey even if they didnt have visuals they got a good ass body buzz.


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Re: What would happen to blind people on shrooms? [Re: Jatoba]
    #3772270 - 02/12/05 11:46 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I think they would get visual, depending on where the cause of their blindness lies. Most of the visual effects (closed eye for example) are caused by the brain, not the optic nerve....therefore, if the optic nerve is damaged, and not the brain, I see no reason why they wouldn't get the CEV effect. However, if their blindness was caused by a problem in the part of their brain that works with visualizations, then my guess is that they wouldn't see anything. Some of the visual effects are caused by the 3rd eye being opened, and they too would be present I assume.


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Re: What would happen to blind people on shrooms? [Re: lemon_lw]
    #3772296 - 02/12/05 11:58 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Well, there has never been a study on this so there is no way to say for sure. I am only saying that I read where 10 random blind people took psychedelics (I think mushrooms) and none of them really saw an open eye visuals and the closed eye visuals varied from person to person (about half didn't really experience any and the other half did). This of course is not an accurate account of what would happen to blind people in general since there were so few people studied.


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Re: What would happen to blind people on shrooms? [Re: theocean06]
    #3772301 - 02/13/05 12:00 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

It would still be fun because of the trips you have while your eyes are close those have often been more intese for me then when my eyes are open
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Re: What would happen to blind people on shrooms? [Re: ShroomeroUno]
    #3772317 - 02/13/05 12:10 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

There are all levels of blindess. Some people are blind in the center of their vision, others may have "tunnel vision". Some people may only be able to see blurry shapes that are objects.


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Re: What would happen to blind people on shrooms? [Re: ShroomeroUno]
    #3772321 - 02/13/05 12:11 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Oh it would without a doubt be an interesting experience for the person, just that the visuals may be lacking.

And Myco, the people were blind, meaning they couldn't see at all (or maybe a very little amount).

Edit: Found this -

http://forums.lycaeum.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=7&t=000733

"Kenneth Ring has done LSD research where he has dosed congenial blind people, and in many instances they would have an out-o-body and actually be able to "see" things which occured in "consensus" reality"

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- So, I would have to say it all depends on the person taking it.


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Edited by theocean06 (02/13/05 12:18 AM)


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Re: What would happen to blind people on shrooms? [Re: theocean06]
    #3772381 - 02/13/05 12:43 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

there has been studies on color blind people and lsd and how they see the colors better on and afterwards the colors stand out more and some, who tripped alot, have reported being able to answer way more on the color blind tests


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Re: What would happen to blind people on shrooms? [Re: acoostick]
    #3772828 - 02/13/05 03:22 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

well vision is not just a part of the eye, but a part of the brain that forms early in development

if they were born blind, that area of the brain would never form, and so i dont think visuals would form when tripping

if they had vision and then went blind, they would probably be able to get visuals tripping, because the visual part of the brain was already formed.

At least this is what i conclude from everything i learned in my brain and behavior class in college. I've never read or performed a study on it.


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Re: What would happen to blind people on shrooms? [Re: Jatoba]
    #3774681 - 02/13/05 05:33 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I would expect that the visions experienced by the blind would be very similar to REM-states of pre-natal children, that being hypnagogic and lacking comparable/definable features and forms.

So basically, like what you experience behind closed eyelids as you nod off to sleep. Squiggly lines, circles, basic geometric shapes etc.

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Re: What would happen to blind people on shrooms? [Re: theocean06]
    #3775288 - 02/13/05 07:57 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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theocean06 said:
This has been asked before. I found a link to a study that had 10 blind people (both people that were born blind and people that became blind later in life) and the results were that there weren't really any visual effects.




could you link us to a URL ?


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Re: What would happen to blind people on shrooms? [Re: Merkin]
    #3775330 - 02/13/05 08:05 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I would like to, but I found the site a couple months ago.  I never saved it, but I am still looking - no luck so far :frown:


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Re: What would happen to blind people on shrooms? [Re: theocean06]
    #3775524 - 02/13/05 08:51 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I can't see greens and blues. However, when I'm tripping on mush/lsd I can see very distinct colors. I don't really know how to explain because then when I come down everything goes back to the way it was before. I can't really tell you if I'm seeing green and blue or something else but I know that I can see colors that I don't normally see in regular life.


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Re: What would happen to blind people on shrooms? [Re: i_rage_against]
    #3776203 - 02/13/05 11:27 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

It depends if your ailment is cortical or mental.

In the abscence of visual stimulii your brain may be able to compensate and produce the appropriate mental activity that would correspond to seeing green and blue. I imagine this would be quite different to what you normally see so yeah what you saw may very well have been the colours you are blind to.

Just out of curiosity, I've always wondered what it is like to be colourblind. Are there colours you know you are not colourblind to that bear some semblance to your impression of green/blue?

I would hate to not be able to see green, but then again who says what I see as being green is in fact not blue? It does your head in thinking about these types of things :grin:


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Re: What would happen to blind people on shrooms? [Re: BorgFace]
    #3778707 - 02/14/05 04:12 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I've always thought the same thing... an apple may be red but who's to say everybody's red is really "red" Intersting to think about.
Being taught as kids we learn grass is green and the sky is blue. To me they're kind of a similar color (different shades obbiously depending on saturation etc.) but they kinda look similar to "brown"

People say stuff like man, doesn't it suck to look at the ocean or trees or whatever, but I've always seen things this way so it's no big deal to me, I'm glad to see most colors and I think it gives me better appreciation for texture etc.

On a side note, I'm an artist and I would really love to see my painting for somebody elses perspective, I think about that everday.

Sorry if this post doesn't make much sense. I'm just kind of writing things as they pop into my head.


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Re: What would happen to blind people on shrooms? [Re: Jatoba]
    #3778748 - 02/14/05 04:19 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Huxley had very bad vision, he was almost blind. He wrote that he never had good visuals with LSD and mescaline.

Colorblindness is rooted in the retina, it's a problem in the cones (photoreceptors more sensitive to a fragment of the spectrum). So I don't think a psychedelic would make any difference. But I too have the impression of seeing richer colors when I'm tripping, and some of the colors I've seen (especially with 2CB, but also with mushrooms and LSD) I have never seen before. This could be because when tripping I pay attention to details that I normally don't, or because sensory input is unfiltered and I don't automatically categorize some unique color as "red".


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Re: What would happen to blind people on shrooms? [Re: tomas]
    #3779395 - 02/14/05 06:10 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah but what I was trying to say is that even though the persons eye's are defective, that doesn't mean the centres responsible for processing that hue in the brain are.

For instance in dream scapes. You are perceiving things without perceiving them, so maybe in an unfiltered medium there are colours that they would be otherwise unable to see.


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Re: What would happen to blind people on shrooms? [Re: BorgFace]
    #3779526 - 02/14/05 06:39 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

BorgFace said:
For instance in dream scapes. You are perceiving things without perceiving them, so maybe in an unfiltered medium there are colours that they would be otherwise unable to see.




I see :smile: that's an interesting question. The brain of a colorblind person may never develop the ability to "see" the full spectrum.


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