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 jonnyshaggs420
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 Re: 2 "things"  [Re: missulena]
#378008 - 08/24/01 06:29 PM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hate to tell you this, 'cuz I don't like trashing other peoples beliefs, but science is not unbiased. Why just today I heard qualified scientists discuss their irrefutable proof of the existance of Noah's flood. While just minutes later I heard others saying that there is irrefutable proof that it did not happen and there is no way they could prove it. Well sounds like there was some biased science in there don't ya think.
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missulena
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Notice I said good science? which basicly meant resolved and demonstrated to be correct, religions been around since man could string two sentences together why cant we use scientific methods to prove or disprove gods existance? because its not even plausible theres nothing to work with, theres no starting point so how can you believe in it? a bit premature dont you think.
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what is good science? is it like good water? can i be the one who decides good and bad?...pick me pick me.
after reading thru this thread i feel like ive eaten a tub o popcorn and quaffed a gallon of cheap lemonade....or it might just be the dpt
gnrm23 - in australia, they eat emu drumsticks, emu drumsticks mate, imagine that.
missulena - a lot of knowledge cannot be communicated directly, either due to the failure of language to keep up or due to the social climate. hence the existance of myths and fairy tales. these stories contain knowledge on many different levels and the reader accesses the info they are capable of perceiving.
a perfect example is the books of idries shah, sufi teaching stories.
i get the feeling some people here still define god in the simple christian form of the old man in the sky.
in b.o.t.a they often use the term the `absolute`, meaning complete, 100%, 1 thing
Edited by mr crisper on 08/24/01 11:09 PM.
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Re: 2 "things" [Re: missulena]
#378366 - 08/25/01 05:01 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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You have fallen into a mental trap that many make, there is a big differance between science and religion they are not the same thing at all
Both are methods of developing beliefs. Science relies on 'facts', but religion relied on faith or personal experiences. The only reason either exist is to provide answers, therefore they are both the same.
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Phyl
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Notice I said good science? which basicly meant resolved and demonstrated to be correct
In some situations or in all situation? Even the most fundaments science, such as einsteins theory of general relativity falls apart in some situations.
Can you provide a list of what is 'good' science and what is 'bad' science? When one piece of science contradicts another, what are we supposed to believe?
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Re: 2 [Re: Phyl]
#378369 - 08/25/01 05:44 AM (23 years, 1 month ago) |
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You have been very civilised about this phyl, which I appreciate but this could go on forever.By saying good science I know that was a bad mistake but what I meant is when I see a snake shed its skin I see science in action, when I take a breath I see science in action, you see god, but this seems to mean less and less to alot of people and will continue to mean less and less I think and I personaly dont think thats bad thing.
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Hi Missulena, I agree this could go on forever, and it's better to agree to disagree. Please not though that I'm not ignoring science. I see science as very valuable method of understanding the relities our ego's inhabit. The best analogy I can come up with is that I see this reality as a kind of bubble. We all live inside this bubble, and within this bubble the laws of science are true. Once you begin to examine the walls of the bubble though sciences such as quantum physics, accepted science fall apart and you realise that there is much more that exists outside fo the bubble, which science is unable to explain. This is where religion comes into the picture. What relevence you place on this is entirely up to you
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"god really doesnt exist, unless you think it does. "
Then you don't really exist, unless you think you do.
What makes science work? Why is there stuff? I think it's magic, I think it's god. Both of those words are really shitty though. The thing is I don't know why there's stuff. Scientific method is helping a lot, but does that make spirituality and philosophy pointless? No, science is a philosophy. Spirituality is needed to even see a reason for living. Having set spiritual beliefs is close-minded though, science shows us new things every day wich definately can advance your spiritual ideas. Without spirituality though, life is just a mathematical equation finding physical expression somehow, and the fact that it's finding physical expression at all is reason enough for spirituality. Spirituality and philosophy are 2 thigs you can't live without, it's impossible, so just because the words we use to communicate our ideas are so loaded(like "god") doesn't mean that anyone who ......anyway I'm so high right now. I hope most of this idea got across. I'm just pissed that some people get so defensive as soon as you start talking about the things that you're supposed to talk about in this forum.
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