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pan cyan substate, birdseed or rye?
    #3769827 - 02/12/05 03:55 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I was wondering if birdseed or rye were suitable for colonizing jars with pan cyan? after i have colonized substrate I intend to mix the colonized substrate with composted manure.


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Re: pan cyan substate, birdseed or rye? [Re: prototypical_man]
    #3769828 - 02/12/05 03:56 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Both work.


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Re: pan cyan substate, birdseed or rye? [Re: prototypical_man]
    #3769843 - 02/12/05 03:59 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Yes both are.

Your choice.


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Re: pan cyan substate, birdseed or rye? [Re: Roadkill]
    #3771011 - 02/12/05 03:28 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I guess by those answers that there is no general opinion or consensus on which of those two may tend to produce better results?

Also, I realize that spawn substrate is usually done w/ grains, but pan cyans thrive especialy well off dung, right? Would throwing in some sterilized or pasturized poo/compost w/ the spawn substrate achieve extra happy myc, and/or healthier fruits?

I imagine such a mixture would be more sensitive to contams, but is it even possible to combine a dung:grain substrate, or would that simply not work for whatever reasons?

Has anyone tried using a primarily dung-based spawn substrate with any success, which produced any sort of notable extra benefit over a grain-based substrate?


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Re: pan cyan substate, birdseed or rye? [Re: VALIS]
    #3771222 - 02/12/05 04:25 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

:confused: "Spawn" is one thing (generaly colonized grains)

"Substrate" is another thing (generaly manure based compost, or straw / horse manure mix). You add colonized spawn to a substrate.

Some confusion exists, because you can use colonized WBS, or rye "spawn" as a "substrate", meaning "fruit" directly from it.

Imho, use a colonized WBS, or grain spawn, spawned into to horse manure / straw mix is best for "Pan's".


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Re: pan cyan substate, birdseed or rye? [Re: agar]
    #3771240 - 02/12/05 04:30 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Would worm castings be good for pans? I always have really good results mixing that with cow poo and straw for cubes.


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Re: pan cyan substate, birdseed or rye? [Re: agar]
    #3771354 - 02/12/05 05:23 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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agar said:
:confused: "Spawn" is one thing (generaly colonized grains)

"Substrate" is another thing (generaly manure based compost, or straw / horse manure mix). You add colonized spawn to a substrate.




So the term, "spawn substrate" is actualy mutualy-exclusive... heheh, and there I was trying to be explicitly clear! <grin>

Thanks for clarifying this for me!



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Some confusion exists, because you can use colonized WBS, or rye "spawn" as a "substrate", meaning "fruit" directly from it.




As is in, a square is a rectangle - but not all rectangles are squares...

Another confusing point is that "spawn" is both used as an adjective (  edit: err, noun ) and a verb.



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Imho, use a colonized WBS, or grain spawn, spawned into to horse manure / straw mix is best for "Pan's".




That kinda leads back to my org. question, which I'll refrase:

Would a dung-based spawn be more optimal than a grain-based spawn for cultivating pan. cyans? And, is it possible to do a dung:grain combo for spawn, or will that not work? If a dung:grain spawn mix is possible, would that make for a better pan. cyan. spawn than would a standard straight grain spawn?

Also, is there truly no real or notable difference between wbs and rye for spawning pan. cyan.?


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Re: pan cyan substate, birdseed or rye? [Re: agar]
    #3771444 - 02/12/05 06:02 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Go HERE

AND HERE:

And HERE:

Judge for yourself.


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Re: pan cyan substate, birdseed or rye? [Re: agar]
    #3771596 - 02/12/05 06:54 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I appreciate your time in responding, unfortunately I've already read through each of those links you provided, and I'm already quite convinced that rye spawn or wbs spawn works very well. I also know that dung substrate is crucial for decent results.

What I'm trying to get information regarding - specifically - is if dung would make an even "better" spawn. And/or whether a dung:grain combo would be a theoretically or potentially optimal spawn medium for pn. cyans.

I may have just managed to miss any mention or discussion of that particular topic in any of the links you provided, if so I apologize.

I've seen a bit of back-and-forth regarding rye vs. wbs for pn. cyan. though - I was just hoping I might have gotten further info or opinions on the matter.

Many thanks - Beers!


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Re: pan cyan substate, birdseed or rye? [Re: VALIS]
    #3771709 - 02/12/05 07:34 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think so. How would you intro culture into dung. Except with spawn? I suppose you could use spores, or liquid culture in a bag. As dung in a jar would not shake & bag would.

Except, colonized dung bag would be a giant pita, to get into tiny chunks, to use as spawn into more dung. That is why colonized grains are more effective as spawn (besides the extra nutes - thet add into the mix)

Few days ago, my foaf recieved "pan" print from very gracious pro mycomaster. I made 2 syringes, 6 pda agar plates & 2 jars liquid culture from 3/4 of the print (saved 1/4 for future possible use).

After plates & LC colonize (hopefully), My foaf intents to give "pan's" a whirl & to try various methods.


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Re: pan cyan substate, birdseed or rye? [Re: agar]
    #3774145 - 02/13/05 02:47 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)


Cool deal - thanks agar; that last response makes sense to me, especially the pita part...

Really looking forward to the results of your friend's experiments w/ the pans; sounds like he's being pretty thorough - I'm guessing he'll meet with great success!


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