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prototypical_man
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pan cyan substate, birdseed or rye?
#3769827 - 02/12/05 01:55 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was wondering if birdseed or rye were suitable for colonizing jars with pan cyan? after i have colonized substrate I intend to mix the colonized substrate with composted manure.
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Both work.
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Yes both are.
Your choice.
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Re: pan cyan substate, birdseed or rye? [Re: Roadkill]
#3771011 - 02/12/05 01:28 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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I guess by those answers that there is no general opinion or consensus on which of those two may tend to produce better results?
Also, I realize that spawn substrate is usually done w/ grains, but pan cyans thrive especialy well off dung, right? Would throwing in some sterilized or pasturized poo/compost w/ the spawn substrate achieve extra happy myc, and/or healthier fruits?
I imagine such a mixture would be more sensitive to contams, but is it even possible to combine a dung:grain substrate, or would that simply not work for whatever reasons?
Has anyone tried using a primarily dung-based spawn substrate with any success, which produced any sort of notable extra benefit over a grain-based substrate?
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Edited by VALIS (02/12/05 01:34 PM)
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agar
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Re: pan cyan substate, birdseed or rye? [Re: VALIS] 1
#3771222 - 02/12/05 02:25 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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"Spawn" is one thing (generaly colonized grains)
"Substrate" is another thing (generaly manure based compost, or straw / horse manure mix). You add colonized spawn to a substrate.
Some confusion exists, because you can use colonized WBS, or rye "spawn" as a "substrate", meaning "fruit" directly from it.
Imho, use a colonized WBS, or grain spawn, spawned into to horse manure / straw mix is best for "Pan's".
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Re: pan cyan substate, birdseed or rye? [Re: agar]
#3771240 - 02/12/05 02:30 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Would worm castings be good for pans? I always have really good results mixing that with cow poo and straw for cubes.
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Edited by godfann1 (02/12/05 02:32 PM)
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VALIS
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Re: pan cyan substate, birdseed or rye? [Re: agar]
#3771354 - 02/12/05 03:23 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
agar said: "Spawn" is one thing (generaly colonized grains)
"Substrate" is another thing (generaly manure based compost, or straw / horse manure mix). You add colonized spawn to a substrate.
So the term, "spawn substrate" is actualy mutualy-exclusive... heheh, and there I was trying to be explicitly clear! <grin>
Thanks for clarifying this for me!
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Some confusion exists, because you can use colonized WBS, or rye "spawn" as a "substrate", meaning "fruit" directly from it.
As is in, a square is a rectangle - but not all rectangles are squares...
Another confusing point is that "spawn" is both used as an adjective ( edit: err, noun ) and a verb.
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Imho, use a colonized WBS, or grain spawn, spawned into to horse manure / straw mix is best for "Pan's".
That kinda leads back to my org. question, which I'll refrase:
Would a dung-based spawn be more optimal than a grain-based spawn for cultivating pan. cyans? And, is it possible to do a dung:grain combo for spawn, or will that not work? If a dung:grain spawn mix is possible, would that make for a better pan. cyan. spawn than would a standard straight grain spawn?
Also, is there truly no real or notable difference between wbs and rye for spawning pan. cyan.?
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Edited by VALIS (02/12/05 03:31 PM)
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agar
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Re: pan cyan substate, birdseed or rye? [Re: agar] 1
#3771444 - 02/12/05 04:02 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Go HERE
AND HERE:
And HERE:
Judge for yourself.
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Edited by agar (02/12/05 04:15 PM)
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VALIS
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Re: pan cyan substate, birdseed or rye? [Re: agar]
#3771596 - 02/12/05 04:54 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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I appreciate your time in responding, unfortunately I've already read through each of those links you provided, and I'm already quite convinced that rye spawn or wbs spawn works very well. I also know that dung substrate is crucial for decent results.
What I'm trying to get information regarding - specifically - is if dung would make an even "better" spawn. And/or whether a dung:grain combo would be a theoretically or potentially optimal spawn medium for pn. cyans.
I may have just managed to miss any mention or discussion of that particular topic in any of the links you provided, if so I apologize.
I've seen a bit of back-and-forth regarding rye vs. wbs for pn. cyan. though - I was just hoping I might have gotten further info or opinions on the matter.
Many thanks - Beers!
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Re: pan cyan substate, birdseed or rye? [Re: VALIS]
#3771709 - 02/12/05 05:34 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't think so. How would you intro culture into dung. Except with spawn? I suppose you could use spores, or liquid culture in a bag. As dung in a jar would not shake & bag would.
Except, colonized dung bag would be a giant pita, to get into tiny chunks, to use as spawn into more dung. That is why colonized grains are more effective as spawn (besides the extra nutes - thet add into the mix)
Few days ago, my foaf recieved "pan" print from very gracious pro mycomaster. I made 2 syringes, 6 pda agar plates & 2 jars liquid culture from 3/4 of the print (saved 1/4 for future possible use).
After plates & LC colonize (hopefully), My foaf intents to give "pan's" a whirl & to try various methods.
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Re: pan cyan substate, birdseed or rye? [Re: agar]
#3774145 - 02/13/05 12:47 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cool deal - thanks agar; that last response makes sense to me, especially the pita part...
Really looking forward to the results of your friend's experiments w/ the pans; sounds like he's being pretty thorough - I'm guessing he'll meet with great success!
Beers!
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