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Trusting your intuition
    #3769738 - 02/12/05 01:31 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

This phrase is bandied about all the time as if it is some higher truth.

People's "intuition" (whatever that is!) generally sucks. Let's look at a few things:

Vegas is the fastest growing city in the world because people's intuition doesn't work. I make most of my living pitting logic against intuition.

Not to make this yet another UFO thread, but as I pointed out: at least 95% of all reports are mistaken. Now here I may be commingling intuition with perceptions, but there certainly is some crossover.

How can women choose abusive spouses if their intuition is so good? Why did so many intelligent women fall for Ted Bundy, the notorious serial killer? How can otherwise successful men marry gold-diggers and think this love is genuine?

Why do con men thrive? How do Televangelists and cults survive?

DO NOT TRUST your intuition. Your initial judgement (and mine) is generally highly flawed. Dig a little deeper. Have you been wrong before? Of course! But this time you are right? Nonsense.


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Swami]
    #3769789 - 02/12/05 01:45 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

HHHhhmmmm....  I need to go back to Atlantic City then....  I went with the "intuition" that I would loose money gambling, so I chose to spend enough money to have fun, nothing more.... 

Perhaps I should have spent ALL of my money, not trusting my intuition....    :shake:

Or, pehaps, it was reason that I put my trust in....?    :laugh:


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Swami]
    #3769812 - 02/12/05 01:51 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Swami said:
How can women choose abusive spouses if their intuition is so good? Why did so many intelligent women fall for Ted Bundy, the notorious serial killer? How can otherwise successful men marry gold-diggers and think this love is genuine?

Why do con men thrive? How do Televangelists and cults survive?




Intuition(?), or were "they" charmed and decieved....  And perhaps not the courage or self confidence to let go of the "feeling" of not being alone....?    I would assume insecurities drive such actions, not intuition....    But(t), I am ass(uming)....    :wink:

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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #3769832 - 02/12/05 01:57 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

...or were "they" decieved?

Intuition means to be able to look past pretense. How can you deceive someone whose intuition is accurate?


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Swami]
    #3769891 - 02/12/05 02:20 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

But, aren't you assuming that they did indeed use intuition....?  EDIT:  And aren't you assuming that a person's "intuition" IS "accurate" with your statement....? 

Example;  A cobra has an "Intuition" (or instinct?) to strike a passer by when "threatened"....  But, a snake "charmer" can mezmorize~ with side to side movements as to make the snake not go on it's natural "intuition" (or instict?).... 

So I guess, one question would be, is the "intuition" based on "instinct", and can that "force" be swayed (or charmed)....?  And who is to say that "intuition" is "accurate" to defining "truth" in "intentions"...?  Intensions ufold, and you can choose to face them, or not to face them....  Beaten wives (past the first time) choose not to face the "intensions", or come up with an excuse therein (most likely having to do with insecurities?)....

I still think that "reason" RULZ~ over "intuition"....  Myself I say this because I don't *think* I have ever based a decision on "intuition"....  Perhaps "intuition" makes you "see" something, and "reasoning" gives you decisiveness to act upon it.....?  If one decides to approach it that way....

EDIT:  I am agreeing with your first post....  I would not trust my "intuition" alone to make a decision....

Eeeeehhh...?

(Proudly sporting a wife-beater t-shirt...)  :wink:


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #3770032 - 02/12/05 03:07 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

we live in a modern info. disseminated world.it has much to absorb which has much distraction.

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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Cosm]
    #3770039 - 02/12/05 03:10 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Trying to explain intuition with logic is just so funny Swami. :smile:

Why are shamans so succesfull (as they tend to live almost completely in the safenet of their intuition, I call it safenet, it is a safenet for me) if it was so unworthy?


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Swami]
    #3770323 - 02/12/05 08:01 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

"Vegas is the fastest growing city in the world because people's intuition doesn't work."

Vegas is the fastest growing city because people are delusional to think that they can beat the house odds with their "intuition". Odds that are not in one's favor are called losing odds. At the casino, some losing odds are worse than other losing odds. An example would be the field bet in craps, which has a house advantage of 11% versus a pass line bet that has a house advantage with single odds taken of 0.60%. Yet fools bet the field. Of course, fools bet the pass line as well which is also a loser, but at least the punishment is dragged out. The other problem is that 95% of people play till they lose all their money even if they were once up. Knowing when to quit if you do have a lucky run at craps or blackjack is a skill most will never learn. Take a break, buy dinner, go to a show, go to bed early when you are on the house money. What a great feeling to have Harrah's pay for the evening.

"I make most of my money pitting logic against intuition."

I assume you are talking about the poker table. I would agree there is the "logical" strategic side to poker, absolutely. If you play against people who don't know the odds, when to fold or raise, or call all day long, your logic and skill will beat their lack of skill most times.

However, poker games such as All In Texas Hold 'Em, when played face to face, have HUGE amounts of intuition. Logic is still in play, but a good poker player is able to use intuitive skills such as reading the other player's tells, and not showing other players when they are truly bluffing all in on nothing.

The fact is, many logical people often have trouble being intuitive. They don't trust their intuition, it has been wrong before. They don't use it, or when they do their intuition is rusty and not working well. So, they get "burned" again and next time REALLY don't use their intuition.

In order to be successful at poker, become more spiritual, and to enhance love and life situations one MUST use and trust one's intuitions. Period. Logic is still there, and is used. Logic and intuition are the dualities of thinking. Conscious analytical mind (logic)and the subconsciousness awareness of the world (intuition) are the duality. They connect in your mind and communicate, if you use them and keep the conversation going.


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #3770370 - 02/12/05 08:27 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

"Trusting your intuition" should say not more and less than giving your instincts, your unconciousness part (often called "feelings") a vote in ADDITION to the rational part of oneself.
And thats a very very good idea.

How gambling comes in here is not really understandable to me - this makes plain no sense.

I agree though that "intuition" is a widely abused concept, like "freedom".

"Common sense" and "best intentions" - both regarded highlights of rationality have lead to worst atrocies and desasters in human history. Some "intuition" when this intuition is guided by basic empathy for others cant be wrong I believe.

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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Organikum]
    #3770399 - 02/12/05 08:42 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

"How gambling comes in here is not really understandable to me"

The gambling was in reference to Swami who has stated in various posts that he is a "semi-professional" poker player. As I also have an interest in gambling and poker, so this was a "logical" way to respond to Swami's post.

"Feelings" are unconscious thoughts acted on by the conscious. Their validity will depend on the state of that person's unconscious mind coupled (functioning, lacking, rusty, or jaded) and the state of their conscious mind (logical, illogical, deluded, in denial, healthy, jaded, or downright dangerous). Paranoid schizophrenics may have all kinds of bad "feelings" that aren't valid.

Agreed that "common sense" or "let the ends justify the means" particularly in a mob setting such as Nazi Germany or modern-day USA can be dangerous. I think that's more mind control on a large scale, and people who as a result are not thinking intuitively with empathy or logically with empathy. They perceive the cause to be noble or at least in their best interests, so that replaces the reality of the horror.


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: repemon]
    #3770610 - 02/12/05 10:59 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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repemon said:
Trying to explain intuition with logic is just so funny Swami. :smile:

Why are shamans so succesfull (as they tend to live almost completely in the safenet of their intuition, I call it safenet, it is a safenet for me) if it was so unworthy?



In what way are shamans successful?


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Silversoul]
    #3770695 - 02/12/05 11:32 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Paradigm said:
In what way are shamans successful?



They got some pretty good psychoactive recipes.


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #3770717 - 02/12/05 11:42 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Trusting our intuition is that same as trusting our innate wisdom.

Shamans have complete trust in there innate wisdom, and as such have complete uninhibited access to knowlege most logical people couldnt even begin to understand. This is why sometimes they appear illogical as logic relies on the intellect, not in ones own innate wisdom.


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Swami]
    #3770771 - 02/12/05 12:05 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

you don't have to trust things if you know them.

Maybe I can't trust my intuition, but I can trust my intuition to be my intuition.

24 years of observation has shown me when my inution tends to be right and when it tends to be wrong.

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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: DoctorJ]
    #3770787 - 02/12/05 12:12 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

24 years of observation has shown me when my inution tends to be right and when it tends to be wrong.

Heh. Yeah, after-the-fact! How useful is that? So basically, intuition is not reliable as I stated.


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Swami]
    #3770791 - 02/12/05 12:13 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

well, lets just say there are times when you go with your gut and times when you ignore it because you know its BSing you.

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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: DoctorJ]
    #3770857 - 02/12/05 12:38 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

So you use your gut to know when to trust your gut? This seems rather circular to me. Perhaps you would care to give a demonstration of this ability to self-evaluate your ability.


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Swami]
    #3770870 - 02/12/05 12:42 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

saying that intuition is never right is just as bad as saying its always right.

sometimes schemas apply and sometimes they don't. Its up to the better judgement of the individual (if they have any). That's all I'm sayin'.

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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: DoctorJ]
    #3770879 - 02/12/05 12:45 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

What I am saying is that intuition is merely:

A. Unidentified physical cues.

B. Ad hoc "reasoning".


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Swami]
    #3770896 - 02/12/05 12:49 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

You're right. Intuition sucks.

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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Swami]
    #3770911 - 02/12/05 12:55 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I feel that intuition generally tends to arise from the limitless potential of our minds. When we act on our intution we sometimes tap into this potential to know outside of our usually well defined logic and habit patterns.

Even if these intuitions are seemingly incorrect then perhaps we have still increased our capacity to overcome our habbit patterns and grow as human beings.


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Sinbad]
    #3770919 - 02/12/05 12:58 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

If intuition leads us to outcomes or choices that are sometimes right and sometimes wrong, how is this ANY different than random chance?


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Swami]
    #3770931 - 02/12/05 01:01 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Random chance is not burdened with self delusion.


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Swami]
    #3770947 - 02/12/05 01:08 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

hehe i trust my intuition at all times. i let it guide me when it comes to relationships and daily activities. should i go there? should i do this? should i trust him? should i fuck her? should i pop that pill?

most of my decisions come down to following some kind of vague, indescribable feeling or impulse that for lack of a better word could be called intuition. To a logical mind this is pure insanity.

and yet, i have never been happier in my life nor have so many of my self defined goals been met. if happiness and goals achieved can be considerd measures of success, and if success is desirable, and if my own experience can be used as any indicator, than following intuition is extremely advisable.

i for one dont plan to stop.


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Moonshoe]
    #3770953 - 02/12/05 01:10 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Logical mind, although seemingly interesting, is the source of all confusion!


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Swami]
    #3770955 - 02/12/05 01:11 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Good inuition comes with experience. Someone who grew a hard and troubled life have better intuition because they can expect what will happen next. People who are tenderfeet continue to suffer bad intuition.

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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #3770960 - 02/12/05 01:12 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Sinbad]
    #3770962 - 02/12/05 01:13 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Often times "intuition" is based on info that has been unconsciously gathered, and not psychic phenomena. In "The Gift of Fear" a secret service analyst describes how one's intuition about their safety is often correct due to minute cues the person has gathered from their environment. The book is about honing this ability to maintain our physical security.


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: DoctorJ]
    #3770963 - 02/12/05 01:14 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

allways trust your instinct, you will find you are usually right

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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Swami]
    #3771069 - 02/12/05 01:52 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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If intuition leads us to outcomes or choices that are sometimes right and sometimes wrong, how is this ANY different than random chance?



Actually all methods of decision making lead to sometimes right and sometimes wrong decisions - judged afterwards. So tell me whats BETTER than intuition?
My idea is that a combination of rationality (whatever this is) and intuition is a good way to go. Humany have given both capabilities: Emotion and rationality - why dont use them both?
Rationality is for sure the method of choice with technalities - what screw to choose for what nut.
Intuition is advised when judging persons, in social interactions.

Intuition is something learned - its not or only to a rather small part given at birth.
And a definition: Intuition is for me the part of decision making which is not based on reasons which can be explicitly named by the person making this decision in the moment of decisionmaking.

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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Organikum]
    #3771157 - 02/12/05 02:10 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Let's look at a large-scale result of intuition: marriage. People are almost always sure that "this is the one" based on their feelings. About half of all marriages end in divorce (where allowed) and many of those who remain together are unhappy. Seems fairly random to me.

EVERY SINGLE TIME I play poker I hear, "I knew you had the flush (or straight or whatever). So naturally I ask why they called (put more money into the pot) if they "knew". Their "intuition" is always confirmed after-the fact. How useful is that?


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Swami]
    #3771172 - 02/12/05 02:14 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

The statistic of half of all marriages ending in divorce is deceptive, as the majority of first-time marriages actually work out. The statistics are skewed by the serial divorces that some people go through, where they will be married for two years, then divorce and get married to someone else.


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Silversoul]
    #3771206 - 02/12/05 02:21 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

My extended family (aunts, uncles cousins, siblings, parents, grandparents) are predominently Christian and 90% of them have been divorced from their first marriage. It is a small, but personal, sample size.

Regardless of the stats, this does not speak well of intuition in making mating choices.


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Swami]
    #3771264 - 02/12/05 02:44 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

So people`s intuitions tell them they want to be together with that special person.
Then after some time things change and they go seperate ways.
Where?s the problem ?
There`s only one if you define a successful outcome by the number of the years spent together.

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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Swami]
    #3771429 - 02/12/05 03:56 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Intuition is commonly confused with the power of deduction.

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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: TheHateCamel]
    #3771464 - 02/12/05 04:11 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I think the directive should be

"Locate your intuition"
&
"Observe your senses - all of them"

generally women are more intuitive especially if that science about "the sense of being looked at" is true - which it quite likely is.

but the dawning of ideas in science is a strange thing too.
sometimes a few scientists in different parts of the world without any co-operation or collusion will reach the next stage of a certain endeavour at the same time. Sure it was bound to happen, but so simultaneously? is there a messaging through the aether???

it is hard to find, but if you can find it you might trust it.


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Swami]
    #3772380 - 02/12/05 10:42 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

"My extended family (aunts, uncles cousins, siblings, parents, grandparents) are predominently Christian and 90% of them have been divorced from their first marriage. It is a small, but personal, sample size."

Not meaning to sound callous, but divorce as a solution to marital problems is a learned behavior that tends to run in famillies. If you look at my extended familly divorce is quite rare. My Uncle got divorced once, but remarried and has stayed that way for over 20 years.


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Swami]
    #3772980 - 02/13/05 02:26 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

You are evading the question Swami:
You claim intuition makes bad decisions.
Ok, maybe.
I asked: What makes better decisions? "Rationality"? Oh my, please not! Thats even easier to debunk as "intuition" is!

Afterwards we always know it better, neverminding what the decision was based on, thats the clou - isnt it?

The whole logic here is a little confused mesays.

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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Swami]
    #3773071 - 02/13/05 03:33 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Life begs questions, as it is the answer... that's intuition!? :P

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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Gomp]
    #3777246 - 02/14/05 02:37 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Close your eyes
Listen Closely
All that you've learned
Try to forget it

Fuck Logic, Fuck Logic
Rival to instinct
And sweet intuition

What makes you tick
Try to remember
All that you've learned
Try to forget it

Believe in, believe in
Believe in instinct
And sweet intuition

Sweet intuition
Sweet intuition
Sweet intuition
Sweet intuition

And inside
We're all still wet
Yearning and longing
Repeat after me

Fuck Logic, Fuck Logic
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And sweet intuition

Sweet intuition honey
Sweet intuition
Sweet
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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Swami]
    #3777266 - 02/14/05 02:45 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I personally believe that what we call "intuition" is essentially a sub-conscious pattern recognition. Since psychedelics cause us to see patterns in things we wouldn't otherwise, it's no surprise then that people feel more intuitive in such a state. And like the visual patterns, these patterns may or may not be a hallucination. Even when sober, we may see patterns which aren't really there, and make bad decisions based on that. Those who have a well-trained intuition will be able to separate real patterns with false ones. In cases where blind luck is involved, such as slot machines, intuition does us no good. In other cases, such as poker, an intuitive observer will be able to make wise decisions based on patterns observed in other players' behaviors.


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Swami]
    #3777272 - 02/14/05 02:48 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Ok i only read the firrst post.. but to comment on that.. i will say that most people just don't know how to tap into their intuition, or not well enough.. i think.. and in terms of gambling it's probably not used correctly at all.. and would depend on what exactly the person is doing as well.. basically though, most people on this planet do not know how to use this kind of stuff. I believe our brains go a lot deeper than most of us know of and are a lot more capable of things than most of people think. I think it's possible to tap into our subconscious, etc.. it's just a matter of finding out how.


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: redgreenvines]
    #3779308 - 02/14/05 03:55 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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generally women are more intuitive especially if that science about "the sense of being looked at" is true - which it quite likely is.




I hear this bandied about constantly but never once have heard or witnessed the slightest thing to support it.

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but the dawning of ideas in science is a strange thing too.
sometimes a few scientists in different parts of the world without any co-operation or collusion will reach the next stage of a certain endeavour at the same time. Sure it was bound to happen, but so simultaneously? is there a messaging through the aether???




Nothing miraculous.
To get to Z, we must first go through X and then Y.
Once we have passex X, Y is next, and after Y we then may proceed to Z.
If two people in different places both understand that we are at Y, it's not magical for them both to begin working to reach Z.. and as the difficulty to reach Z is roughly the same for anybody in a position to reach Z, they'll get there about the same time.


Intuition is not to be trusted.
Not to be thrown away, either.

I've intuited a good number of things that later were discovered to be true.. all dealing with people and whatnot -- things that can be 'read'. People I knew well.
What I'm sayin is, we're just about to pick up on people's states of minds.
No, not psychic powers. No, not MIND WAYVES AWRRGH!
On how they hold themselves, move, speak, their eyes. Real things, not fake things.

It doesn't mean intuition's ever right.
Hmm.. I think so-and-so isn't telling me something. They've got a secret.
Hmm.. why would I think that?
Well.. yeah, their eyes are mighty shifty.. that laugh does sound pretty forced. And come to think of it, he was acting mighty shifty yesterday.. when I bumped into him when I got home from work.. as he was leaving my girlfriend's... heyyyyy wait a minute.

Pretty pointless to rely on intuition alone. If you use it as a point to begin further investigation, sometimes it works out, and sometimes you get to tell yourself you're just being fucking crazy and to stop making things up.


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Swami]
    #3780799 - 02/14/05 09:18 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Swami said:
This phrase is bandied about all the time as if it is some higher truth.




I don't believe that intuition is some higher truth. I don't trust my intuition at all.

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People's "intuition" (whatever that is!) generally sucks.




I agree that, for some of us, we suffer from lack of intuition. But I think you might be confusing intuition with something that goes deeper and that is different from intuition.

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Let's look at a few things:

Vegas is the fastest growing city in the world because people's intuition doesn't work. I make most of my living pitting logic against intuition.

Not to make this yet another UFO thread, but as I pointed out: at least 95% of all reports are mistaken. Now here I may be commingling intuition with perceptions, but there certainly is some crossover.




This is different from that which goes deeper, and is even different still. This is more what would be called a hunch.

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How can women choose abusive spouses if their intuition is so good? Why did so many intelligent women fall for Ted Bundy, the notorious serial killer? How can otherwise successful men marry gold-diggers and think this love is genuine?




That is what goes deeper. Women choose abusive spouses not because they had bad intuition, but because they actually have "good" intuition. Women who pick abusive spouses are intuitively picking a spouse based on how they were treated by one of their parents who were abusive. It's called being "comfortably uncomfortable".

If a woman is abused as a child and this causes her to feel badly about herself (read "low self-esteem"), even though she won't consciously go out and look for a man who abuses her, she will intuitively pick a man who is has the appropriate personality that would indicate an abusive personality. This way, she can carry on the battle of her childhood: Trying to please the parent who finds her unsatisfactory.

She can now carry this "eager to please" attitude into adult relationships. She has found someone who will beat her so that she can continue to work on trying to win someone over, even though initially it was a parent who initiated this attitude in the first place.

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Why do con men thrive? How do Televangelists and cults survive?




This is also not intuition. This is people wanting to believe that they are going to go to heaven, or get a good deal.

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DO NOT TRUST your intuition. Your initial judgement (and mine) is generally highly flawed. Dig a little deeper. Have you been wrong before? Of course! But this time you are right? Nonsense.




I don't have good intuition about people. I generally trust everyone. But I am at least now 46 years old and have experienced enough of people in life that I can recognize patterns of behavior. I have also learned to "wait and see."


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Frog]
    #3782904 - 02/15/05 10:18 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Wait a sec, most people here are saying that intuition sucks, but intuition is the foundation of mathematics! Does that mean that math is false?


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    #3782957 - 02/15/05 10:35 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I like it
I work with it
I don't really trust anything but keep relaxing anyway.


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Swami]
    #3782991 - 02/15/05 10:45 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I don't see how you can assume that because MOST people do not have a highly developed sense of intuition...you can pass off intuition entirely.

MOST people are not of "high intelligence"...so does that mean we should ignore intelligence entirely? It doesn't seem to work that well for everyone...so should I just give up on using my intelligence?

Intuition is a VALID form of information gathering, it is NOT a decision-making function of the human brain. Logic and emotion are what we use to make DECISIONS, sensory input and intuition are how we gather INFORMATION with which to make the decisions. The simple fact is that MOST of the population DOES NOT USE intuition on a regular basis to gather information. Most humans are sensory animals, gathing their information about the world around them via DETAILS they gather through the five senses. A minority of humans use intuition as their primary information gathering method. Intuition is, in many ways, the opposite of specific sensory information: intuition overlooks the details in favor of "the big picture".

Now, in my life I have learned to TRUST my intuition. That does not mean that I base all my decisions on intuition alone...only that I have learned THROUGH EXPERIENCE that my intuition generally provides a strong indication of truth, or that I am "on the right path" towards truth. I use it most often when I simply do not have the time to sit back and think through the situation to its logical end. In cases where time is short, intuition provides me with an EXCELLENT nudge in the correct direction. Math exams are a prime example of an excellent area to use your intuition (if it is any good with math).

Is intuition ever wrong? Yes. Are human senses ever wrong? Definitely. Take a look at an optical illusion. Does that mean you should give up on using vision to gather information about the world around you? I certainly don't think so.

On the other hand, I think the term "intuition" gets thrown around a lot without people really understanding what it means. :wink:


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: trendal]
    #3783029 - 02/15/05 10:57 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

An intuition is something that you admit is true without being able to prove it.

For example, you know by intuition that two parallels can never touch, but this has never been proved, just accepted as a fact.

Or you know by intuition that the whole is larger than the part.


I don't think that Swami really meant the "female intuition" meaning of the word....or i hope not.

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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: exclusive58]
    #3783043 - 02/15/05 11:01 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

trouble with intuition is that most people think that it means detection of what WILL HAPPEN

wrong

it is detection of what IS happenning.


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: trendal]
    #3783258 - 02/15/05 12:05 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Take a look at an optical illusion. Does that mean you should give up on using vision to gather information about the world around you?

You surprise me with this false analogy. In an optical illusion, it is not the vision that is in error, it is the observer's interpretation of the data. They are totally distinct functions.


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: redgreenvines]
    #3783273 - 02/15/05 12:13 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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trouble with intuition is that most people think that it means detection of what WILL HAPPEN

wrong

it is detection of what IS happening.




Good one! Like the time I was driving somewhere and was just clear and mellow, and it popped into my head to take a different route so I did. On the way home, I took the regular way and there was a road closed detour. I would've been 20 minutes late to my appointment had I not listened to my inner guide.

It's a very quiet voice. If you are not calm or clear you will never hear it. It whispers in out of no where. Most of the time, when people do hear it, they ration or reason it away because it makes no sense based on the information you have at hand.

It made no sense for me to go what would've have been 5 minutes out of my way, but I did and it paid off.

It never fails. If you think it has, then it wasn't intuition. It's very difficult to become sensitive enough to know the difference between your own wishful thinking, your own fear based excuses for avoidance of something and this whisper from out of the blue.

I would like to be calm and quiet enough always that I live by it 24/7. I trust it that much. It's like the YOU up in the crows nest that sees everything your own eyes can't. When I get in period zones of living by it, life becomes so effortless and easy, its like having the Midas touch or being in a state of grace.

It comes out of the quiet, you have to be able to make yourself calm and quiet on the inside, no easy feet in today's world or my home.

This was a good reminder for me to get recent clutter out of my head.

Some people think on their fears and then feel that gut feeling and then say, hey, my gut told me not to do it. NO, your own fear thoughts told your gut to tell you not to do it. Some people start thinking wishfully then feel all confident then say, "my gut told me to go for it. NO you told your gut to tell you to go for it. None of that is intuition at work and why when you think it is it fails.


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Swami]
    #3783287 - 02/15/05 12:16 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Actually, it was interpretation that I was hinting at all along :wink:

"You" are not "your senses", just like "I" am not "my intuition". You interpret your senses, just as you interpret your intuition. Asking whether or not the SENSE/INTUITION itself is wrong is pointless, because all we can really talk about (or be aware of) is the interpretation of our senses/intuition.

On the other hand, could you prove in any way that it is the INTUITION itself that is at fault when it turns out to be "wrong", instead of the interpretation being wrong?


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3783412 - 02/15/05 12:48 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Here is another example of how it works. You are at a buffet. The broiled salmon looks really good, you love broiled salmon and feel that is what you should put on your plate. You pause looking around, look back at the salmon and the whisper comes that says, "choose the chicken". It doesn't look as good and you have chicken a lot and are tired of it. That "voice" never makes sense to listen to at the time.

Turns out later, those who ate the salmon got food poisoning.

Say, you were looking at the salmon and you love salmon. You would start feeling the gut feeling to choose the salmon because you want it. The voice comes and you reason it away by saying you have chicken all of the time and the salmon looks so good. You would start saying, I have the feeling to choose the salmon, it must be the right choice then later as you are in the bathroom puking it up, you would think your intuition failed you. NOT!

The odd thing I have experienced with that whisper is that it is one that makes no logical or rational or reasonable sense to follow "at the time" and is very easy to reason away for that reason.

It's no suprise that someone who reasons and rations through everything with logic, hasn't ever used it.

I like how Tren put it; It's not a thinking or feeling process we engage in. We either hear it, trust in it and act on it or we ignore it because of wishes or fears then reason it away and pay.


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3783506 - 02/15/05 01:06 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I find it works without a voice
you realize later that you actually must have used it.

intending to use it seems not to function due to hubris (false pride), and jsut not realizing what it is anyway, (alwasy a different channel it seems - jiggy got it with voices - often I just move quirky like)

again it is about what is happenning now, subliminally I guess


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: redgreenvines]
    #3783902 - 02/15/05 02:40 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Wrong word for "it". Its my voice, and its not even a worded voice. It comes as more like a block of knowing a bit of information without words or an appearant source.

"it" being difficult to elucidate its a no wonder people don't understand "it" well. I did what I could to help anyone hone in if they want to.


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: trendal]
    #3784589 - 02/15/05 05:01 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

You interpret your senses, just as you interpret your intuition. Asking whether or not the SENSE/INTUITION itself is wrong is pointless,

Is it? Everyone that I have shown the short/long line illusion to saw the same number of horizontal black lines showing that everyone's visual sense was in total accord. It was only in the determination of the lines being longer or shorter or the same length (judgement) that showed variation.

This clearly points to two separate functions.


Getting back to intuition, if it can't be measured or directly utilized except in hindsight, then it is unlikely to exist.

Let's take jiggy's example:

1. Jiggy takes an alternate route and coming back the regular way discovers there is no detour. She makes no proclamation or memory of her intuition being "right".

2. Jiggy takes an alternate route and coming back the regular way, there is a detour. She makes a proclamation and a memory of her intuition being "right".

3. Jiggy takes the regular route, sees the detour and is late for her appointment, then states to herself or her passengers, "I knew I should have gone another way."

4. Jiggy takes the regular route, there is no detour and she arrives on time for her appointment, and makes no memory and dismisses her previous intuitive feeling.

This is how the intuitive "game" is played. It is all post hoc "analysis" and I encounter all four variants EVERY SINGLE TIME I play poker.

My favorite is the player who throws away 5-8 offsuit in Hold'em and the board hits 5-5-8. The folder wriggles in his chair and can't wait to tell the whole table how he threw away a winning full house and that he had a "feeling" he should play the hand. Then when I ask him to play 5-8 offsuit next time, he looks at me funny and says "That would be stupid!" This is nothing but useless mental masturbation.


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Swami]
    #3784650 - 02/15/05 05:14 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

semantics or wank-its?
really more a turn of phrase
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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3784697 - 02/15/05 05:21 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

The broiled salmon looks really good, you love broiled salmon and feel that is what you should put on your plate. You pause looking around, look back at the salmon and the whisper comes that says, "choose the chicken". It doesn't look as good and you have chicken a lot and are tired of it. That "voice" never makes sense to listen to at the time.

Here is how it really works:

The chicken looks really good, you love chicken and feel that is what you should put on your plate. You pause looking around, look back at the chicken and the whisper comes that says, "choose the salmon". It doesn't look as good and you have salmon a lot and are tired of it. That "voice" never makes sense to listen to at the time.

Youe eat the salmon and come down with a case of salmonella:lol: poisoning, then state: " I knew I should have gone with the chicken!"


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Swami]
    #3784801 - 02/15/05 05:38 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

A long long time ago in a house party far far away someone was pulling cards from a deck and having me guess them. I was smashed. I thought really hard about each one. I got 2 in a row, then one with the suit wrong, then another.





It was neat.

Why I can never get a coin toss to favor me.. thats beyond me.


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    #3784833 - 02/15/05 05:44 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

swami
you would not be using regular intuition for that assessment now would you?


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Swami]
    #3784952 - 02/15/05 06:09 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Getting back to intuition, if it can't be measured or directly utilized except in hindsight, then it is unlikely to exist.

My example of intuition would be looking at a math problem and knowing the solution without "working it out". It certainly can be utilized directly and immediately.


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: trendal]
    #3785061 - 02/15/05 06:34 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

trendal is the problem 2+2 or 6 roots of a 12th degree polynomial?

If the first, than you are calling half the cerebral cortex and all its regular processes - what we usually call thinking, or induction and deduction -- intuition.

if the second, i'll bet you are still going to check your answer :wink:

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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Swami]
    #3785143 - 02/15/05 06:52 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I see how your looking at all this now swami. I agree that after the facts comments AND only receiving confirmation "after the fact" makes it something that can not be logically predetermined before hand.

THAT IS THE POINT! There is no knowing facts for sure before and even often afterwards sometime. You wouldn't know if following it kept you from crashing into a tree now would you? Can you use it to win the lottery? No way hose.

Its a hyper sensitivity we all have. Hyper meaning extra spatial. The information received does not come from any cues, facts thoughts or feelings transpiring in the apparent space. It comes from out of no where. That's why I said , it never makes logical sense. That's also why most people disregard it or reason it away.

It too often gets confused with feelings we ourselves generate through wishful thinking or fearful thoughts. It's like Tren said, not coming from yourself or the apparent environment.

Yes, the day I took a different route, I had no idea why I was doing it. I told myself after I decided to roll with it that the change of scenery would be refreshing. Had I taken the different route back home, I never would've even known about the detour that could've made me late.

Does any of that really matter? People run late all of the time and some people consciously choose to take different routes for a change of scenery.

I did say that something about moving with it puts you in a state of ease and  grace. Rushing and coming in to appointments late with excuses is not graceful nor is puking from food poisoning. The one who chose the chicken at the banquet could've left early and never even have known that those who ate the salmon became sick. So what?

Choosing to move with intuition or being intune is not something you do to say "look at how clever I am to avoid potential problems". It's more of a going unnoticed mode.

It's more like, you are moving through the day and your thoughts and emotions are not running you hither and dither. You are tuned into some stream or flow that is gliding you along in ease. You may even look to others as if you are making non sensical decisions and unobvious choices yet, you move with quiet grace.

I don't even think it is something anyone initially sets out to "use". I think as you work to tune out the noise of life and your own head and emotions and tune into the silence, you just sort of fall into it and discover that you are being guided without putting any real predetermination into your movements.

Any idea how strange and odd that in itself feels, to move without having reasons and only trust in something so subtle if you sneezed you'd miss it. We are not raised that way.

To be sensitive to it, you have to set yourself completely aside. You have to quiet down all thought, all emotion. You have to be free from future expectation and free from past memories of how similar situations went. You have to be removed from all calculating, analyzing and strategising.

This is the most foreign space to create for yourself and is probably why I am not in it as often as I would like to be. There is ZERO sense of control. Its as if you get into the back seat and let a ghost do the driving for you. Look at how many here said they trust in this ghost self though.

I like to think I am in control so it is strange for me to give it over to a ghost self. I like calculating and analyzing and strategising. Being in hyper sensitive space feels weak and yet, it's when I find I am in no need of added strength because problems cease.

I must have brain damage because I like solving and overcoming problems. I move out of that space to create problems so I can have something to do to entertain myself. Were we meant to live fa la la problem free, content and graceful? I dunno.

It takes some getting use to and I guess its not my comfort level because I keep moving myself out of it.

To feel like a raging bull in a china shop or like you out stategised your opponent to a victorious win, or conquered the mountain in the sleet and snow is a rush.  Those feelings are of raw power and it feels good. Intuitive power is so subtle it feels weak and so dismissive it goes unnoticed in actions.

I don't think the ego likes it as the ego has to get out of the way.

It's hard for someone like myself to let go and give in and give way. Yet when I do, it's like living with a secret that nobody but you knows and you slip through life like you went stealth.

The other stuff is all ego crap, but so what. I like knowing I have choices. Wonder if that is the ego loss state people talk about achieving.

Hahahahah Ding ding ding ding. What you guys have been blathering about is what I know as being in stealth mode. Fucking semantics!

Skorp, Fireworks and def,

I won't be arguing ego loss with you anymore. BIG SMILES here! Now I know what state you are all talking about. It took a swami anti-intuition post for me to put the two together. Now I have to go review all my old arguments and apply them to what I know about stealth mode and see if how they hold. This will be fun.

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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3785201 - 02/15/05 07:02 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

ok let us say
rational thought uses straight line connections where possible
and intuitive thought uses fractal curves.
well then rational thought is actually using very short fractal curves that appear to be straight line segments but is really a very limited intuition since the lines would curve into fractal forms if extended.
BUT
actual thought uses no lines or curves - it is mere association of images memory and sensation (by simmilarity and abstraction) so this discussion is a silly modelling excercise:
Everything is merely associative thought, with plenty of fractal degeneration of the primary images and incoming signals.
(I guess that means its all intuition of an associative nature.)
It's probabilistical no matter how seriously or conservatively you look at it.


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3785671 - 02/15/05 08:26 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Jigster, a decade or so ago, a statistician and researcher attempted to check out the sort of feeling that you are describing. What he did was to look at every major mass transit accident (busses, trains, airplanes, boats) over a 10 year period. He was attempting to see if the cancellations or seat vacancies were higher than normal to show that people "sensed" something was amiss.

Now, I may be mixing premonition with intuition, but the way they are described, it seems similar to me.

Anyway, the summation is that there was NO DIFFERENCE as would be expected in the causal world-view which seems to be the "correct" one.


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Swami]
    #3786084 - 02/15/05 09:15 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

instinctive knowing without rationality??

how?


that's like saying you're a fortune teller

like cleo...


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: kaiowas]
    #3786103 - 02/15/05 09:19 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Jiggy I have 2 questions about your above post i'd like you to help me with,

1. Why couldn't intuition help someone with the lottery?

2. Why is it that it is never wrong?


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Swami]
    #3786186 - 02/15/05 09:30 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

It's more of a different state of being and the info comes as a "knowing". I can't say feelings are a part of what I am describing. Feelings are out of the picture actually.

That's why I say when people who say "I felt it , how could it have been wrong?" is not "it". What they felt was their fear thoughts or wishful thinking related to the moment or future event.

Anyway, I'm not surprised by that research. Most people are not in tune and even if they are, they reason the nonsensical "ideas" that pop in away because they never fit the plan.

I am hooked up but am not always in the calm quiet zone and listening and even if, I reason away a shit load too because I WANT to do it my way, stubborn ass I am sometimes. If I had an intuitive drop come in guiding me to cancel a flight, train, bus, or boat I know I would reason it away because I have reason to get to where I am going and want to get there.

That's major planning stuff and I couldn't reason it away to my husband without a damn good rational, logical reason.

My friend has a freaky psychic family and she has a brother who has dreams that come to pass. Guess that falls under premonitions. He dreamnt of a flight he was to take crashing. He told his mom. She is pretty hooked up. She asked him how he planned to get to the airport. He said he was going to drive. She told him that she would drive him to change the events to get him on a different event line.

His plane ended up entering bad weather and had to land at a different airport 200 miles away from is destination stop. That family is full of stories like that.

Swami, I understand why this topic gets little attention from most people in life. Like I said, it requires giving up so much and is so subtle if you sneeze you'll miss it, why bother.

I didn't jump into this thread to talk anyone into believing in it. Even for me, its a subtle experience and that has nothing to do with my beliefs. I just have experiences that may or may not mean anything other then the meaning I give them. I jumped in because I got enthused relating to stuff Red said and now I am here.

I am not sure myself what is happening when I notice the difference. For that reason, I did appreciate hearing anything anyone else said on it. If you find others saying things that match your experiences, its interesting and comparing notes is fun.

I am mostly glad to understand what those guys have been meaning by ego loss now finally.


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: oceansize]
    #3786291 - 02/15/05 09:45 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Jiggy I have 2 questions about your above post i'd like you to help me with,

1. Why couldn't intuition help someone with the lottery?

2. Why is it that it is never wrong?




To answer one based on my experience with it, it is a spontaneous dropping in of information beyond your control or quest for it. It happens out of no where for no apparent reason. So how could you use it for the lottery? if you figure out how please let me know.

When hindsight does allow for you to see why it steered you in a more desirable or correct direction it would appear that it knows something more right then you would've known prior to it dropping in out of nowhere.

That's all I can say for now. I wish I understood it all better myself.

And kaio,

What does a fraud like Ms Cleo have to do with someone trusting THEIR OWN inner guidance, called intuition by some, because they have learned too?


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3786355 - 02/15/05 09:55 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

instinctive knowing without rational thought is like telling the future..like cleo.

you can deduce something, or give an educated guess, but instinctive knowing?


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: kaiowas]
    #3786387 - 02/15/05 10:00 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

If miss Cleo is a proven self admitting fraud, how can doing something she can't do be doing like her?

Of course, how silly of me to consider something as outlandish as instintive knowing. Fairies must've taught my cat to use the litter box. Maybe my kitten took an educated guess that it would be a good place to take a pee :confused:


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3786461 - 02/15/05 10:13 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

is it a knowing of using the cat box or a liking of the cat box?

is it the texture and fragrance of whats in the litter, or is it the object itself?

does the catbox leave an impression on the cat?

has anyone ever had to train their cat to go to the bathroom in a catbox.

i dunno, maybe I wa a little too quick, but when I think of intuition maybe this definition would be better suited

"immediate apprehension or cognition; the power or faculty of attaining to direct knowledge or cognition without rational thought and inference"

does the cat suspect that the box should be used and later finds out it's true?


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: kaiowas]
    #3786625 - 02/15/05 10:41 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Did you get that definition from the dictionary? It works for me.

The cat stuff was funny! :thumbup: :lol: :wink:

I loved, "does the cat box leave an impression on the cat?" the best!


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3786638 - 02/15/05 10:43 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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gettinjiggywithit said:
Did you get that definition from the dictionary? It works for me.

The cat stuff was funny! :thumbup: :lol: :wink:

I loved, "does the cat box leave an impression on the cat?" the best!




it was meant to be funny.  your intuition serves you well :wink:


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: kaiowas]
    #3787410 - 02/16/05 12:37 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3787509 - 02/16/05 12:58 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Its a hyper sensitivity we all have. Hyper meaning extra spatial. The information received does not come from any cues, facts thoughts or feelings transpiring in the apparent space. It comes from out of no where. That's why I said , it never makes logical sense. That's also why most people disregard it or reason it away.
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It's like Tren said, not coming from yourself or the apparent environment.
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Choosing to move with intuition or being intune is not something you do to say "look at how clever I am to avoid potential problems". It's more of a going unnoticed mode.
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It's more like, you are moving through the day and your thoughts and emotions are not running you hither and dither. You are tuned into some stream or flow that is gliding you along in ease. You may even look to others as if you are making non sensical decisions and unobvious choices yet, you move with quiet grace.
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I don't even think it is something anyone initially sets out to "use". I think as you work to tune out the noise of life and your own head and emotions and tune into the silence, you just sort of fall into it and discover that you are being guided without putting any real predetermination into your movements.
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This is the most foreign space to create for yourself and is probably why I am not in it as often as I would like to be. There is ZERO sense of control. Its as if you get into the back seat and let a ghost do the driving for you.
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I like to think I am in control so it is strange for me to give it over to a ghost self. I like calculating and analyzing and strategising. Being in hyper sensitive space feels weak and yet, it's when I find I am in no need of added strength because problems cease.
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I must have brain damage because I like solving and overcoming problems. I move out of that space to create problems so I can have something to do to entertain myself. Were we meant to live fa la la problem free, content and graceful? I dunno.
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It takes some getting use to and I guess its not my comfort level because I keep moving myself out of it.
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To feel like a raging bull in a china shop or like you out stategised your opponent to a victorious win, or conquered the mountain in the sleet and snow is a rush.  Those feelings are of raw power and it feels good. Intuitive power is so subtle it feels weak and so dismissive it goes unnoticed in actions.
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I don't think the ego likes it as the ego has to get out of the way.
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It's hard for someone like myself to let go and give in and give way. Yet when I do, it's like living with a secret that nobody but you knows and you slip through life like you went stealth.
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Now I know what state you are all talking about. It took a swami anti-intuition post for me to put the two together. Now I have to go review all my old arguments and apply them to what I know about stealth mode and see if how they hold. This will be fun.
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Thanks Swami! :cool: :kiss: :hug:




Wow....  Besides the kissing and hugging at the end, I would say that my evening was pretty much ruled by a lot of what you just said here (I did edit a little out)....    Kinda~ scary....  :eek:   


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #3788131 - 02/16/05 04:08 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I said what I said
and I meant what I meant
everyone's crazy
100%


-----seriously things are waaaay mixed up now:

intuition is about thinking and accepting what are apparently non-linear steps (all thoughts are nonlinear though sequence recall seems linear)

it is not about precognition.

instinct is what you are born with - hardwire.

3 separate things (4 if you really thing linear thought and the more fractally open intuition are different)

is it semantics or just clarity?


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #3788532 - 02/16/05 09:03 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

You scare easily PhantomCat!

BOO! :santaclaus:

BTW, I'm a "crazy" fun lovin female, one of the few ballsy enough to hang with a bunch of men here. :tongue: I do things like hug and kiss people when I feel happy and appreciative.  :wink:


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: Swami]
    #3788743 - 02/16/05 10:16 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I fully understand your thread. Realizing that most all your thoughts are not logical and to think in a logical manner one must be educated in logic. Also to understand that what i brain dishes out is not always true, as if dealing with dillusional thinking it's hard sometimes to think clearly and logical.

So basically what i learned from this thread is that it takes time to bring forth the clear thoughts and do not always trust your intution.

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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: kaiowas]
    #3788749 - 02/16/05 10:18 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Kaiowas - But what if you are all excited that you are buying a brand new car and you think that this car is perfect for you. But instead you could of bought a used car for cheaper and save a lot on the bills.

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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: oceansize]
    #3788754 - 02/16/05 10:21 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

If the first, than you are calling half the cerebral cortex and all its regular processes - what we usually call thinking, or induction and deduction -- intuition.

Well yes, actually, right-brain functions are more or less what I refer to when I say "intuition".

Or did you think I was speaking of some magical quality of unknown origin? :wink:

if the second, i'll bet you are still going to check your answer

Well no, actually, that was my point. "Getting" the answer without working it out or "checking" your answer.


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Re: Trusting your intuition [Re: trendal]
    #3788984 - 02/16/05 11:32 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

used car is seldom cheaper per year than lease of new one
less satisfying too


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