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Please humor another n00b..
    #3764903 - 02/11/05 02:29 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Hello all,

    First I should say great site....wonderful resource. I've been nonstop reading for a good week now, and I've decided I'm going to be growing my own, using the PFTEK method. :smile: Despite all this reading I still have a few questions but first....I managed to come up with this after all my research. It's a list of supplies and drawings of some of the things I'll need (e.g. a TiT incubator :wink: )

Without further adieu..

http://psilence.spymac.net/gawd.JPG [1024x780 done in ms paint if you couldn't already tell]

(I know, I didn't draw the jars in the incubator... :P )

If anyone sees any spottiness or can recommend anything else like brands or parts I've missed, I'd be grateful. But, I digress..my questions:

Incubator Q's

1. Does the top container have to be partially submerged in the water? I was using this post as a reference http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/3761895/an/0/page/1 but it isn't terribly specific on water level.

2. Should I use something else besides rubber stoppers? Being so close to the heat source I'm afraid they'll melt.

3. Do I need to sterilize the rubber containers at all? And if so, with what?

4. Is there a minimum height the stoppers should lift the top container away from the heater? (If they're even necessary, I may just be able to buy a pair of containers that fit in such a way as that post, where the top is far enough away from the bottom on it's own.)

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Inoculation Q's

1. Instead of taping the 4 holes in the lid of the jar, would it be wise to tape a coffee filter over the top instead? This way I figure they can get more of a gas exchange with less exposure to contaminants. I may be way off base here though so.... :confused:

That's all I have at the moment really.....I do plan on updating as I come up with more though. Thanks for putting up with another n00b :wink: I tried my best to search the board and google for information, and I hope that kinda shines through my dumb questions.

Thanks again,
-psilence


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Re: Please humor another n00b.. [Re: psilence]
    #3765071 - 02/11/05 03:14 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

you can get good results and keep things simple. i make jars and do not tape the holes, just tinfoil. next i put them is a small thin cardboard box and put them against the heating register for incubation. then for a fruiting chamber i put wet perlite in a rubbermaid tub, i directly set the cakes on the perlite. i cut two sqaure holes in the lid and duct taped cd case lids over the holes. i feel this has saved me alot of unnessacary money and time and i get great results.


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Re: Please humor another n00b.. [Re: SamhainJ]
    #3765227 - 02/11/05 03:53 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

"1. Does the top container have to be partially submerged in the water?"

id get as much water in there as possible without making a mess.
take note that as u have no currents it will take a long time for the tub to got to max temp.

"Should I use something else besides rubber stoppers? "

naww looks fine to me. the guide assumes a perfect fitting set of tubs
that leave enuff room for the heater when stacked...


"3. Do I need to sterilize the rubber containers at all? And if so, with what?"

just rub em down with some alcohol and maybe put some bleech in the water to keep that clean...

"4. Is there a minimum height the stoppers should lift the top container away from the heater?"

id say about half an inch should be plenty.
those heaters usualy come with a holder with suction cups. id use that as a guide.
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"1. Instead of taping the 4 holes in the lid of the jar, would it be wise to tape a coffee filter over the top instead? "

thatll prolly work fine. most peaple use polyfill (the stuff used in aquarium filters) jammed down the hole. others use surgical tape.
personaly i just leave it open and enclose the whole jar in a sandwich baggie.


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    #3765240 - 02/11/05 03:59 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Please humor another n00b.. [Re: ShroomGuy86]
    #3765618 - 02/11/05 08:19 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Bleach solution? Mmmk...as to the alcohol, could I just use the wipes to sterilize the aquarium as well as the rubber containers?

Thanks for all your help guys, it's appreciated :wink:

-psilence


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Re: Please humor another n00b.. [Re: psilence]
    #3765968 - 02/11/05 11:17 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

yup... just make sure u let it all evaporate before u put water in and stuff... anyways at this stagesterility is less of a concern.
if u want to be extra clean u might want to mix in 0.3% h2o2 with your water (in the fruit chamber)

and oh yeah i forgot to mention that there needs to be air exchange in your fruiting chamber to let out the co2...
fanning dayly should be ok...


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Re: Please humor another n00b.. [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #3766030 - 02/11/05 11:48 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Vertigo6911 said:
take note that as u have no currents it will take a long time for the tub to got to max temp.





Take note that this is not true. The heat source will create a "current".
It may take some time to get the temperature to level off, but that is not the reason why...


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Re: Please humor another n00b.. [Re: psilence]
    #3766066 - 02/11/05 12:01 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

uuh... k.. so what is?


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Re: Please humor another n00b.. [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #3767286 - 02/11/05 05:29 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Do both the incubation / fruiting stages need gas exchange? I've heard one but not the other....just curious.

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Re: Please humor another n00b.. [Re: psilence]
    #3767287 - 02/11/05 05:30 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

fruiting does, incubation sorta does but nearly as much


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Re: Please humor another n00b.. [Re: Yarry]
    #3767319 - 02/11/05 05:39 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks Yarry :smile:

While it's still fresh in my mind, I was wondering if it was better to birth the cakes straight onto the perlite in your fruiting chamber or to  use the lids from the jars and fill them with vermiculite? I've also heard that both ways....hmm.

-psilence


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Re: Please humor another n00b.. [Re: psilence]
    #3767327 - 02/11/05 05:40 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

i just put tin foil underneath my cakes. the lids would work fine too.


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Re: Please humor another n00b.. [Re: Yarry]
    #3767356 - 02/11/05 05:46 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

incubation needs only a tiny amount of gas exchange.
basicly the air inside the jars is enuff but nearthe end when the co2 builds up the growth starts to slow down. for this reason some peaple turn over their jars so the co2 will sink to the bottem exposing the underside of the cake to some more o2...

i also use tinfoil to place my cakes on but it shouldent be neccecery...


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