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Rye water problem
    #3764199 - 02/10/05 11:14 PM (12 years, 21 days ago)

I'm having a helluva problem getting my water content right. It's really frustrating the hell outta me. I tried the Tek from Anno's page and it was a little to wet. I did Magash's tek and it is sitting in my incubator now but it is dry.

I have 2 questions
#1. what is the best way to add water to an incubating jar?
#2. does anyone have a picture or 4 on correct water content in a rye jar?


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Re: Rye water problem [Re: Damn_Skippy]
    #3765054 - 02/11/05 03:12 AM (12 years, 21 days ago)

>#2. does anyone have a picture or 4 on correct water content in a rye jar?

On the right:



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Re: Rye water problem [Re: Anno]
    #3765620 - 02/11/05 08:19 AM (12 years, 21 days ago)

thanks Anno.

#1. what is the best way to add water to an incubating jar?


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Re: Rye water problem [Re: Damn_Skippy]
    #3765669 - 02/11/05 08:49 AM (12 years, 21 days ago)

do you just add water to dry rye as you buy it or you keep rye in water 24 hours, then rinse water and add new water before pc? many soak for 24 hours because of the germination thing but you seem not to care about it, why?


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Re: Rye water problem [Re: lepiota]
    #3765864 - 02/11/05 10:30 AM (12 years, 21 days ago)

there are 2 different schools of thought when it comes to preparing rye.

#1. Anno and many others measure out the correct proportions of rye and water and PC then done.

#2. Magash wrote a tek on this. He soaks then simmers adds it to the jars. PC's it. done... more people follow this tek than the first one

I did it both ways. My first try was the former and it turned out a little wet, and my second try was the later and it turned out dry.


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Re: Rye water problem [Re: Damn_Skippy]
    #3765907 - 02/11/05 10:49 AM (12 years, 21 days ago)

i tried magash tek, i soaked 24 hours, rinsed water, added new water, simmered for 1 hour, rinse again, put in jars and pc.
result: they increased their volume (even if they had already been cooked!) so they turned out tight in the jars and i couldn't shake them. one of the jar contamined with green mold, the other is colonizing very very slowly because:
1) i can't shake it
2) i have no heated incubator
3) lids have no air filter and there's no gas exchange.
next time i'll try anno's tek and get an incubator and filters, anno's tek looks much easier but i think you really have to be careful about the volume increase of rye while you pc it. how much unstirred rye in one jar then? 1/3 full or less?


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Re: Rye water problem [Re: lepiota]
    #3765922 - 02/11/05 10:53 AM (12 years, 21 days ago)

they have to be exact proportions... Anno's grain page is here

Pints
Rye = 100g or 125ml
Water = 110g or 110ml

Quarts
Rye = 200g or 250ml
water = 200g or 200ml


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Re: Rye water problem [Re: Damn_Skippy]
    #3765938 - 02/11/05 11:01 AM (12 years, 21 days ago)

right but... my jars are metric! :biggrin:
i will do the maths...
what about the gypsum thing? what's that for? PH correction maybe?


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Re: Rye water problem [Re: lepiota]
    #3765946 - 02/11/05 11:05 AM (12 years, 21 days ago)

straight from Anno's grain page
1/4 qt(quart) = ?pt(pint) = 1cp(cup) = 236ml(milliliter) = 236cc(cubic centimeter)

gypsum? got me on that one


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Re: Rye water problem [Re: Damn_Skippy]
    #3766207 - 02/11/05 12:44 PM (12 years, 21 days ago)

>and my second try was the later and it turned out dry.

Then you didnt simmer long enough. Kernals should burst a bit. If having trouble..mix in some verm.

Grain straining AND STEAMING. If you dont rinse it ever (I never do), the excess water will steam off from the top and drip off from the bottom..you just toss in this giant strainer:


Then add verm (and WBS) and mix it up and you get this:




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Re: Rye water problem [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3766215 - 02/11/05 12:48 PM (12 years, 21 days ago)

yeah exactly what I didn't do right. I didn't simmer long enough. I saw some of the grain open up, and I thought it was done.

preciate it


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Re: Rye water problem [Re: Damn_Skippy]
    #3766247 - 02/11/05 12:57 PM (12 years, 21 days ago)

scat, do you simmer your millet with your rye?

also, do you find that by not rinsing the rye you allow it to dry to the proper water content level?

I simmer my rye, then i rinse with water into the strainer. I'm having lots of problems with wet spot (mycobags) and I don't know what to do. I let the strainer sit for an hour and i still end up getting too many failed jars. I do work in front of a flowhood and I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong.


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Re: Rye water problem [Re: Damn_Skippy]
    #3766268 - 02/11/05 01:00 PM (12 years, 21 days ago)

MYCO SUPPLY SELL RYE GRAINS AND THEY SAY
Rye - 200g (=7.0 oz = 250 ml = 1.0 cup)
Distilled Water - 220g (= 7.8 oz = 220 ml = 0.92 cup)


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Re: Rye water problem [Re: Damn_Skippy]
    #3766275 - 02/11/05 01:02 PM (12 years, 21 days ago)

Quote:

gypsum? got me on that one




Its used to prevent clumping and sticking together of grains. Helps ya shake the grains


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Re: Rye water problem [Re: Tweexican]
    #3766290 - 02/11/05 01:07 PM (12 years, 21 days ago)

>scat, do you simmer your millet with your rye?
Yes, the WBS and rye are soaked and simmered in my PC pot (the bowl next to it is rye grass which I didnt simmer this time):


>also, do you find that by not rinsing the rye you allow it to dry to the proper water content level?
Yes, RogerRabbit (the coffee tek guy and the guy who fruiting mushrooms from a bible, money, a bra, a qp of white widdow ect) mentioned this is how he does it, never rinse..from the bag, to the pot, cover with water..simmer in the same water..strain and let it steam off. Then mixing in a bit of verm is the final touch for water content.

>I simmer my rye, then i rinse with water into the strainer. I'm having lots of problems with wet spot (mycobags) and I don't know what to do. I let the strainer sit for an hour and i still end up getting too many failed jars. I do work in front of a flowhood and I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong.

I do all my grain to grain transfers open air in my bathroom. Perhaps it could be from somewhere else..not flame sterilizing the needle or wiping it with alcohol or not wiping the jars with alcohol when you inject or not PCing enough, or soaking long enough..if its your water content though...try not rinsing it and toss the grain around in your strainer as it steams. When the top gets dried..toss it somemore to bring water to the top of the strainer. Or if you do rinse it, add some verm to it before loading it in jars. Dry verm, just enough untill the water content looks right.


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Re: Rye water problem [Re: Civ]
    #3766295 - 02/11/05 01:08 PM (12 years, 21 days ago)

well, my rye was from mycosupply, and I did 200/200 and it was pretty damn close but a little on the wet side. so, 200/220 is way to wet, but test a jar if you'd like. I'd like to see what you come up with


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Re: Rye water problem [Re: Damn_Skippy]
    #3766334 - 02/11/05 01:20 PM (12 years, 21 days ago)

I found 200/200 was too dry when I did it.

It will always depend on the grain though..different source of even the same type of grain will have different water contents from the start (they arent completly dry, usually like 20% water, and different water holding abilities. Test jars need to be made to figure out the perfect water content. I believe Annos site mentioned that :smile:


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Re: Rye water problem [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3766483 - 02/11/05 02:15 PM (12 years, 20 days ago)

i have tried magash's soak, simmer, and pc rye technique five times, each meeting with decisive failure--the rye is always too dry. on my very first attempt i put together one jar via anno's method, and although it came out a wet clumpy mass, my subsequent failures using magash's tek have led me to return to the anno method. thus, i just prepared five quart jars of rye, each with 1 cup of rye. i measured out 150 ml for one jar, 175 ml for another, 200 ml for two jars, and 225 for another. i don't have a graduated cylinder, just a liquid measuring cup, so the measurements are less than precise (or is that accurate) but i am hoping at least one of my jars comes out looking like anno's. if this doesn't work i don't know what i'll do...if i can't get the moisture content correct in rye i see little reason to spend the money to try to get it right in wbs or popcorn, and i don't want to spend the money to buy pint jars and brf & vermiculite. so...wish me luck, cause i don't have the time for another failure! i'll let everyone know (like anyone cares) what the results are of my last experiment.


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Re: Rye water problem [Re: laughingbuddha]
    #3766491 - 02/11/05 02:19 PM (12 years, 20 days ago)

yeah I'd like to know. I'm moving to winter wheat berries just cus it is really easy for me to get. so I think the soak and simmer route is going to work until I figure out exact water content


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Re: Rye water problem [Re: laughingbuddha]
    #3766507 - 02/11/05 02:24 PM (12 years, 20 days ago)

Thats WAY to much variation. For 1 cup of rye you'd want to keep it between 190 and 220ml of water. Your water content if close will only be only a few ml off. The 200 and 225 would the only close ones but thats such a huge difference in water. You need to do like 195ccs, 200ccs, 205cc,s 210ccs, 215ccs, and 220ccs.


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