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try a new strain
    #3755365 - 02/09/05 11:51 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

after my partially successful experience with ecuador, i'd like to try growing a different strain now. what would you guys suggest? i'm looking for something easy and fast to grow on rye or millet, and also easy to grow outdoor with straw+horsedung in my climate (hardiness zone 9)...


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Re: try a new strain [Re: lepiota]
    #3755388 - 02/09/05 11:56 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

go with cambodians, I've always liked them and the seem to do well in warmer weather when fruiting


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Re: try a new strain [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #3755504 - 02/09/05 12:29 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I'd also suggest Z's.

I'm sure you'll get a number of suggestions, I'm sure you know you cant tell much from others experiences, because you'll have different ones..but hopfully you'll get some ideas.

Z's were a nice yeilder and pinned easily in my always warm fruiting chamber. I could see Cambos doing well too (they did) but I wasnt impressed with the yield. Could have been my spores though, you never can tell.


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Re: try a new strain [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3755705 - 02/09/05 01:18 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

thank you, but i have to confess that i don't have an incubator, and i will incubate at room temp (65-70?F). it takes ages to reach full colonization but it worked in my first project (pf tek, will it be the same with grains?), so since i have no heating system i'm probably looking for a strain that performs well in the cold! and since i live in a hardiness 9 zone i will be facing the opposite problem (too hot/dry) while fruiting outdoor. in conclusion, i'm looking for a very "tolerant" strain!


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Re: try a new strain [Re: lepiota]
    #3755786 - 02/09/05 01:40 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Performing well in the heat speaks of fruiting, not colonizing. I dont think the strain will respond so differently from another just by cooler colonization temps. Either of the starins we mentioned may do that though since they are both fast colonizers IME. Brazls may be worth looking into as well...fastest colonizer Ive grown yet and easy pinning too. I ended up with a high abort count though. Plenty of mature shrooms..but just SO many pins that alot aborted and made it tough and time consuming to harvest the casing. Potency was also less then the others but this may change with you, you'll be giving them very different conditions then I was so you may not get the downfalls I did indoor on rye.


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Re: try a new strain [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3755821 - 02/09/05 01:52 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

thank you scat! but since the place i'm ordering from has no z's nor brazilians in stock i'll probably opt for cambodians (prisoner's advice). other options include f+, orissa, gt, huautla, gulf coast, australians and many other less known strains; what about those? vendors descriptions don't always match. maybe a "strain guide" in the shroomery faq would help, but i guess it would be too difficult (if not impossible) to write...


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Re: try a new strain [Re: lepiota]
    #3755890 - 02/09/05 02:10 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

a cube, is a cube, is a cube. What grows well for me might be horrible for you.

Your syringe or print will have genetics that are formed under the conditions of the supplier's growing environment. If you are getting a "cultured" strain, that strain will probably respond well to the coniditions that were set up by the grower.

In the end, there are so many factors that decide what the outcome will be in your given environment that untill further (CONTROLLED) studies are done on p. cubensis, they will remain cubes with different names.

Imagine. Growing GT's and not being thrilled. Go to your friends house to see the same GT's...but the trip they gave you was SOOO much nicer...

Now what? Kind of takes the concern out of picking the "right" strain from a supplier.

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Re: try a new strain [Re: lepiota]
    #3755946 - 02/09/05 02:25 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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lepiota said:
thank you scat! but since the place i'm ordering from has no z's nor brazilians in stock i'll probably opt for cambodians (prisoner's advice). other options include f+, orissa, gt, huautla, gulf coast, australians and many other less known strains; what about those? vendors descriptions don't always match. maybe a "strain guide" in the shroomery faq would help, but i guess it would be too difficult (if not impossible) to write...




Right, it would be impossible, doobie explained it well.

Good luck! If your going for big, think Orissa's too. Nice strain, fruited decently in the heat and colonized fairly quickly. They were pretty average when I grew them but some of the biggests cubies ever are Orissa's they say. Outdoors they may perform really well.

I think you'd be happy with whatever you go with, just make sure you get pictures and have some fun in this vunderful hobby.


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How I do grain (old still good tips)
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Casing layer colonization and overlay


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Re: try a new strain [Re: ADoobie]
    #3755971 - 02/09/05 02:33 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

you're right, there are no scientific studies about different strains, moreover these studies would suffer from the method chosen (growing all strains under same parameters would advantage only some strains, growing all strains under THEIR OWN optimum parameters would make such a study useless). i know i'm asking a scientifically unanswerable question, but i was not looking for a scientific anwer, just an opinion about your own experiences and what you've read on this forum in the past. i think that there must be a reason if some strains are more popular than others, and i was asking what strains are more popular for grain culture, room temperature incubation and outdoor growimg on poo+straw.


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Re: try a new strain [Re: lepiota]
    #3755983 - 02/09/05 02:39 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

all cubes are easy mazatapecs are radical so are malabars and purto ricains


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Re: try a new strain [Re: lepiota]
    #3756009 - 02/09/05 02:47 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

The cambodians are a great choice.
I really like them alot.

I'd also add the F+ to your choice.
The F+ produces very nice fruits...very meaty.

If you do a little searching you will find some descriptions to different strains.

The Gulf Coast is a good strain to compare to say the Cambodian for example.
You will notice that they are much different trip.

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Re: try a new strain [Re: onetime]
    #3756032 - 02/09/05 02:54 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Scatman's got some good advice there. I really like the Orissa's. Orissa India are my favorite strrain. They are not fast colonizers, but they are prolific fruiters and potent too. The fruit is nice and dense and of decent size. Later flushes produce monsters. First flush produces the best in terms of flush size but they are of average size. Many mutants on the first flush but it's not a problem except for visually and the strain straightens out from there on out.

Z strains are fast and fruit well, but the fruits are very light and hollow and don't produce well in terms of weight if that's what you're after. You get alot of mushrooms, but it takes a lot of mushrooms to equal the same weight as other strains. Also the potency was not quite what I was hoping for.

Cambos are extremely fast too. Fruits very very well IME. Potency though was very weak. Weakest from all the strains I've come across. I had the small fruiting cambo strain. The pic in my avatar is cambo.

F+ is a very good strain. Very fast and aggressive and very potent. Does very well on grain only. Produces nice meaty fruits dens fruits that give good weight, as does the Orissa.

I've had the pleasure of working with all those mentioned. My recommendation is to go with the F+, OI, or Z. The first two, F+ and OI, I strongly recommend.


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Re: try a new strain [Re: KlingonFromUranus]
    #3756072 - 02/09/05 03:06 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

give Golden Teachers a shot


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Re: try a new strain [Re: SHiZNO]
    #3756774 - 02/09/05 05:41 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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give Golden Teachers a shot




Golden teachers are an excellent strain. Good potency and the fruits are nice and weighty. Doesn't fruit as prolifically as some other strains, but the fruits are meaty and weighty which is really the most important factor if going for wieght.


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