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OfflineProsgeopax
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Are you anti-abortion, but okay with 'collateral damage?'
    #3751711 - 02/08/05 06:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I am just curious if any one reading this is anti-abortion, but sees it as morally justified to drop bombs and inflict collateral upon the innocent (including the unborn in wombs) in far away lands. Could somebody please explain how they can be against one (supposed) evil yet for another? What is your rationalization? If you call yourself a 'Christian,' how do you reconcile the apparent hypocrisy of your stand with the teachings of Jesus Christ?


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Re: Are you anti-abortion, but okay with 'collateral damage?' [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #3751748 - 02/08/05 06:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

*sigh*

It is obvious that you are relatively new here else you would understand by now that internal consistency and logic are not necessary prerequisites for any belief system.

Adopted ideas are NOT meant to be questioned, merely accepted.


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OfflineProsgeopax
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Re: Are you anti-abortion, but okay with 'collateral damage?' [Re: Swami]
    #3751757 - 02/08/05 06:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Oh... :blush: sorry.


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Re: Are you anti-abortion, but okay with 'collateral damage?' [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #3751781 - 02/08/05 06:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Well, now you know. Don't let it happen again.  :grin:


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Re: Are you anti-abortion, but okay with 'collateral damage?' [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #3751784 - 02/08/05 06:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Please ignore swami's criticism and cynical and pessimistic views.

I agree that if you believe murder/killing is wrong that ALL murder/killing should be wrong by logic.There should be no exceptions.


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Re: Are you anti-abortion, but okay with 'collateral damage?' [Re: UnenlightenedOne]
    #3751832 - 02/08/05 06:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

still think, if you can make life as you please.. why cant you take it?  :confused: :thumbup:

He he :sun:


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Re: Are you anti-abortion, but okay with 'collateral damage?' [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #3751848 - 02/08/05 06:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Its quite simple, the power hungry follow the money, and the sheep follow the herd!


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Re: Are you anti-abortion, but okay with 'collateral damage?' [Re: Swami]
    #3751851 - 02/08/05 07:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
*sigh*

It is obvious that you are relatively new here else you would understand by now that internal consistency and logic are not necessary prerequisites for any belief system.

Adopted ideas are NOT meant to be questioned, merely accepted.




heh.  :smile2:


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Re: Are you anti-abortion, but okay with 'collateral damage?' [Re: Sinbad]
    #3751861 - 02/08/05 07:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Its quite simple, the power hungry follow the money, and the sheep follow the herd!




I agree that people are too easily manipulated by authority.The problem is though,that the people that dont follow the herd are cast out and are often considered lunatics.Not enough people think for themselves anymore. :frown:


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Re: Are you anti-abortion, but okay with 'collateral damage?' [Re: UnenlightenedOne]
    #3751969 - 02/08/05 07:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Prosgeopax:
I am politically conservative leaning. I have been a soldier and I have had training appropriate to attending a war. My interest in shamanism has taught me that ALL life is sacred. The taking of life is necessary in the course of our lives, but it must be done after only the most careful consideration. This includes the killing of animals and insects as well as people. My stance on abortion is that there are times that it may be necessary to maintain the health of the mother (mental or physical) and an abortion is in order. To use it as a common form of birth control is disrespectful. I support the death penalty, but only as the very last alternative to removing a highly dangerous person from society. War is sometimes necessary and inevitable. Do I support the war in Iraq? I did at first, but my mind has shifted on that subject. I think that ultimately it did not benefit our safety in any real way, and many unnecessary deaths have resulted. The people of Iraq should have taken out their own trash years ago. We in America did in 1776. Do I support the GIs...the common soldier on the line taking a world of shit because his country told him to? Hell, yes. Their lives are also sacred.


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Re: Are you anti-abortion, but okay with 'collateral damage?' [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3752142 - 02/08/05 08:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The taking of life is necessary in the course of our lives, but it must be done after only the most careful consideration. This includes the killing of ... insects...

Huehue in Florida being sucked dry by a mosquito(es): "Hmmm, let me contemplate the ramifications in the eternal circle if I extinguish the life force of one of God's beloved creatures. What right do I have to ....blah, blah, blah..."

Swami in Florida long before being sucked dry by a mosquito(es): *SPLAT!* "R.I.P, you little fucker!"


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Re: Are you anti-abortion, but okay with 'collateral damage?' [Re: UnenlightenedOne]
    #3752155 - 02/08/05 08:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Please ignore swami's criticism and cynical and pessimistic views.

Huh? Recognizing the way things are is cynical and pessimistic? PrognosisFax or whatever Hippo-Face's name is, would not have asked the question if he had not noted such a glaring hypocrisy.


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Re: Are you anti-abortion, but okay with 'collateral damage?' [Re: Swami]
    #3752273 - 02/08/05 08:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Recognizing the way things are...

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Re: Are you anti-abortion, but okay with 'collateral damage?' [Re: Swami]
    #3752275 - 02/08/05 08:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
... would not have asked the question if he had not noted such a glaring hypocrisy.



Ahem... hippocrisy.


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Re: Are you anti-abortion, but okay with 'collateral damage?' [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #3752430 - 02/08/05 09:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:lol:


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Re: Are you anti-abortion, but okay with 'collateral damage?' [Re: Swami]
    #3753067 - 02/08/05 11:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Swami:
You misunderstand me. The amount of consideration required is in relation to the need. I will set a mouse trap out of need. I don't like killing mice, and I do not enjoy killing houseflies or mosquitoes...I do it out of need. If I see a large harmless insect in my home such as a beetle or a praying mantis, or even a grasshopper I take it outside as killing it is callous and serves no real purpose. I always take spiders outside as I have always felt a curious kinship with them, and I have a high tolerance for them. I do not suggest allowing your home to be overrun with rats and cockroaches...just do not kill for no purpose. This is a value I have instilled in my children since birth...to have empathy for even the slightest of creatures. By the way I am a bow (longbows only) hunter and a fisherman.


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Re: Are you anti-abortion, but okay with 'collateral damage?' [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3753091 - 02/08/05 11:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

do you need that tiny amount of blood more than the female mosquito does? an amount of blood that isn't even a drop in the bucket to you, but fills the mosquito's entire belly?


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Re: Are you anti-abortion, but okay with 'collateral damage?' [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3753121 - 02/08/05 11:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

By the way I am a bow (longbows only) hunter and a fisherman.

I bagged a bow once once, but it wasn't that big...


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Re: Are you anti-abortion, but okay with 'collateral damage?' [Re: Swami]
    #3753133 - 02/08/05 11:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Huh? Recognizing the way things are is cynical and pessimistic? PrognosisFax or whatever Hippo-Face's name is, would not have asked the question if he had not noted such a glaring hypocrisy.




You know precisely how sarcastic you are at every turn.Sometimes its a bit much to stomach no offense.Sometimes you go a bit far depending on the post though.


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Re: Are you anti-abortion, but okay with 'collateral damage?' [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3753135 - 02/08/05 11:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

do you need that tiny amount of blood more than the female mosquito does? an amount of blood that isn't even a drop in the bucket to you, but fills the mosquito's entire belly?

Selfishness knows no limitations.


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