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 Vvellum
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 The Vietnam turnout was good as well 
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 lonestar2004
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 Re: The Vietnam turnout was good as well [Re: Vvellum]
#3721817 - 02/02/05 09:39 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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the left compares everything to Vietnam.
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Re: The Vietnam turnout was good as well [Re: lonestar2004]
#3721919 - 02/02/05 09:51 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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And to Hitler.
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Re: The Vietnam turnout was good as well [Re: lonestar2004]
#3721971 - 02/02/05 09:57 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Indeed, it's called learning from your mistakes.
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Re: The Vietnam turnout was good as well [Re: Ravus]
#3723926 - 02/03/05 08:41 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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The Left's Proudest Moment is Slaughter [Re: Vvellum]
#3724066 - 02/03/05 09:44 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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We left those people out on a limb in IndoChina. That was a holocaust that we don't speak much about in this country. Millions of people died and millions still live in repression today. We promised them freedom, then we left them and they got slaughtered. I pray that doesn't happen again.
People on the left still preach about the "lessons of Vietnam", but they have never really learned it themselves. What in the hell do you think happened to those 83% of voters in Vietnam that yearned for liberty and self determination? What became of them Bio? Re-education camps? Drowning on shanty boats in the South China sea? Refugee camps? Jails? What became of those people? And why the fuck are the people on the left so damn proud of it? Why is it that your proudest moment seems to be the slaughter and repression of millions of people that wanted freedom and liberty?
I support George Bush. I hate his big government and he spends too much money, but America should never again turn her back on liberty. We have promised the people of Iraq freedom and this time around I want to keep that promise. George Bush will not turn his back on those people, and we are winning the war on terror.
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Re: The Left's Proudest Moment is Slaughter [Re: JesusChrist]
#3724082 - 02/03/05 09:49 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: The Vietnam turnout was good as well [Re: Phred]
#3724094 - 02/03/05 09:54 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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pinksharkmark said:
And to Hitler.
So does that mean that Vietnam is officially Hitler-esque?
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Re: The Vietnam turnout was good as well [Re: lonestar2004]
#3724263 - 02/03/05 10:49 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
lonestar2004 said:
the left compares everything to Vietnam.
Maybe because Iraq and Vietnam are similar.
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Re: The Vietnam turnout was good as well [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
#3724274 - 02/03/05 10:52 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
The_Red_Crayon said:
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lonestar2004 said:
the left compares everything to Vietnam.
Maybe because Iraq and Vietnam are similar.
I can just imagine some presidential candidate 30 years from now getting shot down by "Fallujah Veterans for Truth."
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Re: The Vietnam turnout was good as well [Re: Silversoul]
#3724540 - 02/03/05 12:21 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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When Night Fell In Indochina: Remembering the Consequences of America's Abandonment of South Vietnam and Cambodia
I'll file this in the "defense contracters' wet dream" category.
Regardless of what happened in vietnam after we left, it was our fault for being there in the first place. You can't break something unil it is fixed which apparently is what we are once again on our way to verifying in Iraq.
I'm only looking out for the rest of the world's freedom, freedom from us.
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We went into vietnam because of vietnamification. We were afraid their would be a domino effect of Communism. They thought the north vietnamese were getting arms and supplies from communist China. Which like Iraq was wrong intelligence.
So therefore we introduced Special Forces and SOG units in to South Vietnam to train the indians on the mekong river and civilians in the cities. There were several small skirmishes in the beginning years of the war and Only 700 to 1000 people died in the first three years.
In 1964 came the Gulf Of Tonkin act when a "supposed" submarine fired a torpedo at a destroyer. The supposed torpedo missed and was only recorded on sonar as blips which could be anything. These blips happened twice. It was reported as an attack so congress passed Gulf of Tonkin act which gave the decision of war personally to Johnson.
Thus Vietnam became a politicians war.
When Gulf of tonkin came Johnson decided to put in marines so. After 1965 it was full blown war. Casualties were coming 30 or 50 a week. By 1968 during tet offensive a massive 800 Americans died in a single week. Mostly due to the mortaring of Khe Sahn Fire base.
Giant attacks were launched in Hue and Da Nang. By the time Tet was over the Viet Cong were completely decimated and it was All North Vietnamese regulars.
Like Iraq we came there with the intent of training the local populace have them build a army and get the hell out, but it cost us a 10 year war.
Vietnam has horrible terrorism. Villagers were raiding marines at night and farming crops by day. They disguised as local villagers and also hid weapons in these villages. If the person who head the village did not comply with them they murdered them.
Iraq and Vietnam although not exactly similar are very alike.
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Re: The Vietnam turnout was good as well [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
#3729166 - 02/04/05 06:06 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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What I don't get is if we were so afraid of "The Domino Effect" and Communism spreading, why does China have "Most Favored Nation" status now, and why is over half the shit at Wal-Mart made in damn China?
Why are we sending red China money by the boat load? They are going to bury the world.
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Re: The Vietnam turnout was good as well [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#3729191 - 02/04/05 06:23 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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What I don't get is if we were so afraid of "The Domino Effect" and Communism spreading, why does China have "Most Favored Nation" status now, and why is over half the shit at Wal-Mart made in damn China?
China is more of a burgeoning capitalist dictatorship than a communist state. Or at least that is the impression I get. And, Americans don't give a shit where their stuff is made as long as it is cheap and plentiful.
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Re: The Vietnam turnout was good as well [Re: RandalFlagg]
#3746848 - 02/07/05 05:45 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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We need to go back to Vietnam and liberate it.
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Re: The Vietnam turnout was good as well [Re: Great_Satan]
#3746929 - 02/07/05 05:56 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oh, look who's back. Here is your belated Christmas present, from me to you!  Go ahead and open it!
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 Re: The Vietnam turnout was good as well [Re: SWEDEN]
#3750040 - 02/08/05 06:27 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Jesus Christ: And why the fuck are the people on the left so damn proud of it? Why is it that your proudest moment seems to be the slaughter and repression of millions of people that wanted freedom and liberty?
Get a grip my man - I think you are missing the point. I doubt anyone would ever be proud of such a debacle, however it is a poignant lesson/chapter of history that must be remembered. Would you rather brush it under the carpet to protect your illusions enlightened one?
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Randall Flagg: Americans don't give a shit where their stuff is made as long as it is cheap and plentiful.
Totally - they don't give a fuck who makes it either. As long as they feel like they are the bosses, and the commies or Muslims aren't getting too popular....the world is perfect.
After all what else matters?
US government loves dictators, as long as they kiss butt; or sometimes just because they are too powerful to challenge, and they supply so much cheap stuff to the US populous.
USA cares not for genuine freedom in the world. Being number one is all that matters, and wanking off about it with a spray on tan and uncle sam.
All that noble rhetoric the US government spouts sounds good tho.
Viva la revolution!
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Re: The Vietnam turnout was good as well [Re: RandalFlagg]
#3750178 - 02/08/05 08:15 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
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What I don't get is if we were so afraid of "The Domino Effect" and Communism spreading, why does China have "Most Favored Nation" status now, and why is over half the shit at Wal-Mart made in damn China?
China is more of a burgeoning capitalist dictatorship than a communist state. Or at least that is the impression I get. And, Americans don't give a shit where their stuff is made as long as it is cheap and plentiful.
China is essential to our economy, thats why they have favored nation status.
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I think the domino theory was abandoned 30 years ago anyway. China did not achieve most favored nation status until sometime after that.
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Re: The Vietnam turnout was good as well [Re: CJay]
#3750739 - 02/08/05 11:34 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Totally - they don't give a fuck who makes it either.
What I meant by this was that the average American focuses a lot of their life upon their physical and material situation(although many people around the world do this as well).
As long as they feel like they are the bosses, and the commies or Muslims aren't getting too popular....the world is perfect.
I disagree. The average American in my opinion wants the rest of the world to like them. I know people who are genuinely distressed when they see images of foreigners burning American flags and such.
US government loves dictators, as long as they kiss butt; or sometimes just because they are too powerful to challenge, and they supply so much cheap stuff to the US populous.
Admittedly, the U.S. has supported and/or tolerated dictators because it served a certain purpose.
USA cares not for genuine freedom in the world.
No government in this world gives too much of a shit about freedom or spreading freedom. All they care about is if things are going well inside of their own borders and their constituents are happy.
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