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OfflineDaShroomer
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60/40 casing and HYDRATED LIME?????
    #3750677 - 02/08/05 01:14 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Whats up all?  I'm about to do a verm/coir casing and was wondering how much hydrated lime should i use?  I know that i am supposed to use less hydrated lime then i would calcium carbonate?  Just wondering if anyone had an idea i'm pre sterilizing the casing materials now, thanks in advance!!!!!!!!!!1 :mushroom2:


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Re: 60/40 casing and HYDRATED LIME????? [Re: DaShroomer]
    #3750698 - 02/08/05 01:23 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

If by 60/40 casing you mean verm/coir, then you don't need lime or any ph buffering.


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Re: 60/40 casing and HYDRATED LIME????? [Re: MrMaddHatter]
    #3750734 - 02/08/05 01:33 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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If by 60/40 casing you mean verm/coir, then you don't need lime or any ph buffering.




Oh i thought i read that lime isn't necassary but a good aditive??


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Re: 60/40 casing and HYDRATED LIME????? [Re: DaShroomer]
    #3750743 - 02/08/05 01:36 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

i add it it mine but only about 5%. it works great


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Re: 60/40 casing and HYDRATED LIME????? [Re: DaShroomer]
    #3750753 - 02/08/05 01:38 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I wouldn't see any benefit from adding lime to a coir mix. I could be wrong, though.


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Re: 60/40 casing and HYDRATED LIME????? [Re: DaShroomer]
    #3750839 - 02/08/05 02:07 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Verm and Coir have a neutral PH and don't require a buffer.

You only need a PH buffer when using peat moss.


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Re: 60/40 casing and HYDRATED LIME????? [Re: TM]
    #3751023 - 02/08/05 03:03 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah but the mushrooms secrete things and change the ph of the casing material, so a long term ph buffer IS beneficial for 2,3,4 flushes.


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Re: 60/40 casing and HYDRATED LIME????? [Re: psillybobby]
    #3751044 - 02/08/05 03:08 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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the mushrooms secrete things and change the ph of the casing material




Oh really?

Like what?

HAHAHAHA! mushroom secretions! :lol:

You newbies crack me up! :lol:

:rolleyes:


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Re: 60/40 casing and HYDRATED LIME????? [Re: TM]
    #3752139 - 02/08/05 08:01 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Actually he is right, I read something about this also...on this site somewhere but I can't remember where...someone that knows more about this back me up and show me where I read it at....anno,agar,magash,scat anyone?!?


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Re: 60/40 casing and HYDRATED LIME????? [Re: Taskenti]
    #3752664 - 02/08/05 10:01 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

bruceallen, you are Fing crazy, mycelium just consumes water and nutrients, they don't EVER secrete ANYTHING!!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

some people need to lighten up on the newbies and stop being DICKS because they think they know everything.


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Re: 60/40 casing and HYDRATED LIME????? *DELETED* [Re: derx]
    #3752702 - 02/08/05 10:10 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: 60/40 casing and HYDRATED LIME????? [Re: bumper]
    #3753273 - 02/08/05 11:41 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Ok listen up coir can be anywhere from 5.7-6.3 pH generally. Mushrooms secrete metabolic wastes as a by-product of digesting substrate. EVEN coir can benefit from the use of a long term buffer and a little hydrated lime. Hydrated lime can be added 1tsp. per qt. without any problems but a long term will suit you better. If ya don't believe coir is on the acidic side of the pH scale just do a google search and check it out for yourself. Mycelium grows up thru the casing it does not digest it so pH is not so much the issue as far as the myc's concerned, what is a concern is the fact that trich loves acidic casings :wink:


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Re: 60/40 casing and HYDRATED LIME????? [Re: bumper]
    #3753302 - 02/08/05 11:44 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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derx said:
bruceallen, you are Fing crazy, mycelium just consumes water and nutrients, they don't EVER secrete ANYTHING!!!!




What about  mycelium piss?



Exactly! Just because we can't see it doesn't mean it is not so. Much of what happens here is basic microbiology :wink:


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Re: 60/40 casing and HYDRATED LIME????? [Re: hyphae]
    #3753312 - 02/08/05 11:46 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

*my post was total sarcasm ridiculing tripmeister*


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Re: 60/40 casing and HYDRATED LIME????? [Re: derx]
    #3753649 - 02/09/05 12:36 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I like to add some hydrated lime to the water when I'm hydrating the coir/verm. Then I test the mix with a ph pen and try to get around 7.5-8. If it's lower I add some more lime. If it's high (more often than not) I add diluted muriatic acid dropwise untill the mixture is at 7.5 (no higher than 8). Then the mixture gets drained and baked 450 degrees for 2 hours.
I don't like to just toss in an estimated amoumt of lime and continue without testing ph because the lime has a ph of 14 and a little too much can screw you. I also hydrate a giant block of coir at a time and if I'm going to store it for later use I make sure it is soaking in water at a ph over 12. Nothging can contam it during storage at that ph.
If you don't have means to test ph, knowing that coir is only slightly acidic, you could just add a handfull of calcium carbonate and not worry about too high ph.


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Re: 60/40 casing and HYDRATED LIME????? *DELETED* [Re: derx]
    #3753731 - 02/09/05 12:55 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: 60/40 casing and HYDRATED LIME????? [Re: bumper]
    #3754115 - 02/09/05 02:11 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I thought you were serious too derx. I hope tripmeister was kidding too and he doesnt really thing mycelium doesnt secrete anything but who knows. Those damn silly newbies like Stamets and his silly ideas that mushrooms secrete things. What a silly silly newbie he was.

I dont like to add hydrated lime to my coir, I just dont trust it in case I get pretty neutral coir. Calcium carbonate is GREAT for it though! Can add lots and not worry so much about acidental overdoing. If you measure pH it could be fine, and following hyphaes advice usually ends you up where you want to be, but just adding some crushed oyster shells helps out I think starting at the 2nd flush. I used the stuff since I first started until I ran out...havnt used it since and man did I notice a difference. Just started using it again and will continue to from now on.


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Re: 60/40 casing and HYDRATED LIME????? [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3755201 - 02/09/05 10:31 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

If you guys would just take the time to READ MORE CAREFULLY...

Quote:

psillybobby said:
the mushrooms secrete things and change the ph of the casing material




He said the "MUSHROOOMS secrete things".

THAT'S what I was laughing so hard at. Of course I know MYCELIUM secretes piss!

Anyone who's ever grown on grain should.

JEEZ.


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Re: 60/40 casing and HYDRATED LIME????? [Re: TM]
    #3755292 - 02/09/05 11:27 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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hyphae said:
Mushrooms secrete metabolic wastes as a by-product of digesting substrate.




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Re: 60/40 casing and HYDRATED LIME????? [Re: Taskenti]
    #3755368 - 02/09/05 11:52 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Tripmeister: You are a mycologist, aren't you?


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