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Offlineblaze2
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are better days are coming soon?
    #3749011 - 02/08/05 01:59 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Lately I have been really pissed off and disguested with the apparent rise of conservatism.  I have been thinking about the last time America went this far to the right and I think the best comparison would have to be the 50's.

I've given this alot of thought and there are numerous parallels to the 50's happenning right now.  We were at war, the afformentioned rise of extremely conservative "values", it was full of intolerence and downright hatred to varius minoritys, and it was a time when these coservatives considered themselves extremely patriotic and everyone else was not.  But most importantly the first hippys appeared.  They didnt have a name then, but the first hippys arrived in the 50s, and later, in the 60's their number exploded.

Now im not saying that the 60s are going to come back, I dont think that will ever happen again, but I DO think that the same formula is at play.  The country moves far to the right then swings back hard to the left.  History repeats itself, everyone knows that.

So cheer up the 2010's might just be a really groovy time, and if it is then you can count yourself as one of forerunners, just like the hippys from the 50's.  :peace:PEACE:peace:

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Re: are better days are coming soon? [Re: blaze2]
    #3749105 - 02/08/05 02:18 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I've thought of that as well... I've come to the conclusion that it's only going to get worse though (getting more and more restrictive as each day passes). It can only get so bad before it gets better though *shrug*.


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Re: are better days are coming soon? [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #3749949 - 02/08/05 06:55 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Let's call the next movement the Roots Movement, and lets all call each other Roots!! Going back to our roots, our true nature, is what we need..

And hey, maybe in the 2010's we will accomplish the revolution that the hippy's only dreamed of.


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Re: are better days are coming soon? [Re: blaze2]
    #3749976 - 02/08/05 07:27 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Rampant extremist liberalism is just as noxious as unchecked conservatism. The middle ground is where sanity is found.


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Re: are better days are coming soon? [Re: blaze2]
    #3750082 - 02/08/05 09:16 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Better days are coming in about four years.

Move to Canada.


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Re: are better days are coming soon? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3750089 - 02/08/05 09:20 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Huehuecoyotl said:
Rampant extremist liberalism is just as noxious as unchecked conservatism. The middle ground is where sanity is found.



In the middle between big-government socialists and militaristic religious nutballs? No thanks. I think I'd rather just find my own direction. I choose the libertarian path.


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Re: are better days are coming soon? [Re: blaze2]
    #3750091 - 02/08/05 09:24 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Regarding the topic: regardless of your political views, the general trend is for the politics of a country to swing from one end of the political spectrum to the other. We're seeing it in full right swing, and eventually, it will swing the other way(I'm not particularly thrilled about the prospect of all the social programs that will come about from that).


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Re: are better days are coming soon? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #3750095 - 02/08/05 09:28 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I am a US citizen and I enjoy my status as such. I remember during the Clinton administration being just as fed up with the liberal bullshit running amok as I am with this fundamental right wing conservatism we see now. As for better days? I enjoy living in this day and time. Canada is no better a place to live than the US.


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Re: are better days are coming soon? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3750588 - 02/08/05 12:42 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

summer of love 21 century? :P

no, better days are not coming soon, they are here.. :wink:


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Re: are better days are coming soon? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3750817 - 02/08/05 02:01 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Huehuecoyotl said:
Rampant extremist liberalism is just as noxious as unchecked conservatism. The middle ground is where sanity is found.




Odd, what makes you think a forum full of shroomers want sanity?  :laugh:


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"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
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Re: are better days are coming soon? [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #3750829 - 02/08/05 02:04 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I wasnt speaking so much about the government when i said it will swing back to the left. I meant the populace, but yes the middle is the best place for the government.


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Re: are better days are coming soon? [Re: blaze2]
    #3750846 - 02/08/05 02:10 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, unfortuanetly not many people know where the infamous "middle" really is.


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"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.


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40 year cycle? [Re: blaze2]
    #3751072 - 02/08/05 03:19 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

A wave of spirituality exploded in the 20s, then it hit even harder in the 60s, especially the latter half. The wave is building up, and will hopefully it with incredible force this time. Will we brake through or will it roll back?

Hehe... Dig the thought, rooters  :heart: :heart: :heart:

We need to keep on dreaming!


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Re: are better days are coming soon? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3761913 - 02/10/05 03:08 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Huehuecoyotl said:
Rampant extremist liberalism is just as noxious as unchecked conservatism. The middle ground is where sanity is found.




I disagree.

Sanity is nowhere to be found anywhere within the matrix of politics. :mushroom2:


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Re: are better days are coming soon? [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #3776530 - 02/14/05 12:33 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Lightningfractal said:
Quote:

Huehuecoyotl said:
Rampant extremist liberalism is just as noxious as unchecked conservatism. The middle ground is where sanity is found.




I disagree.

Sanity is nowhere to be found anywhere within the matrix of politics. :mushroom2:




Sanity is subjective, it's where you find it.


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"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.


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Re: are better days are coming soon? [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #3776777 - 02/14/05 01:25 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Sanity is nowhere to be found anywhere within the matrix of politics. :mushroom2:




So... sanity has no place in the art of compromise?

Interesting view...


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Re: are better days are coming soon? [Re: Sclorch]
    #3776817 - 02/14/05 01:36 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Sclorch said:
Quote:

Lightningfractal said:
Sanity is nowhere to be found anywhere within the matrix of politics. :mushroom2:




So... sanity has no place in the art of compromise?

Interesting view...



Compromise is not always the sane thing to do.  When you are faced between good and evil, you do not compromise between the two.  You choose good.


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Re: are better days are coming soon? [Re: Silversoul]
    #3776863 - 02/14/05 01:51 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Paradigm said:
Quote:

Sclorch said:
Quote:

Lightningfractal said:
Sanity is nowhere to be found anywhere within the matrix of politics. :mushroom2:




So... sanity has no place in the art of compromise?

Interesting view...



Compromise is not always the sane thing to do.  When you are faced between good and evil, you do not compromise between the two.  You choose good.




Obviously politics is foreign territory for you.  Things are not always black and white (unless you believe the current president).

For example:

A mother is holding onto the hands of her two toddlers as they walk through Times Square.  She trips and her two toddlers go scurrying off into traffic... assuming she can only save one, which one does she save?  Either way she's favoring one over the other.

A politician has to decide what's more important... supplying cancer patients with expensive drugs that they could not otherwise afford OR supplying malaria vaccines to African tribespeople.  Is it a game of numbers - the more people he saves, the better?  Or is it more about saving his fellow citizens?


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Re: are better days are coming soon? [Re: Sclorch]
    #3776871 - 02/14/05 01:53 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Obviously politics is foreign territory for you.



Obviously you don't know much about me.

Quote:

Things are not always black and white (unless you believe the current president).



Nor did I say they were. If you are going to respond, please respond to what I have actually said.


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Re: are better days are coming soon? [Re: Silversoul]
    #3776945 - 02/14/05 02:22 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Okay... I hurt your feelings... sorry... moving on...

Quote:

Compromise is not always the sane thing to do. When you are faced between good and evil, you do not compromise between the two. You choose good.



This is a very simplified view of things. Too simplified.

Politics is how you deal with the gray area. It is not inherently good or bad. And sometimes the choices are mixed (see my examples).


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