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 Chonger
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 The fear of being like everybody else 
#374451 - 08/19/01 06:18 AM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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I just read HeavenlyBlue's post about his nightmare trip, and it got me thinking to my last trip i had. I wouldnt call it a bad trip, but i had one of the most horrible thoughts which totally haunted me before i somehow forced myself to forget it.
And that thought was that every single person on the face of the earth is exactly the same, in mind and spirit. I had completely lost the ability to distinguish the differences between one person's beliefs to the next person's. I came to the conclusion that whatever someone beleives is merely the product of the experiences and situations this person had been through throughout their lives to put them in this state of beliefs. Even though this is true to an extent, it got me thinking, is everyone mentally the same from birth? Are we simply just blank pieces of paper waiting to be filled in by whoever crosses our path which will determine who we will be?
If theres one thing that scares me in life, it is having no individuality and uniqueness.
It may come across as egotistical or arrogant in a way, but as Billy corgan once sang, "I fear that i am ordinary, just like everyone"
Peace
and i couldn't awake from the nightmare that sucked me in and pulled me under
pulled me under
oh... that was so real
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 Re: The fear of being like everybody else [Re: Chonger]
#374531 - 08/19/01 10:41 AM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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Interesting. One of the things that the mushroom goddess has taught me is that we ARE all the same... perfect children of God, and that all our beliefs, and everything that divides us: politically, socially, religiously, whatever.. are simply conditioned, they are LEARNED. I see this as incredibly beautiful, though.. not scary at all. I don't think that means that we are not unique beings, however... our experiences make us so, and certainly each of us has a unique spirit and unique gifts that we bring to the world.. but don't you think that the world just MIGHT be a better place if we were all able to see that we are ALL born perfect and retain that perfection - outside of egos and politics, etc - throughout our lives. Born a blank piece of paper? yep... that's the "empty vessel" that the buddhists speak of. I don't think we can ever fully achieve it again but if we could... something like Heaven might dawn.
Everything you know is wrong.
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Chonger
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Re: The fear of being like everybody else [Re: Product]
#374535 - 08/19/01 10:49 AM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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I see what you are saying, and it would be cool to think that everyone has the potential to be a wondeful person. But i also beleive that some people are born evil, and its this contrast which worries me the most. Even more so, it is clear that people are born with varying mental abilities, some are completely and utterly retarded and some are profoundly intelligent, but then if you think about that, whether you are retarded or intelligent, you still have the ability to infilict or create a very large impression on people on some kind of level at least.
and i couldn't awake from the nightmare that sucked me in and pulled me under
pulled me under
oh... that was so real
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Re: The fear of being like everybody else [Re: Chonger]
#374577 - 08/19/01 02:21 PM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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I agree with you about the varying mental capacity, but not necessarily that people are 'born evil'. I think that evil comes either from your conditioning, OR from something physically wrong with your brain. This begs a second question: If a person kills because of a physical/mental disorder, does that make the person evil? Not sure I can even take a stab at that one... it's an issue though, given that there are retarded/brain damaged people on death row. Certainly we need to be protected from them, but do they deserve to die?
And remember, our calling someone "evil" that is conditioning also. What might be evil to us may be perfectly acceptable in another society. It's all dependent upon the time/society in which you live. I don't believe in pure evil, I think it's something humanity made up so that we don't all kill each other.
Everything you know is wrong.
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Bill Hicks' Gifts of Forgiveness
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Everything you know is wrong.
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Chonger
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Re: The fear of being like everybody else [Re: Product]
#374590 - 08/19/01 02:47 PM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah true, its pretty much the same with lots of adjectives that have come to be. Language is a pretty limiting tool when it comes to elemental ideas in your mind, because the only way we can assign meanings to particular words is from describing them with other words, which is ironic in a way.
I suppose when i say evil, i mean someone who purposely sets out to harm, torture, and cause unecessary suffering to any being that has the intelligence to be hurt, offended, etc.
and i couldn't awake from the nightmare that sucked me in and pulled me under
pulled me under
oh... that was so real
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Re: The fear of being like everybody else [Re: Chonger]
#374772 - 08/19/01 08:30 PM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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this is the thing: theres too many people following "trends" and not enough people making them. unless you can talk in jibberish like then i cant explain it very much more clearly. too many people are following rules that they hate, and the thing is that everyone hates those rules. no one can change them, they just "make it" through "life" and try to bend the rules a little to slightly fit there needs. and they are all paraniod schizophrenics that fuckin freak out if there make is a little smeared one day (just an example) or if there child is thinking for himself a little and not doing every tiny thing that they want him to (just another example). it shows off of everybody!!! it is like they try to keep secrets, but they are thinking about it (or whatever the occasion happens to be) and others can just see it clearly. when i see a crowd of people (mostly tinyboppers these days) and they are all wearing coloun and baggie pants, and other type things they all look the same to me. they are all trying to get eachother to be them and vise-versa, but they only know what they think they are so theres nothing to be and they are just acting that they believe is "reality"
how do you expect people to watch the brady bunch without any lsd?
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Re: The fear of being like everybody else [Re: Chonger]
#374838 - 08/19/01 10:08 PM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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Chonger, i've had that same thought of yours, but I always hard a hard time expressing it, I must say you did a great job. I think its scary to think of it that way.. b/c it makes who are.. not really you.. its everyone else that forms you.. but then again if everyone is just a blank piece of paper.. then we are all collectively forming one another through our expierences..=)
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Re: The fear of being like everybody else [Re: Chonger]
#374987 - 08/20/01 02:13 AM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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Arent we all the product of the programming of our DNA?
I think we are, but we all have a kind of "free area" where we can be different of each other in things like our behaviour.
One question is how big this free area is and how much are all the same.
- Please excuse my spelling im just a lazy german who never paid attention in his english classes
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Re: The fear of being like everybody else [Re: ]
#375086 - 08/20/01 08:09 AM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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but, lets say some throws some red paint on the blank
paper, it up to you what you do with it you can move
according to your taste. You make the art. Others suppy the
medium.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>MIND YOUR HEAD<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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Re: The fear of being like everybody else [Re: lucid_dreams]
#376033 - 08/22/01 12:45 AM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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i know ppl are born evil. ive been walking through the dark
my whole life. my expierience has taught my never to swear
off either. ive accepted my dark side and i think im living
more honestly and w/o guilt of that side. accept it. it
wont go away.
In The City, Where Angels Fear To Hover And
Devils Come To Croon, The Sex Of The Night Lets
Down Her Black Narcotic Hair To A Yellow Opium
Moon...
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Devils Come To Croon, The Sex Of The Night Lets
Down Her Black Narcotic Hair To A Yellow Opium
Moon...
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Chonger
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Re: The fear of being like everybody else [Re: Ares]
#376195 - 08/22/01 06:29 AM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think i've titled this post terribly.
Who exactly is everyone else?
If I say that, i obviously imply that to another person, i am included in everyone else, yet i seem to think that i am above everyone else, when i'm sure someone else feels the same.
Well you could interpret it like that, but that would be getting the wrong end of the stick.
and i couldn't awake from the nightmare that sucked me in and pulled me under
pulled me under
oh... that was so real
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Re: The fear of being like everybody else [Re: Chonger]
#376217 - 08/22/01 07:19 AM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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In my experience, people who don't want to be like everyone else, usually aren't anyway. I think this is because people who are different are more willing to step back from the crowd and see what the crowd actually looks like, and dislike it accordingly. This will often lead to the observer either conciously changing their behavior to become more different, or help him or her to realize how different they are from other people in the first place. How people come to terms with their differences is very individual, but the way they find out about them is usually by observing the sameness in others. People who are just stamped out of the same cookie cutter never seem to notice that they are just like all of the people around them, and therefore they never seem to mind their sameness. After all, ignorance is bliss, right? Anyway, the fact that you have looked at those around you and expressed a need to be different indicates that you are already on the path twards your own uniqueness.
I did acid once, white boy gave it to me. He said "you gonna be trippin", I said Shit, I ain't goin' nowhere without my luggage.
-Richard Pryor
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Chonger
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Re: The fear of being like everybody else [Re: superpimp]
#376340 - 08/22/01 10:43 AM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've noticed the sameness in people for as long as i can remember, i've always hated fitting in the crowd.
and i couldn't awake from the nightmare that sucked me in and pulled me under
pulled me under
oh... that was so real
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I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than have a frontal lobotomy
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Re: The fear of being like everybody else [Re: Chonger]
#376758 - 08/22/01 10:26 PM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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I do what i want not what a trend 'tells' me but the thing is many things i like can be considerd a trend for example raves and mushrooms. What's horable is when kids do shit to be in a click/crew/posse whatever and they don't enjoy the thing, my friend skateboards alot sucks and hates it but he wants to be able to chill with the certain people. but what's even worse are the kids who do shit only to be on the 'fringe' and just end up wearing icp shirts ('come on face it, they suck anus.) and being in a crew and dis on the 'pop' people when they are just in another aspect of pop culture. be your self and you'll still be able to chill with the skaters and any one eles you want, it's all up to you.
there's fungus amung us.
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Chonger
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Re: The fear of being like everybody else [Re: Chonger]
#376902 - 08/23/01 04:49 AM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lately i've been getting really angry when i go to bars or clubs because i just see right through people, and the way people just act to be something they are not, it seems such a waste.
I'm gonna chill out now, i get irritated too easily!
and i couldn't awake from the nightmare that sucked me in and pulled me under
pulled me under
oh... that was so real
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I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than have a frontal lobotomy
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Re: The fear of being like everybody else [Re: Chonger]
#377025 - 08/23/01 09:52 AM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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Another example of shrooms good qualitys!
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Re: The fear of being like everybody else [Re: Chonger]
#377291 - 08/23/01 06:55 PM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've always been able to see right through people. Not so much by the way they look but by their personalities. It kinda sucks because most people I have met it life are very very shallow.
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Re: The fear of being like everybody else [Re: sHemp13]
#377449 - 08/23/01 11:21 PM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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Edited by JeeLiX (12/06/01 04:21 PM)
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Re: The fear of being like everybody else [Re: Chonger]
#377462 - 08/23/01 11:38 PM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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"Lately i've been getting really angry when i go to bars or clubs because i just see right through people, and the way people just act to be something they are not, it seems such a waste.
I'm gonna chill out now, i get irritated too easily! "
Chonger I feel the same way all of the time, it's tuff man. Most people are so fake it is depressing. Just look for the beauty in everything and supress the negative. If you dwell on this it will make it worse, trust me.
Edited by JeeLiX on 08/24/01 01:54 AM.
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Re: The fear of being like everybody else [Re: Chonger]
#378777 - 08/25/01 09:04 PM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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interesting question... maybe another trip will clear it to you! ;)
yeah, i agree we're like a blank sheet of paper waiting to be filled or something, and i agree with genetical issues, but, what is the matter with us being the very same inside? we're full of light when we know nothing because we're not under the influence of nothing. this is what happens when u go 'level 5'... or more. ego loss. purity. freedom from any influences... yeah, to this point our language is very crude and not too much can be said... just experienced.
it is not bad to know we all were the closest to 'the same' when we were born (or even before conception). it's not bad to know some ppl are fucked up bcs of themselves or others or both. its educative.
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