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Offlineblaze2
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Re: flowing chill out music? [Re: Redstorm]
    #3756305 - 02/09/05 02:05 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Its not music unless it comes out of an instrument. synthesizers do not make music they imitate it. Its like picking velveeta over a block of cheddar. Piss on that. Peace

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Re: flowing chill out music? [Re: blaze2]
    #3756562 - 02/09/05 03:04 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Nope, you're wrong. It's still music, regardless of the media it's created by.

Piss on that. Peace


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Re: flowing chill out music? [Re: blaze2]
    #3756581 - 02/09/05 03:08 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

You're entitled to your opinion that it's not good music, but to say it's not music at all is absurd. Try telling that to the people that create those songs and sets. I'm sure they put just as much effort and learning into using synths and other programs and people who use a guitar or drums do.


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Re: flowing chill out music? [Re: blaze2]
    #3761164 - 02/10/05 10:19 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

cool, first time i saw digital witch craft mentioned here :smile: i've really been digging Rumpistol lately too, you should check em out, i have their self titled cd i can send if you can't find it and have broadband :stoned:


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Re: flowing chill out music? [Re: John]
    #3761842 - 02/10/05 12:50 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

why would you choose fake over real????? If it really does take the same amount of time to learn a synth why not just fucking learn a REAL instrument???? Like i said its like choosing fake velveeta cheese over a block of good old american cheddar, its moronic.


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Re: flowing chill out music? [Re: blaze2]
    #3761864 - 02/10/05 12:53 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

It's not moronic. It's a matter of preference. Just b/c velveeta isn't real cheese doesn't mean that all people like cheese better than velveeta.

Get over yourself, you're being ignorant.

John: I've never heard of them. What type of music are they? I'll pm you with my aim address later today so you can send it. :smile:


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Re: flowing chill out music? [Re: Redstorm]
    #3761949 - 02/10/05 01:19 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

i've never good labeling music but it has a ambient/lo-fi vibe to it
http://www.ambientmusic.co.uk/rumpistol.html


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Re: flowing chill out music? [Re: John]
    #3762013 - 02/10/05 01:29 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Sweet, I'll check 'e, out, and if I like 'em, I'll shoot you a pm.

Thanks! :thumbup:


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Re: flowing chill out music? [Re: blaze2]
    #3764702 - 02/10/05 11:40 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

You can shove your absolutist opinions up your kiester. I have never made a statement like you just made in my life. Sure there are some genres of music that I don't particularly care for but to say that it is all bad is totally nonsensical.
Electronic music can be just as complex as analog musical pieces. Some of the melodies, rythymns, and layering of electronic music are considered absolute masterpieces by me.
Seriously, are you trying to start a flame war here, because I am willing to burn one ignorant sucker right here and now.


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Re: flowing chill out music? [Re: InnerBeing]
    #3764706 - 02/10/05 11:41 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

While you are waiting why don't you kiss the ring.


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Re: flowing chill out music? [Re: InnerBeing]
    #3764928 - 02/11/05 12:38 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

aww give him a break, i know some of the stuff he said was pretty ignorant but this is a psychedelic community :heart:

i used to think electronic music sucked too but that was only because i never heard any good electronic stuff til i came here. now i can't get enough of it, but still everyone has to admit there is some really bad electronic stuff out there but there's also brilliant masterpieces. i still cannot stand 120 bpm (or similar) electronic music (thump.. thump.. thump.. thump..) << this would be a perfect place for a suicide emoticon .


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Re: flowing chill out music? [Re: blaze2]
    #3765132 - 02/11/05 01:26 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

its ok to thing electronic music suck even you didnt listen some real stuff.
its a huge world,and looks like you take the dancefloor charts from mtv as base.
even some stuff from that mind fucker is good.
anyways,
it is music,it is not fake!
all of the albums you listen produced by mixers etc also.
are they also fake?
its so weird to discuss about that,
ofcourse it is real and ofcourse its so fucking great!

electronic music forever,
ehehe

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Re: flowing chill out music? [Re: blaze2]
    #3765245 - 02/11/05 02:01 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Its not music unless it comes out of an instrument. synthesizers do not make music they imitate it. Its like picking velveeta over a block of cheddar.

wow

so what you're saying is that certain instruments are 'better' or 'realer' than others (specifically, the less electronics involved, the better), and therefore the music created on these instruments is 'better' or 'worse', or 'realer' or 'less real', depending?? wtf?

how about electric guitars? how about all those songs you like listening to which feature electric keyboards, although you can't tel the difference? how about using microphones or amplification? is a handmade guitar intrinsically 'better' than one made in a factory?

by the way, synthesizers are instruments, by just about any definition of the word you care for.

seriously, why the un-thought out emotional reaction against synths? did your girlfriend leave you for a moog?


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Re: flowing chill out music? [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3765969 - 02/11/05 09:17 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

who prefers a key board imitating a piano to the sound of an actual Grand Piano? No one. and you CAN tell the difference, at least i can.

amplification is not sythesizing you are still getting actual sounds produced organicly and just making them louder. Same thing with electric guitars, its an organic sound picked up by magnets in the pickups. any effects are just twisting that sound.

So i say again why in the fuck would want to listen to something imitate something else, when you can have the real thing. A SYNTH IS NOT A MUSICAL INSTRUMENT. Its a musical imitator. AND its missing so much that a real instrument has. There are subtle harmonics and the like that solid state technology CANNOT make. Its the same reason that line6 amps(solid state) sound like shit when you put them next to a 30 year old fender or marshall(tube).

Like you said "I'm sure they put just as much effort and learning into using synths and other programs and people who use a guitar or drums do." why would you choose to spend that much time learning to play something that will by definition never sound as good as the real thing?

Its fucking electronic for gods sake. would you call a sythesized voice from a computer "human" NO. Its the same thing. Its sound, adn im not saying you cant like it, all im saying is that its not music. Music is made organicly not electronicly.

Peace

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Re: flowing chill out music? [Re: blaze2]
    #3766406 - 02/11/05 11:40 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Wrong and ignorant.

Just because it's not created by guitars or drums or other traditional instruments does not mean that it isn't. Just because it is electronic or artificial music doesn't mean it's not music.

Your logic makes little to no sense. If some tribesman can pound on a drum, and it counts as music, then the complex sets put together by artists who make electornic music definitely is music.

So do people who use photoshop and other computerized means to create illustrations not count as artists?


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Re: flowing chill out music? [Re: Redstorm]
    #3766789 - 02/11/05 01:27 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I say again do you think that a computerized voice is real? or human? NO the fact that it is a voice and speaks like a human doesnt make it any more real. Just because you can play something that sounds like a drum and arrange the sounds like its a drum does not make it a drum. Music is real, synths are not.


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"peace is not maintained through force it is acheived through intelligence." Albert Einstein

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"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical." --Thomas Jefferson


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Re: flowing chill out music? [Re: Redstorm]
    #3766941 - 02/11/05 02:12 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

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Redstorm said:
Wrong and ignorant.

Just because it's not created by guitars or drums or other traditional instruments does not mean that it isn't. Just because it is electronic or artificial music doesn't mean it's not music.

Your logic makes little to no sense. If some tribesman can pound on a drum, and it counts as music, then the complex sets put together by artists who make electornic music definitely is music.

So do people who use photoshop and other computerized means to create illustrations not count as artists?




dude,I so agree with you!

anyway If you want some real chill out music,check out Dj shadow and DJ krush...sorta jazzy some of the songs..I love it!


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