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Booooom said:
But the bag I got in the mail said it was Incense, and not for human consumption...

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bi0 said:
I've been saying this for awhile now - get a few cuttings
and get the underground ready.

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Psiloman said:
should WE (as a community) act to put this item out of sale before goverment does it?

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Yeah, that's exactly what we're saying.

Keep up the good work and fight the good fight 

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Psiloman said:
Ummmm

So guys,let me get that straight :

Are you proposing that we should do nothing about it and the viable solution is to "yo,keepin it real in the underground"? Do you REALLY want to transfer salvia trade or Trichocereus trade to the arms of fucking dealers ('cause there is where it is going to end up if we vouch for "undergggggggggggggggggggground maaaaaaaaan!"")

Is this apathy we are seeing here?

Hell,no ,we should cause trouble to people selling those skins...Dont forget: Contrary to your goverment they cannnot and should not control our lives to a big extent nor they are "unreachable by mortal folks".A barrage of emails,maybe some well worder threats could make them rethink their stance.

That is of course if you care about san pedro and all of the ethnobotanicals ,or if you choose to leave your fate in the "underground" or on some dealers who will decide for prices,decide for product quality,decide for availability and so on and so forth....

Come on,i expected more "rebelion" from a forum that is supposed to chellenge thought and given laws (isnt that one ofthe action of psychedelics? Arent they thought provoking?)

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Cactus with mescaline are illegal in any form if they are being bought, sold, or possesed for the intent of consumption.

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el_duderino said:
just curious.. SAn Pedro legal, Peyote -?? Is it legal or illegal? Hehe another thing i find funny is that the chemical itself is illegal to posess. Wouldnt posessing cacti that possess mescaline then also be illegal?

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You did not bring Magic mushrooms to the awarness of interested minds in the modern world.

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No, R. Gordon Wasson, Richard Schultes, Blas Pablo Reko, Albert Hofmann and Roger Heim did and then that was followed by Timothy Leary, Andrew Weil, Steven Pollock and Jonathan Ott in their writings of the shrooms in the early 1970s, and then it was Andrew Weil, who, through his writings for the Harvard Crimson, alerted the board of regents at harvard to become aware of Leary's drug activities, eventually leading to the firing of Leary and Richard Alpert from Harvard for their failure to attend their classes and for failing to stop giving drugs to undergraduate students.

Leonard Enos wrote the first major pamphlet (1000 Copies) in the early 1970s for identifying psilocybe species in the PNW of the USA, using information taken from Rolf Singer and Alexander H. Smith's short psilocybe monograph published in Mycologia vol 50 in 1958. Enos 1973 book sold one thousand copies in the PNW in the early 1970s.

My first edition of magic mushrooms (2,000 books) sold out in less than months in 1976 and was distributed by Homestead Book Co. And it was my spores and those fo bob harris which made Homestead the longest seller of spores in High Times wiht a full page ad. They are still selling spores.

And then the 2nd edition of MMOTPNW sold ten thousand copies by the fall of 1978.

Then published the Safe-Pik shroom id Poster seen in the image here with me and R. Gordon Wason In San Francisco in 1978:

After the poster (1,000 copies), Cards (1,000 sets) and the book (3,000 copies sold)

And as I noted my nagic Mushrooms of the PNW is still in print and selling well.

In fact It has sold mroe than 100,000 copies in less than 29 years. It has out sold more copies than Paul's Psilocybe mushrooms and their Allies (20,000 copies), and his Psilocybine Mushrooms of the World (10,000 copies) of his first printing and first editions are still for a sale at amazon and have not sold out the first printing run yet.

As for PF, Billy is a friend of mine and just gave me exclusive rights to post his PF tek in my Mushroom Cultivation History CD-ROM. Of course his methords were all improvements of:
Kneebone, L. R. 1960. Methods for Production of Certain Hallucinogenic Agarics. Abstracts Dev. Ind. Micro. Vol. 1: 109.
Kneebones paper on agaricus cultivation was incorporated into the PF tek and PF created spore syringes which were already in use for years by commercial shroom growers. PF also expounded on the cultivation works of Steven H. Pollock's cultivation methods and those of Jeremy Bigwood and Jonathan Ott who in their 1978 book published an artickle with step-by-step photos of simple cultivation using a syringe. This appeared in the book, "Teonan?catl; hHllucinogenic Mushrooms of North America (The proceedings of the Hallucinogens and Shamanism in Native American Life Conference)".



Who published the method before PF published the spore syringe method in his tek which became the signiture of the PF tek.

Here is a picture from that publication"e


And I have known PF since the mid 1970s. He visited my home on a few ocassions.

And I also have been one who has provided more than a million spore prints to the worldwide-spore market during the last 30 years.

Paul Stamets once introduced me at a conference as the man who picked more mushrooms than anyone he has ever known.

I have always, all of my shrooming life, always talked openly everywhere about the mushrooms and other drugts. and sometimes people get paranoid of the way i talk about openly about such things. Well this is me and who I am and I have been that way and am not about to change. What I do has never gotten anyone in trouble and other peoples paranoia is not my paranoia. I have none. I am not ashamed of what i do or what i say And I would die for my right to do what I do. I believe in myself and I will stick up for those rights unitl i am dead and gone.

If something makes you feel good, hiding it is very hypocritical to a point.

Caution is fine, but no pearanoia for something that makes me feel good and shrooms are something I have enjoyed doing all of my life and being myself is me.

This cacti thing is for real. They are looking at many plant substances right now. AS you knon, every year someone creates a new drug or every decade a new drug becomes popular.

Salvia is slowly be made illegtal in many states.

Adn while most police do not know what cacti may look like. That does not mean they won't bust you for them.

mj
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provided more than a million spore prints to the worldwide-spore market during the last 30 years.

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I think barely 1 in 100 who read that realized what this means to the movement. Perhaps you yourself don't even fully realize it.
Bless you

About the cacti, you're absolutely right.

You are legally allowed to own and walk a dog. The moment that dog dies it becomes a cadaver, legally. You are not allowed to drag a cadaver through the streets.
Legally it is not a dog anymore when it has died.

You might get away with growing beautiful poppies. The moment the poppyheads are harvested and put in a vase they become a substance containing morphine. That is contraversial but if you harvest Opium you are definately and to all courts crossing the line.

A cactus is a cactus. But if you dry it and crumble it up you have got "a substance containing mescaline".


Damn, people A San Pedro grows easily from seed. It doubles in mass every year. You can get away with neglecting it for MONTHS and it will probably be OK. In a few years every trip you make can be a kosher dose of this fine entheogen, grown in your livingroom.
How hard can it be?

But then again this is the Garden Forum, so I'm preaching to the choir

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You are legally allowed to own and walk a dog. The moment that dog dies it becomes a cadaver, legally. You are not allowed to drag a cadaver through the streets.

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I don't believe any cacti should be illegal. Nor do I believe many other plants and fungi should be.

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Since it is legal, there's no reason, except the FDA liability (in the US, anyhow - probably similar laws with equivalent agencies worldwide), for vendors not to suggest human consumption.

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Anyhow, a dire, disgusting update: there are rumors that "research chemicals" suppliers are about to make 7-hydroxymitragynine commercially available. This would be the first MOR agonist easily available since the Analogue Law, and a rather potent one at that (several times the potency of morphine, with far better oral bioavailability). Whereas the DEA Microgram mentioned kratom almost favorably, this will surely rapidly lead to Mitragyna speciosa and its alkaloids being outlawed.

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Psilostylin said:
it's only a matter of time before all sacred ethnogens are a jailed memory. and yes it is the childish and the greedy that are paving this road. the pimping of these substances needs to be significantly reduced. do you really need a video to show you how to light a bowl?  and what makes you think you respond the same as the morons in these videos? what i saw when i watched these videos was a very disrespectful marketing technique.... "this stuff really does Fuck you up! lokk how crazy it is!! whoa!" this is flat out disgusting. people are using these sacred treasures with the mentality of a cocaine junky. research and take a look at how the native americans used these substances. there is a great difference. if you can't comprehend this difference, you have no buisness even considering using such substances. take peyote for example, the natives considered this to be the most magnificent of all the world's gifts. they regarded the buttons of the peyote cactus as 'The Flesh of God.' they held these tiny cactus buttons with the same respect a catholic would the Eucarist (sp.?). that is a massive difference to a young white boy looking to get stoned on a saturday night. i have always shook my head at the filthy representation of these beautiful substances... wheter it be mimosa hostilis, psilocybin mushrooms, san pedro cactus and even marijuana. if you really have an interest in using san pedro cactus, read some books. do some research as to how it should be used to better you're life, not as a means to escape it. the beauty of the san pedro cactus needs to stop being raped by the ignorent, the childish, and the greedy. it was not put here for this reason. if you can't even make the sacrafice of offering your time in a proper preparation and need a quick form of "fuck me up" then you are in no way mature enough to experience such greatness. you will gain no enlightenment from your Creator if you endanger one of the greatest gifts He has ever bestowed upon you. cut out the bratty behavior and check the situation... if you keep up the abuse then this gift will no longer be.

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Even here at a place of supposedly open mindedness we have people insisting that everyone have the same views and spiritual beliefs.