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 Gumby
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 Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus(pics, 8/16/01)  [Re: lucid_dreamer]
#374113 - 08/18/01 11:48 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yep, cow pastures too.
Peace,
-Gumby
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GGreatOne234
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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus(pics, 8/16/01) [Re: Gumby]
#374214 - 08/18/01 05:36 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Gumby i use a sony digital Mavica cam. I get about 20 pics on each 3.5" floppy disk.
As for these Pan subbs..
I believe that the subbs that have the darker rings and thicker stronger stems are the more potent of the bunch.
Also, Panaeolus subbalteatus is equal to Panaelus venenosus..probably only by microscope comparison of the spores.
I also suspect that subbs are definately much more prominently found in horse pastures. -As I have only found around a dozen of them in cow pastures here in florida. I'll have to maybe check on a few horse pastures sometime to prove this theory. But yes I have found subbs growing directly from cow manure..sometimes even growing on the same chunk of manure as the cubensis and copelandia mushrooms.
On top of that, neither Panaeolus subbalteatus or Panaeolus castaneifolius have never to my knowledge been recorded to grow in florida or Georgia. and here we are finding them..
As for the Pan casters.. The stems of those shrooms are much different from the stems of subbs. Castaneifolius stems tend to be a pretty tawny yellow near the gills, and fading into the traditional pan subb color stem near the base of their stems.
And although I have found the suspected "pan casters" growing in cow pastures, they were not growing directly from cow manure, they were found in tall pasture grass, obviously the soil underneath the grass and mushrooms must have been nutrient rich in cow manure..but they do not unless rarely grow directly from manure.
Also, it was during the month of March last year that I was finding the pan casters in well maintained residential lawns with sprinkler systems. And more likely than not, the lawns were treated with some type of manure mixture underneath the sod before it was laid down.
I would say that more than 50% of the casters showed bluing at the base of the stems. Opposed to the subbs rarely showing bluing.
Also after a few bioassays of the castaneifolius', i found them to be nearly equal to that of the Copelandia mushrooms, with the dosage being around 12 fresh casters for a trip.
As for Pan olivaceus.. That species is actually symonius with Pan castaneifolius.. and these two species most likely can only be told apart by microscopic comparison of the spores.
Now, on top of that, Panaeolus castaneifolius is not only equal to Pan olivaceus, but also has a shorter name Panaeolus castaneifolia, this is said to be its true name.
And then to add to the confusion.. Panaeolus castaneifolia is also grouped closely to Panaeolina castaneifolia.. so, where does that put us...
Oh, and after mjshromer took a look at the pictures of what i thought were castaneifolius, he proposed that the mushrooms in question could possibly be Copelandia chlorocystis (a shroom recorded to grow in the state of florida but i have no pictures or information describeing it), equal to Panaeolus chlorosystis.. I seem to think that since it has been first put into the catagory of Copelandia that the casters i find could not be that, because copelandia mushrooms all seem to bruise blue throughout the entire mushroom (cap and stems) when, the castaneifolius will only blue at the base of the stem. And also because Copelandia species have no brown in the stems (to my knowledge at least), and the castaneifoilus' have the signiture reddish/brown color near the base of their stems.
Now, digging in further, the prints that I took of my suspected pan casters (of which i found over 200 specimens of these during the month of March), the prints of them turned out to be Black. So if Panaeolus castaneifoilus is symonius with "Paneolina castaneifolia", then we have a problem, because Paneolina mushrooms render a dark black/Purple spore deposit..
I mailed four (4) of the Pan caster prints in question to the spore provider SporeWorks, this was several months ago and i have heard no news of their whereabout or progress. I guess things didnt PAN out for their company SO, If anyone else would be willing to take a stab at growing them, or even inspecting the spores under a microscope for me, i would be more than welcome to send you a print.
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World Spirit
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Registered: 07/27/01
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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus(pics, 8/16/01) [Re: GGreatOne234]
#374283 - 08/18/01 09:22 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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GGreatOne234
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Registered: 12/23/99
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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus(pics, 8/16/01) [Re: World Spirit]
#374337 - 08/18/01 11:44 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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heheheh i wasnt speaking in hostility towards SporeWorks or Workman no way
it seems to pass my mind so often thinking about how those pan casters would do with cultivateing them.. cause if people can grow those as good as they can copelandia's..im sure that they would be a hit.
Casters taste like fine table mushrooms..and theyre the smoothest trips ive experienced.
if you want to see some pics of them heres a link;
http://hometown.aol.com/ggreatone234/page1.html
ShroomOn,
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 rungi
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Registered: 07/11/01
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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus(pics, 8/16/01) [Re: GGreatOne234]
#375926 - 08/21/01 09:29 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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smallone234,
The reason castaneifolius is put into the Panaeolina genus by some mycologist is not because of the color of the sproes, but the shape or the spores, both foenisecii and castaneifolius have warted spores and grow in grass. Check your spore print under a microscope. All other Panaeolus mushrooms have smoothe spores.
forestfloating13
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Anno
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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus(pics, 8/16/01) [Re: GGreatOne234]
#376124 - 08/22/01 03:02 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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>If anyone else would be willing to take a stab at growing
>them, or even inspecting the spores under a microscope for
>me, i would be more than welcome to send you a print.
I would be very glad to put my hands on them, sure.
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