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OfflineLizard King
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Panaeolus subbalteatus(pics, 8/16/01)
    #373065 - 08/16/01 09:59 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Went out to the subb field to do some picking again and figured I'd take some pics this time. So here they are......









This shows a bit of light bluing in the stem. I didn;t mess with the color, but I darkened the pic a bit because it was too bright to make out the blue(it was sunny as hell out today, hard to take pics)


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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus(pics, 8/16/01) [Re: Lizard King]
    #373079 - 08/16/01 10:32 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Are those there mushrooms active? Because pan. subbs are supposed to grow in ontario, according to what erowid says.

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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus(pics, 8/16/01) [Re: TheMagicalMushi]
    #373083 - 08/16/01 10:40 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Yep, they are acive, although they vary from being weakly to moderately active(weak during hot months, moderate during cool weather) I'm sure you can find a few in Ontario, just check out rotted hay bails and horse fields, your bound to stumble across a few, they are really common mushrooms, often called the "weed mushroom" its so common.



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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus(pics, 8/16/01) [Re: Lizard King]
    #373112 - 08/16/01 11:38 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

hmm, you sure those are subbs? yes they are panaeolus, but they look a bit different, like one of the other psychoactive pans.

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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus(pics, 8/16/01) [Re: Mitchnast]
    #373180 - 08/17/01 01:28 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus(pics, 8/16/01) [Re: World Spirit]
    #373194 - 08/17/01 02:04 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

thanks for clearing that up. now ill clear some stuff up for you mr stranger.

there are many speceis of penaeolus that are microspopically similar to one another. i make mistakes all the time between different types of psychoactive paneolus simply because they look so similar. and each type varies in appearance. now ive been picking this speceis longer then LK and longer than you. that doesnt mean much but you have a big oppinion for a newbie who just read a book has well-known errors reguarding identifying Paneolus speceis anyway.

nobody HAS to look into it, im just saying that those mushrooms look ambiguous. oh yes. and stamets made a few mistakes in that book you used as a reference :)


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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus(pics, 8/16/01) [Re: Lizard King]
    #373201 - 08/17/01 02:19 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah LK.. what kind of camera is that? you can get some NICE upclose pics.. I'm lookin to buy a new camera.. the one you're using produces some really nice photos

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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus(pics, 8/16/01) [Re: Mitchnast]
    #373205 - 08/17/01 02:23 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Mitch speaks the truth, Pans are quite difficult to tell apart, they really are. I still have problems, as I'm sure mitch does, correctly IDing Pans. I used to have problems telling apart the active and inactive Pans in the field, not that I made mistakes in what I picked, but I sure did bend down to pick alot more mushrooms that weren't subbs. Now I can tell with a glance if its worth my time picking.

But I do think these are subbs, or atleast most of them are. I do always find a few that look like castaneifolius and other active pan species. My guess would be that the pics above are all subbs except the third pic, which looks live it may be that "olivaceaous"sp?.


Thanks for the kind words, enter :) And don't let mitch scare you off, he just gets a bit touchy when you step on his toes. My secret you ask, well its like any other hunting, 50% of its skill, and 50% of its pure dumb luck :) Lets just say that I've put my share of mushroom hunting hours in to find what I do, and take the pics I take.

Edited by Lizard King on 08/16/01 06:30 PM.



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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus(pics, 8/16/01) [Re: Mitchnast]
    #373206 - 08/17/01 02:33 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus(pics, 8/16/01) [Re: Lizard King]
    #373240 - 08/17/01 03:32 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

where the incurved margin? they dont even seem to have them as youngsters. :)
im not touchy damnit! ILL CUT YOU BITCH :)

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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus(pics, 8/16/01) [Re: Mitchnast]
    #373284 - 08/17/01 04:51 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Heres what they look like with a little rain, when they aren't so dried and sun faded. They look like subbs to me....














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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus(pics, 8/16/01) [Re: Lizard King]
    #373300 - 08/17/01 05:06 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

JEBUS! Thats a ton of shrooms... all very nice sizes too :)

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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus(pics, 8/16/01) [Re: Lizard King]
    #373308 - 08/17/01 05:33 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

ok, i take it back :) if thats the same patch then its just a bit of variation on subsequent flushes, i too experience this. :) part of the reason why these bastards are so duficult to ID positively from one another.
i wish i had my DIGI back when i was getting flushes like that :)

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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus(pics, 8/16/01) [Re: Mitchnast]
    #373389 - 08/17/01 07:52 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

I know what you mean mitch. I was getting huge weilii harvests last year before I got my digi, then when I did, things started to slow down. Yes this is the same patch, but the later pics are from earlier this year during prime conditions. I still do suspect that I come across a few of the other Pans from time to time, some are just different looking, could be variation I supose.



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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus(pics, 8/16/01) [Re: Lizard King]
    #373424 - 08/17/01 08:43 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

in that noble tome "mushrooms demystified", Arora mentions that subbalteatus is a "species complex", meaning a fair number of very closely related species centering around the concept of "panaeolus subbalteatus"...if you buy that, then youve probably got 4 or 5 closely related, yet unnamed species in the above pics...of course Stamets goes the other way & states that such minor differences should not delineate different species, but are due mainly to general enviroment & slight differences in substrate composition...if you buy that, then the above pics & other shrooms you mentioned are all pan subbalteatus...the splitters vs. the lumpers, your choice



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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus(pics, 8/16/01) [Re: Mitchnast]
    #373631 - 08/17/01 07:10 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

How old are you, Mitch? Also, how long have you been picking? I'm just wondering.
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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus(pics, 8/16/01) [Re: Levi7]
    #373720 - 08/17/01 10:35 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

you already asked me that levi7.

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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus(pics, 8/16/01) [Re: Mitchnast]
    #373904 - 08/18/01 07:56 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

I must have forgot, Mitch. It seems you have been picking for quite awhile. Being able to distinguish between many Panaeolii is a gift. Alot of them look the same to me.
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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus(pics, 8/16/01) [Re: Lizard King]
    #373923 - 08/18/01 08:55 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Erm.. while we're on the topic of digital camers(sortta)... What kind of digital camera do you have LK and GG? Those are some VERY nice quality pictures. I'm looking to get a new digital camera, any sugestions? Also.. if you know them, what are the specs on your camera, such as megapixles, max resolution, zoom, and storage type(floppy/memorycard/cd)?

Peace out,
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Oh yeah.. LK check you PMs :)

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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus(pics, 8/16/01) [Re: Gumby]
    #373981 - 08/18/01 01:04 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Can panaeolus subbalteatus grow in cow pastures with a lot of hay, or are they mostly in horse pastures?

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